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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts [CLOSED Thread]
Posted: 6/4/2008 5:22:38 PM | Well history has been made Obama is the first African American/Black Presidential Canidate. He is running against McCain the Heroe Prisoner of War.
What will happen now?
Let's keep the dialogue going.
Will this one have as much mud thrown and Clinton VS Obama. Which one will cry to get votes or make misstatements.
This will be a good clean fight. I am ready put on your boxing gloves and let us debate.
Love
Faith
Subject too broad, too many side subjects, loss of focus, flaming , chat and now CLOSED 
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 6/4/2008 5:28:07 PM | Let the debates begin! :-)
Both are classy guys and I think we will all be surprised that neither will sling much mud and both will outline their philosophies and approaches in intelligent and thoughtful ways.
Either one would work for me, I am biased toward Obama but John needs to inspire me a bit more before I could see myself voting for him. Well, a lot more, actually.
I saw an interview with George Will the other night and he mentioned that McCain is a very angry man, Americans don't want angry men as President, so his handicap is the anger vs. Obama's coolness.
Obama's challenge is for more people to feel that he is one of them, not aloof and arrogant.
Those are two things to look for.
Could you see these two in a ring in Las Vegas? Obama has the reach, could do a potential KO, but McCain has that shoulder problem, I could see him getting in close, throwing punches to the abdomen ... the bookies are going to make a fortune....:-) | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 6/4/2008 5:34:59 PM | Given the current 'president' and the economy and the war, it should be a cakewalk for Obama. But no matter how it turns out I want to see him fill some stadiums and do that Otis Redding thing where he starts slow and builds up to a crescendo and leaves the places roaring. We've been needing that kind of excitement for way too long.
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 6/4/2008 5:39:42 PM | This is going to be GREAT ! 
I can't wait for the real campaign to start, as we may just see one of the classic campaigns of all time occurring. Two very different men, and different platforms, providing a clear choice at a critical crossroads for America's future.
The Republicans, with their party in free fall across the land, are going to have tough times ahead. On every single front McCain faces, he's at a disadvantage.
In a debate, I have a strong feeling Obama's going to nail McCain to the wall. My prediction is that it will be a repeat of the Kennedy-Nixon debates, in impact.
Gentlemen, start your engines......  It's going to be a heck of a race. | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 6/4/2008 5:52:43 PM | | Well I don't know if in head to head debates that Obama will nail McCain. Obama didn't fair to well against Hillary in those types of debates. I think McCain has the advantage in those. However, in making speeches it’s clearly Obama. McCain is proposing the candidates square off in head to head debates. Even though I believe that Obama will be at a little disadvantage and out of his element its something that he should do. | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 6/4/2008 6:21:59 PM | I'm an Obama supporter myself, always have been, always will be.
I suspect that Obama will win. McCain's never been a favorite of his own party. He's the nominee not because he was great, but because he was the least disliked. That usually doesn't bode well, and reminds me of candidates like John Kerry--uninspiring, but "electable", only really there because they weren't terrible, not because they were good.
Obama is a once in a generation candidate. I think he's revitalized the party and brought a lot of new people into the fold, and brought back a lot of old alienated people as well.
However, there are questions to consider:
1) Voter turnout, particularly in certain groups of people. Will the youth come out, or are they just in it for the moment? Will minorities come out? Will women be too mired in the loss of Hillary and stay home? Things like that.
2) How much is race a factor to American voters?
3) Will the Democratic Party unite with an Obama/Clinton ticket and manage to bring itself together?
Basically, the Dems have to mess up pretty badly to lose this one. I think it'll hinge on bringing the party together. If they can, I don't see how they'll lose. Nearly all the attention has been on that party in this election. Nobody was all that riveted by what the Republicans have been up to. If Obama sustains momemtum, keeps his base voters (minorities, youth, leftist independents, educated Dems, crossover Republicans, etc.) and reins in Hillary's base voters (white women, blue collar Dems, senior Dems, Jews) by having her on the ticket, it should be a pretty cut and dried election.
If they fail to do this, McCain will win.
This is what I see happening. There are other factors, but we'll see how it plays out. This party has always had a hard time coming together. | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 6/4/2008 6:49:24 PM | It's interesting how the people think that the president has that much power as to control all these things. It is the majority of other politicians who make the laws. Elections often times are hinged on things that aren't going to make a difference, and all the talk of change is really fluff.
It will be interesting to see how Obama behaves and what he finds himself going back on if he does get into office. | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 6/5/2008 4:17:55 AM | Until recently, I like many other people outside of America took little or no interest in your political shenaigans. I must admit that now it has become as important to me as the elections here in the UK.
Having read a great deal and listened to both men I have to say that Mr. Obama seems to me to offer the greatest hope for peace and for the future. He seems to offer you the best opportunity to re-establish yourselves as the greatest nation on earth with the respenct of all nations. Mr. McCain as yet seems to offer no solution to the war in Iraq or the battle to win over the hearts and minds of people outside your nation.
I will watch with great interest how things unfold safe in the knowledge that the American people will make the right choice for us all. | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 6/5/2008 6:05:30 AM | Barack Obama - Unknown Quantity
John McCain - The Bob Dole of the 21st century
Not sure how Obama can be "swift boated" as he was never a veteran.
McCain's POW record shouldn't be brought into this as an issue as it's irrelevant to who's going to lead this country going forward.
Unless McCain distances himself the failed policies of the Cheney (sorry Bush) White House then the picture of him that'll be presented will be of more of the same.
if Obama can avoid additional Chicago-area political scandals and keep hammering on changing America...then he may have a decent chance to succeed.
The entire world is watching this election as the majority of them are people of color.
The US has constantly preached other countries about openness and equality of treatment.
Let's see if that preaching can also be practiced. | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 6/5/2008 7:48:48 AM |
Not sure how Obama can be "swift boated" as he was never a veteran.
Swift boated has taken on a meaning of being unfairly targeted by 527s in the electoral process.
In the case of Obama the 527s won't have to resort to unfair attacks. All they have to do is show Obama with his arm around Rezko, do a montage of Wright marrying Obama and Michelle and baptizing their children. None of this is going to set well with middle America.
McCain doesn't like these tactics, but his repudiation will mean little. Neither the RNC nor his campaign funds the ads, so they will continue.
In fact, McCain will look like a clean Boy Scout hero saying he repudiates the ads, calling out for them to stop -- but they'll continue anyway.
McCain's POW record shouldn't be brought into this as an issue as it's irrelevant to who's going to lead this country going forward.
I agree, but I can't imagine how his being tortured by the VC for 5 years could be used against him anyway. He was the son of an Admiral, and the VC tried to make hay of him, tried to get him to agree to early release. Of coure, he refused and did his time along side his fellow POWs.
Unless McCain distances himself the failed policies of the Cheney (sorry Bush) White House then the picture of him that'll be presented will be of more of the same.
I think you're going to see that happening. A McCain presidency will not be a repeat of Bush. All you have to do is look at the guy's voting record.
It's not like Republicans have a choice. Who are they going to vote for if not McCain? Only an idiot is going to throw their vote away on Bob Barr (or Nader on the Dem side).
if Obama can avoid additional Chicago-area political scandals and keep hammering on changing America...then he may have a decent chance to succeed.
Good luck with that. Obama doesn't seem to have any common sense when it comes to picking his close friends and associates. | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 6/5/2008 8:25:15 AM | I really do hope that both of them can stick to issues and help us know who they really are as individuals. There is a very sharp difference between what they believe, how they have lived their lives, and the vision they have of America's future.
Each has the base of their party who will support them even if Obama and McCain where not their preferred candidate; the election will be decided by those who are independents and more centrist. The goal of each candidate will be to play to this group without alienating their base. We can only hope we can find the truth about who they are and what they believe. | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 6/5/2008 8:56:06 AM | | Obama's advantage over McCain is that he will inspire a formerly apathetic voting group out to the polls to vote for once. McCain will have to hope that he gains at least as many Dem voters as he has lost traditionally Rep voters. Both parties have shown their failures, but the Dem's failure has been largely because of a small majority with a Rep executive branch. | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 6/5/2008 9:00:31 AM | McCain's got to walk a tightrope in this election - and there's no net below him.
He can't attack Bush's presidency, or else he risks looking like a hypocrite with Bush's support. On the other hand, he can't defend it much either.  | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 6/5/2008 9:01:00 AM | I can't wait for the debates! If Obama thought Hillary was tough to beat (and she was) he hasn't seen anything yet.
I don't think McCain will have any trouble at all drawing a clear distinction between himself and Bush. The Obama camp have coined the "McBush" thing but it's pretty easily discounted. My understanding is, if you look around the Republican party for anyone who was against anything Bush was promoting, it was generally McCain leading the resistance. So while the McBush idea is a great sound byte, it doesn't have any legs. If that's the whole Obama strategy, and based on the ideas he put forward in the primaries, I've gotta think that's ALL he's got, it won't take long for him to crash and burn. And he doesn't have long either - November is not that far away. | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 6/5/2008 9:28:22 AM | MG put up a great thread on McCain's party and its members.
I think that is as important as the views of the candidates. They are the people they have surrounded themselves with and the key backers and advisor's of the direction of the country. This I believe has FAR greater importance for the future of all of us. Much of the debate is all pandering and marketed to obtain the votes they need. Once in office the president will be surrounded by people who will influence every decision. | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 6/5/2008 9:30:20 AM |
Don't mix up McCain pre-2004 with McCain post-2004.
There's more flip flops there than in Miami Beach hotel lobby.
Don't worry...McCain's voting record dispels that 'pre 2004 and post 2004' mantra of the Dems.
Is that like don't mix up the June 2008 Wright/Obama vs. the 20 plus years prior Wright/Obama?
As to the General Election... Obama has been getting ... a lot of Media coverage... is getting a lot due to the media hype around all this with Clinton.. will she quit officially...won't she...
We need to wait and see what happens during the debates and hopefully the 'Town-Hall' ones will take place. This way the Nominees are with real people in close personal settings versus the oratory speech format that Obama wants. | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 6/5/2008 9:51:39 AM | I really like Obama. I have been a Republican all my adult life and am leaning towards voting Democrat. I do have some issues with both party's. I would hope that if McCain wins he will turn away from the current admins failed policies and war. Then on the other hand, I would hope Obama does not go tax crazy in the extreme. Taxs will be raised to pay for the wars...I agree with this. National health care is not good in my opinion and neither is adding to the social welfare roles.
No matter who wins, they will need to get big business out of Washington to really accomplish anything.
It is time for change and we must decide what that change will be. Either we get back on track or we will continue to fail.
I sincerely hope that we as a people make the right decision. I hope people vote for the right man for the job based on their merits and not color of skin or age.
I will say this much...as someone who hates Hitlery with a passion(Almost as much as Billybob) If Obama chooses her as a running mate...I will have no choice but to vote for McCain. | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 6/5/2008 10:01:04 AM | I haven't been a Republican all my life so I take a different view. First, once I looked up the real definition of Neoconservatism (not the Dem. slant to it), I realized I am a NeoCon. So be it. McCain's proven Congressional Voting record and his strategic plan (which he fought against Bush and Congress on) to get the Iraq stabalized quicker...which was put into effect finally a year ago and we've seen a drastic drop in American's deaths, etc. McCain's consistent voting to stop the Congress raises for themselves (Obama and Clinton voted for the raises)... McCain's less taxation for American Citizens (Obama is for continued more taxation)... all leads me to casting my vote for McCain this election.
The far right doesn't like McCain... and he might lose those votes... I doubt it...but, it's a chance. Then, there will be the votes he will pick up from the Dems. depending on whether Obama takes Clinton or not as his running mate. There will be those who will vote McCain if Obama takes her and there will be those who will vote McCain if he doesn't.
It's going to be a good interesting race for the White House. | |
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| Let the real show begin (Obama VS McCain) What are your thoughts
Posted: 6/5/2008 10:18:13 AM | With one MILLION homes being foreclosed, it's going to be an uphill struggle for McCain.
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- More than one million homes are now in foreclosure, the highest rate ever recorded, according to a trade group which warned Thursday that number will continue to climb.
The Mortgage Bankers Association's first quarter report showed that a record 2.5% of all loans being serviced by its members are now in foreclosure, which works out to about 1.1 million homes. That's up from the 2% of loans, or about 938,000 homes, that were in foreclosure at the end of 2007.
The report also showed that 448,000 homes, or about 1% of loans being serviced, began the foreclosure process during the first quarter. That's up from about 382,000 homes, or 0.83%, that entered foreclosure in the last three months of 2007.
The seasonally-adjusted rate of homeowners behind on their mortgage payments also hit a record high. Nearly 3 million home loans, or 6.4%, have missed at least one payment, while about 737,000 are at least three months past due, but not yet in foreclosure.
http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/05/news/economy/
foreclosure/index.htm?postversion=2008060510
He attacks Bush on the economy - he looks like a hypocrite.
He defends him - he looks worse.
Maybe they should also mention this to John McCain who has been going around the country stirring up hatred by telling Republicans that the only people who need help are undeserving and irresponsible losers who should get a second (or third) job and stop taking vacations. He never seems to get around to explaining his role-- and the role of his party-- in dismantling the federal regulatory agencies that were meant to protect ordinary Americans from unrestrained predatory capitalism. Earlier this month the House passed bills sponsored by Barney Frank and Maxine Waters to assist families that were victims of the Republican/Blue Dog deregulation craze. Bush promptly announced that if his boys McConnell, Shelby and McCain can't filibuster it to death in the Senate, he'll veto it.
UBS: Warns some former employees not to travel to U.S. by Spud1 Wed May 28, 2008 at 04  07 AM PDT A quick diary to add more to the growing UBS/John McCain story, MarketPlace reports this morning that the bank that caters to the very wealthy has warned some of its employees not to travel to the U.S., for fear that they might be arrested. A couple of weeks back, a UBS banker was indicted on tax evasion charges, after it was alleged that he helped an American real estate developer to avoid taxes. Apparently, this was no rogue employee. Forbes has the story, via Atrios: UBS has told members of its former private banking team responsible for rich US clients not to travel to America, the Financial Times reported. The Swiss bank has also made lawyers available to the more than 50 bankers involved, many of whom have left UBS since it decided last November to wind down its cross-border private banking business for US customers. A former employee is believed to be helping the investigation: It also emerged that American prosecutors are being helped by a former UBS employee who has leaked names of US clients of the Swiss bank. It is thought that the former employee may also be under investigation for potential wrong-doing. http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/5/28/71936/7339/767/524023
It’s hard to know whether McCain supports the Democratic plan to help struggling homeowners by guaranteeing more affordable, refinanced mortgages against default.
Two weeks ago, McCain economic advisor Douglas Holtz-Eakin derided the idea as “throwing money at problems” and said it had “the potential to do more harm than good.”
Last week Holtz-Eakin reversed himself, saying that the proposal reflected McCain’s principles and McCain might support it.
But yesterday McCain said he does not support the bill after all, according to Laura Meckler of the Wall Street Journal.
Am I the only one confused?
http://thinkprogress.org/wonkroom/2008/04/07/mccain-still-
flip-flopping-on-whether-to-rescue-homeowners/
Like I said, Gramm is McCain's glass jaw. | |
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