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 Montreal_Guy

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Posted: 6/1/2008 5:07:03 AM
We have two recent developments inside the Beltway that seemingly have vanished from the media radar screen as any type of valid story.

The first, one discussed here before, was the story of Pentagon involvement in the military analyst program.


Even with countless media outlets available these days, a Sunday New York Times cover story could always be counted on to send a jolt through the television news cycle.

But apparently that’s no longer the case. Indeed, reporter David Barstow’s 7,600-word investigation of the Pentagon’s military analyst program — whereby ex-military talking heads, often with direct ties to contractors, parroted Defense Department talking points on the air — has been noticeably absent from television airwaves since the story broke on April 20.

On Tuesday, Reps. Rosa DeLauro (D-Conn.) and John Dingell (D-Mich.) sent a letter to Federal Communications Commission Chairman Kevin J. Martin “urging an investigation of the Pentagon’s propaganda program” to determine if the networks or analysts violated federal law.

FCC Commissioner Michael J. Copps, a Democrat, applauded their efforts. “President Eisenhower warned against the excesses of a military-industrial complex,” Copps said in a statement. “I’d like to think that hasn’t morphed into a military-industrial-media complex, but reports of spinning the news through a program of favored insiders don’t inspire a lot of confidence.”

DeLauro said by phone that the Pentagon’s program was “created in order to give military analysts access in exchange for positive coverage of the Iraq war.”

The FCC request follows DeLauro’s April 24 letters to five of the most powerful network executives: NBC News President Steve Capus, ABC News President David Westin, CBS News President Sean McManus, FOX News chief executive Roger Ailes and CNN News Group President Jim Walton.

Only ABC and CNN have responded so far, according to DeLauro, who is not the only member of Congress calling attention to the Times story.

Both Sens. John Kerry (D-Mass.) and Russ Feingold (D-Wis.) have written to the Government Accountability Office, seeking an investigation into whether the Pentagon aided in connecting military analysts with contractors.

“I decided to push this issue hard because ever since The New York Times exposé appeared, the silence has been deafening,” Kerry said in statement to Politico.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0508/10204.html


The second one is the recent testimony of Deputy Inspector General for Audit
Department of Defense , Mary L. Ugone's May 22, 2008 testimony before the
Committee on Oversight and Government Reform ,United States House of Representatives .


The inspector general for the Defense Department said yesterday that the Pentagon cannot account for almost $15 billion worth of goods and services ranging from trucks, bottled water and mattresses to rocket-propelled grenades and machine guns that were bought from contractors in the Iraq reconstruction effort.

The Pentagon did not have the proper documentation, including receipts, vouchers, signatures, invoices or other paperwork, for $7.8 billion that American and Iraqi contractors were paid for phones, folders, paint, blankets, Nissan trucks, laundry services and other items, according to a 69-page audit released to the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform.

An earlier audit by the inspector general found deficiencies in accounting for $5.2 billion of U.S. payments to buy weapons, trucks, generators and other equipment for Iraq's security forces. In addition, the Defense Department spent $1.8 billion of seized Iraqi assets with "absolutely no accountability," according to Rep. Henry A. Waxman (D-Calif.), who chairs the oversight committee. The Pentagon also kept poor records on $135 million that it paid to its partners in the multinational military force in Iraq, auditors said.

The Army disagreed with some of the auditors' findings, saying that it is difficult to maintain an adequate paper trail in a war zone and that it has improved its record-keeping and accountability efforts. Robert L. Wilkie, assistant secretary of defense for legislative affairs, declined an invitation to testify before from Waxman's committee.

Of the $7.8 billion in payments detailed in the audit released yesterday, about $1.4 billion did not meet the most minimal requirements for documentation, making it highly possible that waste, fraud or abuse had occurred, according to auditors. In one case, there is a copy of a $5.6 million check from the U.S. Treasury paid to an Iraqi contractor but no documents saying what was purchased. In another, a South Carolina contractor was paid $11 million, according to a voucher, but auditors said they could not tell what goods or services were received.

"Without a receiving report and invoice, we don't know what we paid for," said Mary Ugone, the Defense Department's deputy inspector general for auditing. She said internal controls and paper trails were inadequate and that the Army's "finance personnel were not adequately trained" in overseeing the billions of dollars paid.

Auditors referred more than two dozen vouchers, totaling $35 million, to criminal investigators at the Pentagon.

Waxman said the poorly documented expenditures of seized Iraqi assets included a $320 million cash payment for employing 1,000 people that was handed over to the Iraqi Finance Ministry with "little more than a signature in exchange."

"Investigators looked at 53 payment vouchers and couldn't find even one that adequately explained where the money went," Waxman said.

The money paid to military coalition partners, including Britain, Poland and South Korea, was intended to help local reconstruction and humanitarian projects. Auditors said that none of the files reviewed "contained sufficient supporting documentation to provide reasonable assurance that these funds were used for their intended purpose." In one case, the Defense Department made an $8 million payment to Polish forces with minimal documentation, according to the audit.

An audit report issued in November found that $5.2 billion of U.S. payments to buy weapons, trucks, generators and other equipment to support Iraqi security forces had major deficiencies in how items were accounted for, saying that the Defense Department did not know "what equipment is due in, due out, issued and on hand." The inspector general found that the Defense Department could not account for 12,712 of 13,508 weapons, including assault rifles, machine guns and grenade launchers for Iraqi forces.

"When we turned them over to the Iraqis, they weren't properly accounted for," said Gary Comerford, a spokesman for the Defense Department's inspector general, saying serial numbers were not consistently recorded. "The paper trail is not complete."

The November audit also described how the Pentagon paid $32 million for the construction of an Iraqi military facility in Anbar province that was never built. Defense Department officials told staff members of the oversight committee that "this is embarrassing" because "not a spade of dirt was turned."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/
05/22/AR2008052203751_pf.html


Now these are rather stunning facts, and the numbers are astronomical.

Loss of control over weapons, a base invoiced and paid for - but never built ?

Payments for things that you have no proof of ?

15 BILLION dollars spent, with nothing concrete and provable to show for it ?

Why aren't these stories out there on every newspaper and TV screen ?
 brahamella

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Posted: 6/1/2008 5:19:08 AM

Now these are rather stunning facts, and the numbers are astronomical.
Loss of control over weapons, a base invoiced and paid for - but never built ?
Payments for things that you have no proof of ?
15 BILLION dollars spent, with nothing concrete and provable to show for it ?
Why aren't these stories out there on every newspaper and TV screen ?


That is easy to answer. These stories aren't reported because frankly they have become common place. So billions are wasted in Iraq... $15 billion is actually a low number compared to what they were losing a few years ago.

Why does it go on? Because to correct the problems would stop the 'grease' from being applied to the proper officials. If everyone is on the take, who cares if the problem gets fixed. I am sure Congress will hold hearing and talk in public a few times about this issue, but the message and action sent will amount to a reprimand saying "cover your tracks better!" Solving the problem wont even enter into the equation.
 spearheadfish

Joined: 12/29/2007
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Posted: 6/1/2008 8:45:27 AM
finally something I agree with --the blackout of our business in our pentagon---wooohooooo oh yea good for us.You go pentagon and President Bush
 Not_a_FAT_Slob

Joined: 5/29/2006
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Posted: 6/1/2008 9:21:09 AM
I can understand people not caring about waste in government or the possibility that your money was stolen. We have that going on in Canada too at every level of government.

But anyone that cheers for that either is one of those benefitting from it and / or they pay a small amount (if they pay anything at all) of taxes.

 spearheadfish

Joined: 12/29/2007
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Posted: 6/1/2008 10:36:50 PM
did u ever get a chance to answer my question collingwood?How is what is happening with OUR pentagon affecting u directly or even as a canadian in general?
 gringo5555

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Posted: 6/1/2008 11:47:11 PM
Hey Montreal Guy..

Good topic for a post. But honestly are you really surprised and or shocked by this news? I think you are way too smart to be either. Let's face facts, the Pentagons' strong point is not exactly responisible accounting or financial management I would say. Their job really is fight wars/or do whatever the Executive orders them too, and accounting comes after that. They have a budget, which they probably really do not pay that much attention too. They need a mobile command center for troops in Iraq(a fancy trailer with a few computers)? It costs three million dollars on paper? By the time its up and running in Iraq,it ends up costing closer to six million for whatever reasons. No matter what government buys whatever or orders something to be built it always costs more then expected(remember the Montreal Olympic Stadium). This rule is doubly true for the military. Remember the Urban Legend of the 800 dollar hammer for the US Army?? I will leave you with an interesting tidbit of trivia here, when NASA was building moon rockets in the 60s and 70s they found it necessary to sidestep the entire method of procurement of the US government and open a line of credit with a local hardware store so that they could get qulaity goods at reasonable prices without having to fill out forms and and wait 2 months to get the necessary equipement.
 boredbroad2

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Posted: 6/2/2008 12:01:12 AM
Ummmm.......... We will have ........to look into that.........Thank you very much........


And the answer is.....................................................................................................
 Not_a_FAT_Slob

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Posted: 6/2/2008 7:32:15 AM

did u ever get a chance to answer my question collingwood?How is what is happening with OUR pentagon affecting u directly or even as a canadian in general?


Why are you not asking the OP that question ? He posts a lot of questions on here questioning your government. Why are you singling me out ?

Is it because I hit the nail on the head in my last post ?

I don't give a pass to anybody in my country who steals from me even if I voted for them. That is lunacy.
 LoonyTunz

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Posted: 6/2/2008 11:44:59 AM
Did a bunch of posts just go ***poof***?

Anyway, it is not a big leap to buy that the same government that gutted the judicial system to leave only core camp "Bushie's" employed would also seek out talking heads (the retired military people) that will co-operate and toe the party line. So much for the "conspiracy theorist" barbs. Try refuting the statement rather than the speaker .

The level of ignorance required to insist that hiding this from the very people you are supposed to represent is somehow a good thing astounds me. I certainly don't know anyone that would line up to be brainwashed or kept blissfully ignorant. But really if the majority feel that way then they deserve what they get, and you can be sure it won't be what they expect.
 Stella Blue

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Posted: 6/2/2008 11:56:06 AM
Yup- mine went poof. And the black out continues
 poshrat

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Posted: 6/2/2008 11:57:22 AM
Just a passing thought from an ex-Brit Canadian here.

This would seem like an ideal way of laundering drug monies now that banks have to report deposit amounts over 10,000$..I mean..a million here, a billion there, complete with an official Pentagon purchase order to back it up...what bank would question that?

Poshrat
 Internetdatingpariah

Joined: 10/17/2004
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Posted: 6/2/2008 12:26:00 PM
Wow...you think the Pentagon is behind these missing posts???
 Stella Blue

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Posted: 6/2/2008 12:54:06 PM

Wow...you think the Pentagon is behind these missing posts???


No, I do not think the Pentagon is behind it. But who is?
Just seems a bit weird.
 Internetdatingpariah

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Posted: 6/2/2008 1:00:38 PM
hmmmm....couldn't be the moderators could it?
They've been very...ummm....visible lately.
 poshrat

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Posted: 6/2/2008 7:49:46 PM
Perhaps they have to be mindful of the Homeland security, and Patriot acts..after all, questioning the spending of the present administration might fall under one of these as an "Un-American activity", resulting in visits from men in suits and blacked out limos?
 spearheadfish

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Posted: 6/2/2008 11:22:21 PM
oh I understand how u feel stevecollingwood.It isn't nice to make someone feel as though they have been singled out for something they said while all others go unnoticed.I hope I didn't make u feel as if I were trying to bash u.good day matey
 themadfiddler

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Posted: 6/3/2008 1:50:09 AM
Well unofficially I could probably point out the obvious that posts go *poof* when people go pretty flagrantly outside the PoF forum rules and a mod has to step in and delete them, either due to a report from a user, or when they happen to be passing through and see posters start invoking "Godwin's Law" at each other. Ordinarily at that point a thread has usually come to a screeching halt...but it's better to kill a few posts, let everyone go back to their corners and think about taking a deep breath and counting to five before hitting send and then conversing like adults again.

If you don't know what "Godwin's Law" is, Google it...if you don't know why it's relevant to this thread, try real hard and remember what the deleted posts were about.

I think that should clear it up. Happy chatting and please...party on, and be excellent to each other.
 nefarious101

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Posted: 6/3/2008 6:49:26 AM
http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/254/story/337557-p2.html

Banning military propaganda could be hard to do

WASHINGTON --Congressional Democrats want to ban Pentagon propaganda on the Iraq war, but they are likely to find that enforcement is easier said than done.

An existing legal prohibition, for example, didn't deter a Pentagon program aimed at influencing retired military officers frequently interviewed in the media. It also didn't prevent a culture within the Bush administration that former White House spokesman Scott McClellan claims favored propaganda over honesty in selling the war to the public.

And what is propaganda anyway? Nearly every press briefing involves a military or civilian official trying to influence the interpretation of events.

"At the end of the day, a lot of what the Defense Department is doing is trying to raise support for the military," said Ken Bacon, chief Pentagon spokesman during the Clinton administration.

Last month, the House passed legislation to prohibit the military from engaging in "any form of communication in support of national objectives designed to influence the opinions, emotions, attitudes or behavior of the people of the United States in order to benefit the sponsor, either directly or indirectly."

The bill reinforces a propaganda restriction already on the books, included in the Pentagon's more than half-trillion-dollar annual budget bill and long embraced as Pentagon policy. The law exempts any program specifically authorized by Congress, such as military recruiting, but is supposed to shut the door on spin.

"I think it would be difficult to implement," said Anthony Pratkanis, co-author of the book "Age of Propaganda: The Everyday Use and Abuse of Persuasion," of any law attempting to prohibit the military from promoting itself. Interpretations of what constitutes propaganda can vary, and U.S. efforts to influence a foreign enemy - which is allowed under the law - often seep into American airwaves anyway, he said.

"What we really need is a norm that respects the role of the military" as independent from the executive branch, said Pratkanis, a social psychology professor at the University of California at Santa Cruz. "It's more the responsibility of a president to sell his policies and not hide behind the military."

On April 20, The New York Times uncovered a six-year Pentagon program that cultivated several dozen military analysts to generate favorable news coverage on the war. These retired military generals were fed talking points, taken on trips to Guantanamo Bay prison and Iraq, given access to classified intelligence and briefed personally by senior defense officials, including then-Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, according to e-mails, transcripts and other records provided to the Times and eventually released by the Defense Department.

That the officers maintained extensive ties to the Pentagon after retirement wasn't surprising, as is custom among military's senior ranks. But the program seemed to unfairly reward these new media personalities and the defense companies that employed them as lobbyists with plum access to the department so long as the retired officers spoke in favor of the war.

Also alarming was that the Pentagon may have given the retirees false or overly optimistic information about progress in Iraq, even as violence was increasing. The program was particularly noteworthy because it relied heavily on active-duty military officials to provide the positive information.

In most cases, the retired officer-analysts were more than eager to hear good news on the war. In one April 2006 conference call, as sectarian violence was on an uptick, an unidentified military analyst asked then-Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Peter Pace what the officers could say on television that would convince Americans that the war wasn't going that badly.

"What can we say to the American public to say ... there are some things you can see that will make you feel better about what our military is doing and any progress we have made?" the analyst asked.

The Defense Department has shut down the program pending an internal review. Both the Defense Department inspector general's office and the Government Accountability Office are investigating whether the effort violated any rules, including if it gave some contractors a competitive advantage by employing the retired officers as lobbyists.

New Hampshire Democratic Rep. Paul Hodes, who co-sponsored the House bill with Reps. Rosa DeLauro, D-Conn., and Peter DeFazio, D-Ore., said the recent House legislation shouldn't affect the Pentagon's day-to-day operations, including factual updates on the war given to the media.

Rather, the legislation makes clear that Congress won't tolerate behind-the-scenes efforts by the Bush administration to manipulate public opinion, he said.

"I hope it inspires the Pentagon to tell the truth," Hodes said of the bill.

Not everyone on Capitol Hill agrees the military overstepped its bounds. Rep. Duncan Hunter, a tireless advocate of Bush's policies in Iraq, says the military was fairly trying to promote what it saw as the facts on the ground.

"The idea that we call the people who disagree with us propagandists" and those who agree "great seers and statesmen and philosophers doesn't make any sense," said Hunter, R-Calif., the top Republican on the House Armed Services Committee.

The House included the propaganda ban in its 2009 defense authorization bill. The Senate plans to debate its version of the defense bill this summer.
 trubblemakr

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Posted: 6/3/2008 7:38:17 AM
How is what is happening with OUR pentagon affecting u directly or even as a canadian in general?
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hers an answer for you spear.. because all of the yank criminal behaViour, seeing as we are an ally and a trading neighbor. reflects and makes us wonder if you are ripping us off as well as your perverted motivations for invading soverign nations
now either you are completely clueless , but, if you had a friend that was a neighbor, and she was a tramp and a thief, would you trust her around your husband? or you kids or your valuables? this is how it affects us and all the people that are forced allies of the criminal country!
creating fear and unrest is an act of terrorism and the united states is far more guiltyof this crime than any afghani or iraqui
for you to ask that ridiculous question is beneath you i think
we cant just move the united states below mexico and move mexico closer, as they seem more honest and trustworthy anyways .

did anyone actually believe the scumbags in control of the pentagon would adhere to any vague form of transparency?
every war they have, they siphon money away from the people that need it and give it to the rich puppetmasters
 Montreal_Guy

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Posted: 6/4/2008 5:26:26 PM
Well, let's hope the information in this article makes it to the mainstream, if nothing else.


THE NEARLY UNFATHOMABLE DEPTHS OF PENTAGON CORRUPTION, By Bob Chapman

A former high-ranking member of the CIA, now retired, who was a career employee, contacted us this week. Due to our reporting on Halliburton and their corruption we were given 46 pages of testimony on how Halliburton, the CIA, the Pentagon and Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld have been stealing billions of dollars. What we were presented will shortly be presented to Congressman Waxman's Oversight and Reform Committee in the House. These pages of step-by-step criminal procedure are only part of a larger body of evidence being presented to Congress. What is presented is astounding in the scope of the crime and the billions of dollars being stolen by these criminals.

http://carolynbaker.net/static/index.html


This is one whistleblower that I hope gets some serious attention.


I collected intelligence in Iraq and Afghanistan for the CIA until Aug. 2004 when I was outed by Cheney for refusing to make propaganda that Iran was developing nuclear weapons. My official title within the CIA was Special Operations Advisor to the Director of Central Intelligence. Since I set up the Remote Viewing Defense protocols for the Pentagon, I was given a title of Remote Viewing Advisor to the Joint Chiefs of Staff and a rank of a 2-star general in the US military. That rank was largely a bogus ploy by the Pentagon to get more of my time from the CIA and force me to attend a Joint Chiefs of Staff Meeting once a month. I did so from Oct. 2003 to July 2004.

On orders of my boss, DCI George Tenet, on Aug. 2001 I collected a moving van full of Pentagon documents showing Defense Contractor kickbacks to Pentagon officials. I removed them from the Pentagon and they were driven to the CIA. It took me about 10 days of time to get the Pentagon people to turn those documents over to me en masse. The ethical intelligence methods I used to do so are beyond the scope of this text. Alas, the CIA's intention turned out not to be to expose and correct the corruption, but to cover it up---as judged by later events.

- Ibid
 Kiss_My_Karma~

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Posted: 6/4/2008 7:29:32 PM
I emailed Dan Abrams with this. Look for me on viewer mail. :)

I seriously hope this pushes through any plans to bring the administration to task for this. And I hope they take the pocketed money back. Ha ha, right?
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