| The PROTEIN Myth
Posted: 6/3/2008 10:25:54 AM | http://www.alternet.org/healthwellness/86942/?page=entire
http://www.webmd.com/content/pages/1/3080_365.htm
( The oversight in the first article is categorizing all meat/dairy as the same, but it is well-known that perversely grain/oil-fed meat/dairy is bad, and naturally grass-fed meat/dairy is healthful and even therapeutic. Meat and fat from wild marine mammals (impractical) and grass-fed caribou are wonderful. Google "Inuit Paradox")
It looks more and more like the American obsession with protein is, at root, a very old and very sinister by the BigFarma to promote their crappy, industrial beef.
The medical profession, any time it's talking about "more protein", can be assumed to be fully compromised by beef industry, just like the medical profession is dominated by BigPharma's financial objectives.
Protein supplementation and required high protein consumption are 100% myths. | |
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Posted: 6/3/2008 10:42:32 AM | | Most people who eat high protein diets do so to build muscle. There was absolutely nothing in those articles to suggest you only require very little protein to build muscle. | |
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Posted: 6/3/2008 2:49:15 PM | "so to build muscle"
No.
See all ladies in here afraid to "lose muscle", to waste away, while dieting with no supplementary protein. Just another aspect of the protein myth. | |
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Posted: 6/3/2008 4:41:00 PM | Man I'd love to waste away 
The thing I find funniest about that particular statement, (because I felt this way once too) is that we keep thinking that meat is this high calorie food that is an enemy to losing weight. (By we I mean lots of dieting women who aren't as education about nutrition.) Lean meat is the greatest thing ever, it's as low calorie as lots of fruits, tons of protein, iron and other benefits and sure it costs a bit more.. but it's WORTH it to get your protein from natural sources. | |
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Posted: 6/3/2008 8:37:19 PM |
Most people who eat high protein diets do so to build muscle. There was absolutely nothing in those articles to suggest you only require very little protein to build muscle
You've got it all wrong. Protein DOES NOT build muscle. Protein is to help rebuild the muscles by repairing the torn cells. | |
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Posted: 6/3/2008 8:44:14 PM | | High protein diet is one of the reasons American is so sick. You only need small amounts of protein. Animal flesh ages you more than any other food. Too much protein is hard on the liver and kidneys. High protein diet is one of reasons diabetes is a major ilness in amerca. Don't believe me? Look at asian countries that consume small amounts of animal protein. If you want good protein consume Chlorella. | |
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Posted: 6/3/2008 9:21:37 PM | | The reason protein helps rebuild the muscles is because the muscle is made up of proteins. There's the major contractile proteins that make up the majority of each muscle fiber (actin and myosin), regulatory proteins found on the filamentous actin (troponin and tropomyosin), as well as numerous different structural/cytoskeletal proteins throughout (such as desmin, titan, cap z, etc.). Even the "cell wall" of the muscle fiber, known as the sarcolemma, is made up of lipids and---ding ding ding---protein. | |
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Posted: 6/3/2008 11:58:43 PM |
You've got it all wrong. Protein DOES NOT build muscle. Protein is to help rebuild the muscles by repairing the torn cells.
Do you even know what you just wrote? You just said protein does not build muscle and then went on to describe the very process by which protein actually builds muscle. | |
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Posted: 6/3/2008 11:59:59 PM |
"so to build muscle"
No.
See all ladies in here afraid to "lose muscle", to waste away, while dieting with no supplementary protein. Just another aspect of the protein myth.
Fine, but for men looking to build muscle there is no myth. You need a decent amount of protein in your diet, no two ways about it. | |
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Posted: 6/4/2008 12:56:35 AM | Look at asian countries that consume small amounts of animal protein.
What about them do you want me to look at? The fact that the men are very feminine in appearance, or that most of them are quite small and find it difficult to put on any significant amount of muscle without switching to a westernized diet(read: high protein)?
All you have to do is look at who is arguing for what, the people who say that protein isn't necessary are people who don't look like they work out, and if that is how they want to be then that is absolutely fine with me, but my goals in life dictate that I require a large amount of protein or my muscles will be sore for many days after weightlifting, sometimes sore enough that walking up or down stairs can be hazardous, but luckily I routinely eat a lot of protein so that doesn't happen often.
Yes I could live off of mung beans and wheat grass, but why would I want to when I get so much joy out of lifting heavy things and then eating dead cows afterwards?
And just as an aside, the only way protein consumption will affect the kidneys is if you have a prior kidney problem. | |
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Posted: 6/4/2008 2:22:12 AM | http://drbenkim.com/articles-healthykidneys.html
Who said I don't like to work out? Eating huge amounts of animal protein is hard on your kidneys healthy or not.
<div class="quote"> sometimes sore enough that walking up or down stairs can be hazardous, but luckily I routinely eat a lot of protein so that doesn't happen often.
I really hope you're kidding, I never heard such a thing. If you warm up properly you shouldn't be sore. How much of the protein you eat actually is digested and utilized? Chorella is over 60% protein and easily digested compared to meat. Someone who cries about being sore and afraid to get hurt gosh why do you even workout then?
Look at Bruce Lee he didn't eat much meat yet many body builders envyed him. So much for the protein myth :P | |
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Posted: 6/4/2008 4:21:51 AM |
"so to build muscle"
No.
See all ladies in here afraid to "lose muscle", to waste away, while dieting with no supplementary protein. Just another aspect of the protein myth.
I believe the women you speak of are also building muscle. Anyone who lifts weights will benefit from an anabolic diet. | |
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Posted: 6/4/2008 5:43:40 AM |
Look at Bruce Lee he didn't eat much meat yet many body builders envyed him
Your kidding right? You're implying that bodybuilders envied Bruce Lee for his muscle mass? I don't think so. | |
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Posted: 6/4/2008 6:22:38 AM | "Anyone who lifts weights will benefit from an anabolic diet."
yet another corollary to the Protein Myth. :) | |
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Posted: 6/4/2008 6:46:17 AM | | Don't be vague. Explain how to build muscle mass without protein, please. | |
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Posted: 6/4/2008 7:20:50 AM |
Your kidding right? You're implying that bodybuilders envied Bruce Lee for his muscle mass? I don't think so.
Exactly. Bruce Lee was envied by many people (including bodybuilders) for many things. His proportionate strength, his speed, his power, his athleticism and martial arts ability, his bodyfat percentage.
Doubt many competing bodybuilders were like "Holy crap, I need to get jacked like that guy!" | |
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Posted: 6/4/2008 7:46:32 AM | For what it's worth here is what my research has shown.
Your body only requires a certian amount of nutrients a day. Nutrients that are not used are either expelled or stored as fat. This is particularly the case with carbs and protien. The following is an excerpt from an article I read by Ron Brown (author of the Body Fat Guide).
**In order to build muscle and maintain a healthy lifestyle you only need to consume 10% to 15% of your total daily caloric intake in protien. Don't believe it? Consider this: Infancy is the time of a human's life when growth is the most rapid, and when protein needs are the highest. Yet, human breast milk contains only 10% protein by calories (versus about 30% for cow's milk). This is more than adequate to meet the needs of a growing human infant who doubles its weight in 6 months and triples its weight in a year. You aren't going to grow new lean tissue nearly as fast, (0.5-2.5 pounds a week) so forget about stuffing yourself with protein...just eat a balanced diet and lifting intesity is key.**
It all goes back to balanced diet and exercise. Power lifting is essential for strength training but intensity is essential for building muscle mass. | |
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Posted: 6/4/2008 8:03:16 AM | "build muscle mass without protein"
Where did I say NO protein?
I said protein supplementation while dieting is not required.
Americans very probably piss away more protein (0ut the kidneys) everyday from excessive protein intake, without supplementation, than they incorporate into their bodies.
Anybody have ANY studies that show Americans suffer from the protein deficiency, starvation eating the (unsupplemented) Standard American Diet? | |
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Posted: 6/4/2008 8:04:41 AM | "You need a decent amount of protein in your diet,"
I never said anything to the contrary. I'm saying protein supplementation is "indecent", and even protein in S.A.D is indecently high. | |
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Posted: 6/4/2008 8:27:35 AM | | I somewhat agree with the Op, I take no supplements and don't really eat a High protein diet am fairly muscular and maintain it without eating the "Required"amount of protein... | |
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Posted: 6/4/2008 8:32:42 AM |
"build muscle mass without protein"
Where did I say NO protein?
I said protein supplementation while dieting is not required.
You didn't say anything about dieting whatsoever, you said conclusively that requiring a high level of protein is a myth, and that's bollocks for anybody trying to build muscle. You didn't specify just maintaining muscle, your comment was aimed at anybody with a high protein diet, regardless of their goals, which is utter bollocks.
There's never any 'need' for protein supplementation, but the fact remains that certain people (such as men trying to build muscle) require a certain level of protein in their diet, and for various reasons such as financial limitation or lack of hunger or being a vegetarian or not liking certain solid proteins, getting that protein from solid food is not always easy or desirable, and so protein supplementation is a good idea. | |
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Posted: 6/4/2008 9:14:36 AM | "you said conclusively that requiring a high level of protein is a myth"
yep.
and I said protein supplementation while dieting is another myth.
"bollocks for anybody trying to build muscle."
Let's stop with the airy-fairy mythologizing.
Health organization say 2-4 oz (decreases with age) is sufficient protein/day.
Be precise and numerical defending the high-protein myth. How many oz of protein/day does a dedicated max-weight body builder add in supplemental protein/day __into his muscles__ (rather than down the toilet). And no cheating with creatine, HGH, and other chemicals.
Let's say wimp wakes up 1 Jan and decides he's going to be Mister Muscle on July 1 so he can go to the beach and kick sand in the faces of wimps and fat-asses. Without cheating and only body-building.
Can our wimp put on 5 pounds of muscle/month?
+30 lbs in 6 months?
It sounds like all the pro-protein supp people are saying he will have to supplement his unchanged wimp diet with protein supplementation.
Anyway, we aren't talking about protein supplementation and muscle wastage in body-builders, but in NORMAL people, esp women, who diet while worrying about insufficient protein and wastage.
The Protein Myth is total codswallop. | |
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Posted: 6/4/2008 9:28:44 AM | I don't know I think protein (or protein pills) are pretty important if your on a diet so you don't lose your muscle mass. Muscle is good for ladies and men alike. Each pound of muscle burns 90 calories a day for you just by sitting there. The most famous and successful weight loss programs use protein pills as well. One example as such is Bernstein but Bernstein is a little extreme because of how fast you lose weight so you'd really waste away to nothing without protein pills.
As for protein helping build muscle. Anyone who says that is 100% right. It helps build muscle by helping reconstructing muscle after the workout. If you want to build muscle drink milk after your workout. If you want to build a lot of muscle add protein powder or something to that milk and you'll get that muscle very fast. | |
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Posted: 6/4/2008 9:31:17 AM | | Btw just adding on to my prior post I am in no way pulling any of that out of my ass. I knew a person in Bernstein they lost a lot of weight but when they got lazy with the protein pills they lost a lot of muscle and it was bad. The protein pills really do help in diets. Also, i've seen a friend get extremely muscular in a short amount of time using only milk + protein powder so it does help. If you are going to do it however remember that you need to let your muscles rebuild so you can either do muscle training one day and then cardio the next or just take a break for a day instead of doing cardio. | |
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Posted: 6/4/2008 9:37:28 AM |
Anyway, we aren't talking about protein supplementation and muscle wastage in body-builders, but in NORMAL people, esp women, who diet while worrying about insufficient protein and wastage.
Your original post mentioned NOTHING about "normal" people, it was addressed to everybody, from sedentary people to bodybuilders alike. You also didn't specify women. | |
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