| It's official - Bush BS'd us into Iraq
Posted: 6/5/2008 4:42:27 PM | Why don't we have the gonads to impeach this dolt? You tell me. Great example of why neocons simply can't be trusted.
Senate Report: Bush Used Iraq Intel He Knew Was False
Read the whole article here:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/05/divided-senate-committee_n_105374.html | |
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| It's official - Bush BS'd us into Iraq
Posted: 6/5/2008 5:16:20 PM | Basically, no, the gonads have been removed and burned. By the time Dems had it in their power to do anything about it, the election was too close and they didn't want to incur the same wrath as Republicans when they impeached Clinton. And of course Republicans would never do anything about it in a million years.
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| It's official - Bush BS'd us into Iraq
Posted: 6/5/2008 5:26:03 PM | ^^Huffinton Post didn't create this story. The Bush Administration did. You're in a state of denial.
Great strategy though: Shoot the messenger. | |
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| It's official - Bush BS'd us into Iraq
Posted: 6/5/2008 5:33:06 PM |
Huffinton Post didn't create this story. The Bush Administration did. You're in a state of denial.
huffington post is a piece of crap as is arianna herself.
Then who created this, wiseguy?
http://intelligence.senate.gov/pubcurrent.html | |
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| It's official - Bush BS'd us into Iraq
Posted: 6/5/2008 5:42:19 PM | | ^^^Thanks for the 170 page link. I don't have time to read it but , perhaps you can give me the cliff notes and maybe explain how the Huffington Post got the story wrong. | |
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| It's official - Bush BS'd us into Iraq
Posted: 6/5/2008 5:43:00 PM |
its so annoying for these lefties to bring in these lefty posts or reactions....dont any of you lefties read or talk in groups or posts or message boards or closets that are anywhere NEAR balanced? huffington post is a piece of crap as is arianna herself.
For the neocon talking heads, they were trained well. If you close your eyes, it just doesn't exist. Thankfully, the rest of us have our eyes wide open. | |
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| It's official - Bush BS'd us into Iraq
Posted: 6/5/2008 6:01:16 PM | | Nope Bluesman... speaking as a REAL Neocon, I just ask that you get the facts...all of em. If I'm going to held to factual, precise standards on this site, I will ask the same from you and others. Nothing more or less. Now, as for 'opinions'...that's a whole other ballgame and up for grabs, imho...since those are personal interpretations..rightfully so. | |
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| It's official - Bush BS'd us into Iraq
Posted: 6/5/2008 6:04:13 PM | its so annoying for these lefties to bring in these lefty posts
So the truth hurts trapper john md. It is only natural for you to let it out.
We've been watching your White House occupant do his best to waste this nation away for almost 8 years now (something tells me he will go out with a fvcked up bang). Sorry it is such a bummer for you to face change.
speaking as a REAL Neocon
I remember when you were only a partial Neo-con! Sorry to hear you are on that side, but good luck! | |
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| It's official - Bush BS'd us into Iraq
Posted: 6/5/2008 6:05:35 PM | http://carolynbaker.net/static/index.html
And there's this....and McClellan's book...and pretty much if you JUST OPEN YOUR EYES you'll see it everywhere......and I'm sorry that it is so hard to comprehend that your infallable support for Bush might have been wrong....but it's time to face facts. Why would you be so damn loyal to someone who sold the entire country and other countries down the river????
I just do not get it. | |
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| It's official - Bush BS'd us into Iraq
Posted: 6/5/2008 7:01:58 PM |
its so annoying for these lefties to bring in these lefty posts or reactions....dont any of you lefties read or talk in groups or posts or message boards or closets that are anywhere NEAR balanced? huffington post is a piece of crap as is arianna herself.
I thought most people knew that Arianna Huffington is a tool for the Democrats.. they continually pick her as some sort of bipartisan opinion.. which is absolutely hilarious. | |
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| It's official - Bush BS'd us into Iraq
Posted: 6/5/2008 7:03:31 PM | Hey, I have an idea, maybe we can go back to Viet Nam and FINISH THE JOB!
Just a few more years, another 50,000 or so dead soldiers, we can do it, we can finish it, yes, we can! | |
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| It's official - Bush BS'd us into Iraq
Posted: 6/5/2008 7:11:10 PM | this Intel info is NOT new.. this is nothing more than the Democrats trying to WIN back their constituants.. I started a thread about this earlier today and it was evidently deleted.
The Democrats have failed miserably these past two years so this is a feable attempt to divert our attention to OLD news.. the entire Congress had the same Intel that Pres. Bush did..this is nothing more than the Democrats trying to save their own butts.. instead of following through with their promises of TWO years ago.. ending the War and lowering gas prices.. the do nothing Democrat Leadership formed a committee to rehash and regurgitate old news disguised as "breaking news".. give us a break.. this is an insult to our intelligence.. Im not going to get all warm and fuzzy towards the Democrats now just because they are passing the buck and not taking responsibility for not speaking up after reading the entire Iraq Intelligence Report that was given to them prior to the vote. | |
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| It's official - Bush BS'd us into Iraq
Posted: 6/5/2008 7:22:01 PM | | ^^^Shoot the messenger, huh. I see a pattern developing with the cons. Some damning information comes forth and they blame democrats for bringing it up (eventhough there were cons on that same committee) as a means to divert the attention away from the fact that 4000+ trooops were sacrificed based on lies. It's not the Democrat's fault that the cons are so corrupt and greedy. | |
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| It's official - Bush BS'd us into Iraq
Posted: 6/5/2008 7:23:19 PM |
And there's this....and McClellan's book... and McClellan was a Deputy in Domestic Affairs.. somehow he annointed himself chief of Iraq War Affairs after he quit. So what we have here is one disgruntled employee and a bunch of Democrats who didn't end the Iraq War as they had promised 2 years ago and are worried how this will look to their constituants.. its that simple. | |
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| It's official - Bush BS'd us into Iraq
Posted: 6/5/2008 7:30:22 PM |
Some damning information comes forth Excuse me but this old information only makes the Democrats look even more foolish because they had the same Intl that Bush did.. all they did was cherry pick Bush's speeches.. as if they solely based their decision/vote on Bush's speeches..most members at that time I'm sure had a very high IQ.. many were Attorneys, Professionals..etc.. with an ability to read and comprehend data.. they were all given the SAME packet of information regarding Iraq's WMD.. this is old news being regurgitated during an election year to try to save face with Democrats constituants.. personally I don't think many people will be gullible enough to fall for it. | |
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| It's official - Bush BS'd us into Iraq
Posted: 6/5/2008 7:39:53 PM | Ahem. The NIE was cherry picked by Bush and his people before it was released in order to mislead Congress before they voted on the war resolution.
And just because they told their lies several years ago doesn't matter. To test it out, use the "it's old news" argument in front of a judge the next time you get a traffic ticket.
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| It's official - Bush BS'd us into Iraq
Posted: 6/5/2008 7:40:22 PM |
I thought most people knew that Arianna Huffington is a tool for the Democrats.
Good grief. How about dealing with the SUBSTANCE of the article. Are you saying it's not true merely because it appeared on the Huffington Post? The article was about the US SENATE get it?
How about reading it in the N.Y. Times? Does that make it acceptable to you?
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/05/washington/05cnd-intel.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
So what we have here is one disgruntled employee
So I suppose each and every person that bailed the sinking ship of state and wrote a book about it (like Gen. Clark, George Tenet, McClellan, and all the others are all "disgruntled" ex employees? ROTFLMAO. Man, you're hysterically funny. You just can't see the forest for the trees. Well, no point in discussing it any further. You're one more who sees the handwriting on the wall and call it a forgery. Fortunately for the rest of us who are more concerned with reality than lame talking points (realllllllly tiresome OLD talking points), the facts are clear. This administration is one f**kup after another. But if you look at Bush's resume, it's fairly consistent. He's a failure wherever he goes.
And the problem for McSame is that he's so joined at the hip with Bush on Iraq, privatizing social security (oh yeah, that was a peachy idea), the economy (which McS admits he knows nothing about) makes Obama's job soooo easy. I can't wait. | |
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| It's official - Bush BS'd us into Iraq
Posted: 6/5/2008 7:43:22 PM | | Glamour....Don't forget that cons had control over both houses when we went to war with Iraq. I don't know why Democrats would be more responsible for not taking the president to task. Besides, this thread is about how Bush lied to the public. It's not about lying to congress. The truth is: this war was sold to the American people based on propaganda and unreliable information. This administration was willing to do anything to go to war with Iraq, including sacrificing a lot of young men and women who believed what was coming out of his lying mouth. | |
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| It's official - Bush BS'd us into Iraq
Posted: 6/5/2008 7:44:55 PM | I've also noticed the general trend on these threads. When neocon/right-wing/pro-war points are brought up, they are addressed and even refuted sometimes. When left-wing/anti-war points are brought up, the publication cited is attacked as liberal, or the points are simply dismissed as liberal talking points as if that constitutes refutaton. Yes-- "shoot the messenger." It also has a fancier name-- ad hominem.
the entire Congress had the same Intel that Pres. Bush did..
This is misleading, but it is true that Congress did not do their job as one of the government's checks and balances. Patriotic fervor and support for the president was high. They fvcked up-- they trusted Bush's case for Iraq as a dire threat! Most members of congress did not look into the intel as closely as they should have.
One little-known tidbit that I've also seen MG mention in the past is that there was a declassified summary of the NIE called a "white paper." By some heretofor unknown cause, the white paper used verbiage that indicated a more sure threat from Iraq than the actual NIE itself. The NIE did not indicate the threat with enough certainty to justify invasion. The problem is that the NIE was classified and could not be easily distributed. Who knew that the white paper was so flawed and who made it so? One can only speculate, but few in congress questioned it as much as they should have before authorizing an invasion.
We were misled, folks. The more time goes by, the more apparent that will become, no matter how much some deny it with ad hominems. | |
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| It's official - Bush BS'd us into Iraq
Posted: 6/5/2008 7:50:18 PM | | I disagree.. what we have here is a group of intelligent men.. some of the most intelligent men perhaps in the United States.. claiming that they were misled... give me a break... someone with Bush's intelligence.. cognitive intelligence being able to mislead some of the smartest men and women in the United States.. it's oustounding.. and all this time I thought Pres. Bush was considered a moron.. yet he's been able to single handedly hoodwink the best of the best. The Democrats are shooting themselves in the foot and looking very foolish at the same time. | |
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| It's official - Bush BS'd us into Iraq
Posted: 6/5/2008 7:55:25 PM | Glamour, you gloss over the intense patriotic fervor, solidarity, and need for justice this nation and its government had in the wake of 9/11. Lack of intellectual insight and curiosity aside, Bush is actually one of the most successful presidents in terms of cooperation from congress and getting his policies enacted. I don't even think he vetoed a bill until the Dems took the majority. Then he proceeded to wear his veto stamp out.
Let me ask you this: what has the invasion of Iraq ever done for you and your country? | |
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| It's official - Bush BS'd us into Iraq
Posted: 6/5/2008 7:57:07 PM | | Jeeez You still don't get it. Bush is just a sock puppet. Do you seriously think HE came up with all this bullshit? The naivete of some people is truly astonishing. It was Rove, Wolfowitz, Cheney and Rumsfeld et al whose brilliance brought about the mess we're in. Shrub just signed off on it....probably the only task he's suited for. | |
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| It's official - Bush BS'd us into Iraq
Posted: 6/5/2008 8:09:38 PM | The (remaining) Bush'ites around on forums and such kind of remind me of a parody I saw once of Bill O'Reilly, where he had his hands over his ears and basically just kept shouting, SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP . 
The higher-ups in this admin knew damn well we would have been fine doing nothing with Saddam except keeping him boxed in as he was (and not open up Pandora's Box as we did).
They had nearly every ulterior motive anti-war people accuse them of for lying the country into this. Well what about the freedom of the Iraqis, you ask? What about it, I'd ask in response to that. Where's Team America, World Police, when it comes to all the gov't's "allies" in the region which are also brutal and repressive regimes (Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan)?
The plight of the oppressed in Iraq was sad, but ultimately was not America's concern or business. Or if it was then they have to be consistent, logically, and now begin "freeing" everyone else as well (and they can start with the three allies named above and probably should move on from there to , say, Darfur). Anyone who seriously believes America went into Iraq like that solely because the powerful in Washington suddenly gave a single solitary shi'ite about the way people over there had to live is .... well, let's just say their childish naivete and idealism is almost touching in a way.
Anyway, as for the Democrats not doing anything after they beat out the Repubs in Congress, frankly I never expected them to. It would have been politically inadvisable (to say the least) to do something as drastic as seeking impeachment (even though Bush was practically begging to be made an example of). If you think of the long term, what they did (nothing much) was the best course of action because now none of that can be used against them / us (I vote Dem too of course) this summer in the debates and in November. They didn't fall into the "trap" the GOP was hoping they'd fall into after they took a majority in Congress.
This way it leaves the Iraq ... situation... squarely where it belongs; on the lap of the GOP under whose admin it was started. If the Dem party had "taken ownership" of it, so to speak, and started insisting on troop pullouts, trying to micro-manage the whole affair, and so forth, playing real hardball with them, then the Dem party would have begun to slowly but surely take over responsibility for it. We don't want that; responsibility belongs where it is right now -- on them , after all as I said it was a GOP admin that started the whole thing and lied the country into it.
This way they can't use such things against Obama for instance in debates this summer and fall , such as, 'well as soon as the Dem Congress started pulling troops out, this or that happened..." , etc. If there's a major suicide bombing at a Marine barracks next week, guess whose lap it's still on; the GOP under whose admin it started. Looks even worse for McCain this summer and fall -- after all he's the one who says we could stay there a hundred years if necessary.
No, the Dems will start to take more action once they've secured the real seat of power; the White House, hopefully, with Obama after January of '09. Patience and long-term strategy will pay off more so than the immediate satisfaction of seeking impeachment, forcing a change of course in Iraq, etc, would have. | |
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