| Will The Democratic Party Heal Itself in Time?
Posted: 6/7/2008 10:02:14 AM | Hillary has conceded the nomination to Barack Obama. There is evidence that there are hard feelings left over from the passionate nomination fight. It's agreed that if all factions of the Democratic Party don't resolve their differences and come together in time, then John McCain will be our 44th President.
Do you think the Democratic Party will heal itself in time for the election?
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| Will The Democratic Party Heal Itself in Time?
Posted: 6/7/2008 10:12:34 AM | Honestly, I don't know. I tried to concentrate not only on Hillary's speech, it's still going on, but, also the crowd's reaction. Personally, I think the cameras caught the disgust on her Supporters' faces when she went into the 'support Obama' portion. No exaggeration on my part... all one has to do is watch the video replay of that part. They were frowning, not clapping and shaking their heads in the negative. Unless that part of Hillary's support comes around, it is going to be tough for the Democrats.
When she focused on just her platform, with no mention of Obama, the crowd reacted favorably. Very favorably.
The fracture might be too much with the People...not within the actual Politicians.
It was a good speech in an attempt to unite the party. Very well articulated. But, is it enough? She's trying very hard...very hard to get her People to change their minds, with her, and support Obama. Maybe... maybe... she's trying a bit too hard. I don't know. | |
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| Will The Democratic Party Heal Itself in Time?
Posted: 6/7/2008 10:16:45 AM |
Personally, I think the cameras caught the disgust on her Supporters' faces when she went into the 'support Obama' portion. No exaggeration on my part... all one has to do is watch the video replay of that part. They were frowning, not clapping and shaking their heads in the negative.
We must have watched two different speeches, then. 
I think the party will unite. It's normal to have divisions in such an historic and tight race, but those will fade. This battle was never primarily about who was going to win the Democratic race, at it's roots.
It was about winning in November, although that was sometimes overlooked along the way. 
So the choice now is a very clear one.
Come together, or face four more years of failed foreign and economic policy.
Remembering past elections, and how close they were, then every vote counts.
Inch by inch.
If you want to cut off your nose to spite your face, go ahead.
And live with the consequences, when you do.  | |
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| Will The Democratic Party Heal Itself in Time?
Posted: 6/7/2008 10:24:22 AM |
We must have watched two different speeches, then.
Really? The Media is even talking about that part. How H. Clinton started speaking faster to override the actual booing in the crowd. I didn't mention the booing before in my other post because I wasn't sure I had heard correctly. Guess I did.
We are not cutting off our noses to spite our face.. Know why? Because if McCain gets in, then it's because the majority of People do not listen to rhetoric and go for the Nominee. McCain has proved himself to be different than Bush. Believe that or not. His collective history in Politics and in the Military prove his background and speaks for itself.
We have to quit dwelling on past elections... the Dems. proved that votes can be manipulated. The process is not perfect. We do the best we can as Humans. Above all the Media talking heads...We are Americans and won't be dictated to by the sentiment of other Countries. | |
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| Will The Democratic Party Heal Itself in Time?
Posted: 6/7/2008 10:38:17 AM |
McCain has proved himself to be different than Bush.
Not really, and I've shown some great examples of how close the two of them really are. You can't deny that, I've listed the reasons, and the citations behind them.
We are Americans and won't be dictated to by the sentiment of other Countries.
Nor the facts, it seems.
Face it, how many parties have won THREE back to back elections, in modern American history ?
I'll answer that one for you.
1921-1933.
Before that ?
1901-1913.
Again, place that against the summer of discontent that we are in the progress of seeing, and the total routing of the Republican party in Congressional elections.
Just some things to think about. | |
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| Will The Democratic Party Heal Itself in Time?
Posted: 6/7/2008 11:03:44 AM | Only if the women who wanted Hillary to win to show the world a woman can be president
will vote for a black man to show the world a black man can be president.
Some might think it sweet revenge to vote for McCain.
That would show those Obama supporters a thing or two.
The hell with the country.
Lot of bruised egos need to heal before the party heals. | |
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| Will The Democratic Party Heal Itself in Time?
Posted: 6/7/2008 11:39:54 AM | I, for one, am execerising my option NOT to vote in this election. I feel that we were railroaded early on into having this primary be an historical-making one that would result with either the first woman or the first black man as a candidate. I blame the media most of all, shallow as that seems, because there was virtually no coverage of the other candidates (especially at the debates). My first choice and then my second choice left the race long ago. At that point I decided I wouldn't be voting. Both of the 2 finalists leave me cold, and it didn't matter to me which way history was made.
(McCain was never an option.) | |
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| Will The Democratic Party Heal Itself in Time?
Posted: 6/7/2008 12:03:12 PM | Is it not clear to everyone how incredibly ironic the Democratic primary campaign was?
Irony #1 -- The Democratic Party is supposed to be the party of racial tolerance and bridging the class divide. Yet this campaign was the most polarized by race and class that we have seen in a long long time.
Irony #2 -- The Democratic Party is supposed to be the party of "let every vote count." Yet the administration of the primaries was so screwed up that it was inevitable that some votes would NOT be counted.
Irony #3 -- The Democratic Party is supposed to be the party of "superdelegates will bring us the wisdom of not having another George McGovern so we have the best chance of winning." Yet the superdelegates wound up supporting a candidate who is LESS likely to wind and who bears more of resemblance politically to George McGovern than the other one.
Irony #4 -- The Democratic Party is supposed to be the party of feminism and woman's rights....but guess what happens? A woman who has paid her dues and who has worded very hard hits her head on the proverbial glass ceiling and is pushed aside by a wet-behind-the-ears male.
Yes, ladies and gentlemen, THIS is the Democratic Party in 2008. Could they win? Sure. Given these ironies SHOULD they win?
I'll let you decide that one. | |
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| Will The Democratic Party Heal Itself in Time?
Posted: 6/7/2008 12:10:45 PM | I think most of Middle America, the large Voting block, sees what has happened.
I'm a McCain supporter and not a Clinton supporter anymore so I will illustrate it via that means.
Two People who have worked for the People of the United States, served in the Military, and have vast knowledge of how to move the USA forward. (McCain and Hillary Clinton)...yet, the Democratic Party chose a man with little actual experience and a shady/racist background...hard to overlook... because why? That is what Middle America will be asking. There will be no good logical answer for them. | |
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| Will The Democratic Party Heal Itself in Time?
Posted: 6/7/2008 12:34:11 PM | Only if the women who wanted Hillary to win to show the world a woman can be president will vote for a black man to show the world a black man can be president.
This poster has not yet bridged the race and gender gaps. He will vote for McCain,, as he should, because he is old school.
There will be no good logical answer for them.
My answer is that he is a good and inspiring speaker who has a vision I agree with on how to proceed as a nation. I also agree with most of his positions on the issues facing us. Montreal guy posted the positons of both candidates on various issues last night. (he cited the Associated Press as his source) Your little experience/shady past argument doesn't hold water with me. | |
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| Will The Democratic Party Heal Itself in Time?
Posted: 6/7/2008 12:40:29 PM |
My answer is that he is a good and inspiring speaker who has a vision I agree with on how to proceed as a nation. I also agree with most of his positions on the issues facing us. Montreal guy posted the positons of both candidates on various issues last night. (he cited the Associated Press as his source)
That's cool. To each their own. I went to each web site and the government site to see the actual Records. Way too long to copy and paste here due to the years of Service by McCain and all of that would have to be considered for fair calculations.
But, I still stand on the premise that it is very ify as to whether or not the Democratic Party can heal in time.
Look back to when McCain lost to Bush. He immediately went out and to the people and campaigned for Bush... very aggressive for unity of the Rep. Party. Will H. Clinton do the same for Obama? If she does, it will be a closer race for the General Election. If she doesn't, the margin of win for McCain will be greater. | |
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| Will The Democratic Party Heal Itself in Time?
Posted: 6/7/2008 12:44:37 PM | It sure doesn't with me either, loveoregon but the McCainites have to gather some momentum from somewhere. How does outta the air sound? It sure as hell isn't gonna be from that *yawn* of a candidate.......ohhh dear. I don't think that was very nice really.  | |
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| Will The Democratic Party Heal Itself in Time?
Posted: 6/7/2008 12:47:57 PM |
Of course she will. She is a great politician and humanitarian in my view. She knows where we need to go.
Good deal! If she believes in her party and goes gung ho for Obama... it will be a close race b/w McCain and Obama, imho. | |
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| Will The Democratic Party Heal Itself in Time?
Posted: 6/7/2008 1:05:04 PM | I think the party will heal itself as soon as Hillary supporters realize that Obama and Hillary are spitting images of each other in regards to the issues. The Hillary supporters who were only for her because she is a woman can go ahead and vote republican. They were probably republican the whole time and was only on her bandwagon because there was a black man to rail against. True democrats who believe in the core values aren't going to betray themselves. We don't need the people who flip flop their loyalties to the party just because the Hillary didn't win. I'm more inclined to believe they are against the black man more than they are for McCain.
Speaking of McCain, I watched the Glenn Beck interview with Bob Barr and realized that he is going to be in the debates taking the conservative stance on immigration. McCain doesn't share that value with his base. I think the republicans need to worry about their party splitting as the democrats are uniting. | |
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| Will The Democratic Party Heal Itself in Time?
Posted: 6/7/2008 1:12:27 PM | Actually, as the polls indicate, McCain and Obama are running neck n neck. This, with all the publicity and 'in the news'... highlighting 'change', etc. etc. by the Media in favor of Obama. What does that say?
Here's an issue which hasn't been discussed...but, it's applicable to Party Unity.
In her speech, H. Clinton brought up, emphasized the Gays. Her words... not mine. Web sites are already buzzin' with the disgruntled Democrats - who, though for H. Clinton - do not share her views on Gays and wish she had not highlighted that. Some are saying they won't vote in Nov. Some are saying it's just too much of a divide b/w H. Clinton and Obama and are switching to McCain.
Time will tell. | |
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| Will The Democratic Party Heal Itself in Time?
Posted: 6/7/2008 6:12:07 PM | It's stunts and little so-called 'slips' like that and people wonder why she lost, why she doesn't speak for millions of those who didn't vote for her.
She never spoke for me; she never will. | |
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| Will The Democratic Party Heal Itself in Time?
Posted: 6/7/2008 6:23:23 PM | She ran a bad campaign and Obama ran a good campaign. If Dems don't vote for him because she made a lot of bad decisions, it says more about them than anyone else.
I think it's going to be a landslide. Obama already has a slight lead and during half of this primary McCain has had nothing to do but make speeches and raise money. Not good considering all the kneecapping Clinton did to Obama.
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| Will The Democratic Party Heal Itself in Time?
Posted: 6/7/2008 6:28:20 PM | Yes, the party will heal in due time. Obama has done a remarkable job in his campaign, and looks rational compared to McInsane. Hillary has finally conceded, and seems to be ready to move on. It is others that are trying to push for her to be VP. Obama is unlikely to pick her as veep because they don't have the right chemistry to work together. However, Hillary could end up being in a cabinet position.
Just wait till the debates: I look forward to watching McSame lose his temper, while Obama keeps calm no matter what is thrown at him. | |
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| Will The Democratic Party Heal Itself in Time?
Posted: 6/7/2008 6:30:36 PM |
Do you think the Democratic Party will heal itself in time for the election?
Yes, I think now that Sen. Clinton is on board the Democratic Party family will be fine, as long as we keep the focus on the issues and the fact that Sen. McCain represents another Bush term. 
Have you seen the love fest for Sen Clinton on the Obama website? Her pic and 'Thank You Senator Clinton' is the first thing you see when you log on.
http://www.barackobama.com/index.php
Obama 2008  | |
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| Will The Democratic Party Heal Itself in Time?
Posted: 6/7/2008 6:41:44 PM |
Just wait till the debates: I look forward to watching McSame lose his temper, while Obama keeps calm no matter what is thrown at him.
I'm looking around now, just on the forum, and the negative naming I see is b/w the H. Clinton camp (McSame, etc.) and the Obama camp (Shillery, etc.).
Let's all join hands and look through the pages, the threads and see what 'names' the McCain supporters are throwing out there. | |
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| Will The Democratic Party Heal Itself in Time?
Posted: 6/7/2008 7:22:31 PM | | I know everyone is anxious to know my opinion on whether the Democratic Party will heal in time.. j/k...I'm getting really mixed feeling listening to different opinions from all over the US... personally I don't think it will heal if Obama picks Clinton for his VP... there are too many bad vibes about what the voters would do. | |
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| Will The Democratic Party Heal Itself in Time?
Posted: 6/7/2008 7:28:31 PM |
Let's all join hands and look through the pages, the threads and see what 'names' the McCain supporters are throwing out there. Well, there's: young black boy, cabin boy, washroom attendent, muslim and black supremist just to name a few. | |
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| Will The Democratic Party Heal Itself in Time?
Posted: 6/7/2008 7:36:16 PM |
Well, there's: young black boy, cabin boy, washroom attendent, muslim and black supremist just to name a few.
Interesting... I haven't seen those except where it is quoted what Obama has said himself repeatedly. Can you point them out? Thanks. I'm really curious.
I've seen Shillery and McSame quite often and recently. | |
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