| A Human Clone. Will It Have A Soul?
Posted: 6/5/2008 6:39:46 PM | This is one for all you religious people: We are different from animals, because God formed us in His own image. More: He gave us a soul. That immaterial 'person' who lives in us and exists after our body is dead.
Now, a clone of you or me? Would it have a soul?
I'd like to know your thoughts.
Me? Souls like sails belong in the past. It is nice to go sailing. | |
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| A Human Clone. Will It Have A Soul?
Posted: 6/5/2008 7:03:28 PM | First, one would have to believe within or outside of an organized religion that there is a soul that is separate entity from our physical bodies.
I think that a clone would have a separate soul, not the duplicate soul of the one being cloned, but this is a question that will always make us wonder. Who are we to say yes or no?
Because the clone would still have to grow as a regular baby and go through the same development, I would say, possibly, yes. However, do we even know, in our case, when we were awarded our souls or whether our souls existed even before us being physically born in this lifetime or not? | |
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| A Human Clone. Will It Have A Soul?
Posted: 6/5/2008 7:21:17 PM | Since a soul is completely intangible, and whose existence, like God, can neither be proven or disproven outside of faith, the question of whether or not a clone would have a soul would be kinda moot, since you cannot prove that any of us has a soul. Not to mention, to claim that another human being has no soul and is a lesser form of life based solely(heh) on faith is....well....soulless...
Human beings should always treat each others as equals- you start claiming that clones have no souls, and very soon you'll be arguing that clones aren't even human, and do not deserve rights.
Personally, I think Gingers have no souls, but maybe its just me.... | |
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| A Human Clone. Will It Have A Soul?
Posted: 6/5/2008 7:33:44 PM | Given that God formed us in His image and, in that context, we are born with a soul, I find it inconceivable that a man-made clone would have a soul. What is man-made is hardly synonymous with God-made. | |
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| A Human Clone. Will It Have A Soul?
Posted: 6/5/2008 7:34:06 PM | Sarsss, may I bow to your considered reply. Thank you.
I like your sense of wonder.
Let me make a suggestion? Unicorn. It is a lovely word, and a great horse, by Greek myth.
Duplicate? We know what that means: a copy.
There many words in the English language. Some of which we still use, but use is defunct, unless use in a kids book now.
'Unicorns' do not exist. Neither do 'Souls'.
Beamish
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| A Human Clone. Will It Have A Soul?
Posted: 6/5/2008 7:34:46 PM | wannaluvjustu.....that's i thought, too......
op/ i don't really see ....how it cld have a human soul??
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| A Human Clone. Will It Have A Soul?
Posted: 6/5/2008 7:37:29 PM |
Duplicate? We know what that means: a copy.
And here is the flaw in cloning a "copy": in order to have an exact copy, every aspect of the original's life experience would have to be replicated. Without that element, there is no true copy - only an illusion of a copy. | |
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| A Human Clone. Will It Have A Soul?
Posted: 6/5/2008 7:44:23 PM | Why do we want to clone really? whats the purpose? Why do humans screw with nature, almost everything we make thats artifical like foods etc, gives us cancer, what makes people think we are smart enough to handle cloning? I like science and all, but some scientists arin't as smart has they think. Scientists don't know everything, they cant even grasp quantum physics. Science to me should be used in tech, and thats it, dont try and be nature, when they dont even understand nature.
But for the most part, it doesnt matter, you can bet its already been done in secret somewhere. | |
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| A Human Clone. Will It Have A Soul?
Posted: 6/5/2008 7:56:23 PM | wannaluvjustu, the concept of soul is not a religious idea, as far as I know, now correct me if I am wrong, comes from Plato, and before him others.
We remember people when they are dead. It seems they are still alive and one day we will meet them again. But all that is - is memory. Nothing more, nothing less.
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| A Human Clone. Will It Have A Soul?
Posted: 6/5/2008 8:17:21 PM | Imbued, you deserve a reply. Go into your kitchen, see your fridge, see your radio, see everything around you?
All man made.
Sure tech. Fine. Science is not a god, nor is it a prayer, but, unlike religion, it does make like better for me and you and all people everywhere.
What to go back, burning witches?
Science is a method, a good one to understand the world. A scientist will say, 'If I am wrong, okay.'
A priest will say: I'm not wrong. | |
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| A Human Clone. Will It Have A Soul?
Posted: 6/5/2008 8:43:30 PM |
it does make like better for me and you and all people everywhere.
Science certainly has made a number of things much easier in this world. Yet easier is not always better, nor is better necessarily synonymous with easier. If anything, all this technology has enabled and fostered a substantial amount of complacency, pervasive sense of entitlement and further set the expectation in general that if one's life isn't easy, then there must be something wrong with life.
As for cloning? We have more to fear from cloning humans than we will ever have to fear from nuclear and biochemical weapons in a big picture perspective. Whether that clone had a soul or not, that clone will begin life as an infant and perish the though of what will be taught to it and by whom. | |
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| A Human Clone. Will It Have A Soul?
Posted: 6/5/2008 8:43:51 PM | I don't know why some people think science is anti-religious.
Science is just observing things until a pattern can be found that helps to predict how interactions work.
Then we can think of things to use that knowledge towards.
Or we can know better what interactions to avoid.
Religious people who fear science, should know we all do that everyday in our lives.
It's human minds work.  | |
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| A Human Clone. Will It Have A Soul?
Posted: 6/5/2008 9:09:36 PM | | Assuming a person has a soul, why wouldn't a clone have one? A clone is a DNA duplicate of a person. Identical twins, at birth, also have identical DNA. In a way, you could say the original person and their clone are simply identical twins, born years apart. | |
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| A Human Clone. Will It Have A Soul?
Posted: 6/5/2008 9:15:25 PM |
Now, a clone of you or me? Would it have a soul?
Yes. When you make a clone you are not really creating or making anything new. All you are doing is starting a naturally occurring process except that you set the initial conditions.
No human knows how to create a human being from scratch. Actually, if you want to create a human being from scratch, you have to re-create the entire universe. So, yes, clones have souls. | |
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| A Human Clone. Will It Have A Soul?
Posted: 6/5/2008 9:15:55 PM | This is one for all you religious people: We are different from animals,
Tell me how we are different from animals. We starve for affection, we starve for food, always wondering where our next meal is going to come from. We strive for perfection and we are always on an everending quest for a cure for "something". Animals starve for affection, they starve for food and they are always on the hunt for a kind human that will be nice to them and protect them and provide for them and take care of them etc...etc..etc...we, as humans do the same..we need protection, love, taken care of..Animals have the souls that us humans are looking for...Look not for another soul as the one that is in your own backyard (the animal kingdom). | |
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| A Human Clone. Will It Have A Soul?
Posted: 6/5/2008 9:16:59 PM |
vancer....we " fear " science, in our everyday life????
It's just I've met some people who think science is a conspiracy to attack their religion.
It's weird. I have no idea why too.
I met a person who when seeing a bar trick using gravity, got all excited and claimed that god is real, science was a sham, and that trick proved it.
Why did that person think that? I am confused. | |
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| A Human Clone. Will It Have A Soul?
Posted: 6/5/2008 9:18:03 PM | In a way, you could say the original person and their clone are simply identical twins, born years apart.
Again, as I previously stated in effect, while cloning can create a physical mirror of a person, a person is more than their physical image alone. On the concept of identical twins born years apart, it is a flawed theory without recreating every aspect from conception to "present day" of the life experiences and such that shaped beyond the physical attributes the WHOLE person.
Interesting that not one poster has yet responded to that element. | |
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| A Human Clone. Will It Have A Soul?
Posted: 6/5/2008 9:24:14 PM | Well science goes on the method, you look, around, and then go to the source, something like spirituality, or Buddhism, Kabbalah, Hermeticism etc, instead, its method is the source is already inside you, but its obscured by ego, or distractions.
I never said science was bad, I said, stepping into the realm of interferring in life, and something it doesnt fully understand, is abit careless, cause its affecting things that will have a consciousness and feelings, and living. I don't see why it has to step into that realm is all, its stepping into the realm of things that can have a more inpacting consqeuence, if they want to augment thier own bodies, let them but not on something else, that never had the choice in the first place. Cloned animals dont have a long life span, in thier first tests, so there is more to life than matter, and dna, things they dont know about yet,, with new things in science coming up like quantum physics, and zero point energy, and hyperdimensional physics, science is coming to a point where it cant study things only observable to the eye, cause you cant study a photon, soon as you do, its gone.
Take out the dna of an insects eye, and by the forth generation, the missing dna repairs itself, without reproducing with a mate, so its not a mates dna correcting it, its an intelligent feild that is correcting dna, something that cant be observed or studied. They did many of these odd experienments in Russia, with photons and dna, they should be easy to find on google. | |
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| A Human Clone. Will It Have A Soul?
Posted: 6/5/2008 9:34:45 PM | saying science is bad is silly, and so is saying religon is bad, people are good and bad. in reality, they are simply looking from 2 perspectives. they are both started from the question "Why?"
But one thing is true, they ,both over time , beleive in singularity, we went from many gods, to one God, we went from a chaotic universe to a universe of laws and structure, and a singular begining.
I think our main mistake is wanting to be right, rather than being open, and looking deeper, in a growing manner. | |
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| A Human Clone. Will It Have A Soul?
Posted: 6/5/2008 9:39:24 PM | This is a question I have pondered many an occassion... without really apprehending an answer...
Xfile:
Yes. When you make a clone you are not really creating or making anything new. All you are doing is starting a naturally occurring process except that you set the initial conditions.
No human knows how to create a human being from scratch. Actually, if you want to create a human being from scratch, you have to re-create the entire universe. So, yes, clones have souls. I will be contemplating this for some time to come... very interesting thoughts, thanks for sharing them :) | |
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