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| Iran warning Israel of a very painful response if it launched a military strike
Posted: 6/10/2008 4:33:38 AM | | Looks to me like Iran is telling you that to make an unprevoked attack on her would result in a Middle Eastern conflagration unlike anything seen before. Makes sense really, you didn't think you would get the same level of capitulation you saw from the Iraqi army under Saddam did you?. War with Iran will result in millions of deaths at a time when peace is nearly upon us. Any war or conflict with Iran must be avoided at all costs and that means we must all do what we can to prevent it. America, Israel, the UK and all other nations sick of this unenecessary killing should offer our fullest support to the United Nations and others fighting for peace in this region. | |
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| Iran warning Israel of a very painful response if it launched a military strike
Posted: 6/10/2008 6:14:53 AM | | well, lets see, Israel gets to keep the West Bank and Gaza strip another decade or so, gas goes up to $25 a gallon so the goverment gets to decide who moves and who doesnt move nd Big Oil is happy ...........seems like a win-win to me if we bomb Iran. Oh, and the fact that we dont have a shred of evidence to produce that their nuclear facilities arent everything they say, since when does proof matter? | |
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| Iran warning Israel of a very painful response if it launched a military strike
Posted: 6/10/2008 6:56:56 AM |
War with Iran will result in millions of deaths at a time when peace is nearly upon us
Israel is going to do what Israel wants to do...just like Iran does what it wants. If they want to go at it...let them. Peace will get here when both want it...or a loser begs for it.
Yes peace in the middle east is making great strides now...Irans leadership has a choice to make or have it made for them. The millions of deaths is probably an overestimate of what would happen, but Iran is the one with the choice. | |
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| Iran warning Israel of a very painful response if it launched a military strike
Posted: 6/10/2008 9:43:24 AM | Could you please explain to me what this choice the Iranian people have is?.
What is it you would ask them to do?. When you told Saddam Hussain that he needed to allow total and unfetted access to his country for the weapons inspectors he did so and for years we found nothing. Didn't stop us attacking Iraq did it?. Looks like having the weapons inspectors worked. You now have the same people telling you the same things about Iran as they did with Iraq and you still believe them. How can you possibly expect any other nation on earth to support you.
I cannot imagine any way in which the things you fear can happen again without the burden of proof you thought so unnecessary last time?. The nations of the world will unite against your country and it will be recognised as the greatest threat to world peace that ever existed. Even you with your great war machine could not defeat the United Nations of this earth if they stand against you. You would be brought to your knees within days of any such attack.
Not only would no other nation on earth stand with you, most of the American people wouldn't either. Fool me once...........etc.
Just what is it that the Iranians have done or are doing that represents such a threat to you and your nation?.
You are starting to be consumed by your fears. If you would sanction the destruction of Iran because you 'think' they 'might' one day attack you, then you will have to attack almost every other nation on this planet who aspires to the possession of weapons of mass destruction and has some grievance with the USA, and they will be many if Iran is attacked. You need to address the reasons you 'think' someone hates you enough to even want to develop WMD. Mostly it's been driven by the people you fear having them and lots of nations who have developed them so far are now starting to see how little comfort ad security they have given us all.
maybe it's time for America and Great Britain to announce an end to their own neuclear asperations and disarm our own neuclear capabilities. After all, we don't ever intend to use them again, do we? | |
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| Iran warning Israel of a very painful response if it launched a military strike
Posted: 6/10/2008 10:41:23 AM | Come on all of you big strong men,
Uncle Sam needs your help again.
He's got himself in a terrible jam
Way down yonder in I-ran
So put down your books and pick up a gun,
We're gonna have a whole lotta fun.
And it's one, two, three,
What are we fighting for?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn,
Next stop is in I-ran;
And it's five, six, seven,
Open up the pearly gates,
Well there ain't no time to wonder why,
Whoopee! we're all gonna die.
Come on generals, let's move fast;
Your big chance has come at last.
Gotta go out and get the ragheads —
The only good A-rab is one that's dead
You know that peace can only be won
When we've blown 'em all to kingdom come.
Come on Wall Street, don't move slow,
Hey man, this is war au-go-go.
There's plenty good money to be made
Supplying the Army with the tools of the trade,
Just hope and pray that if they drop the bomb,
They drop it squarely on downtown Tehran.
Come on mothers throughout the land,
Get your boys packed up for I-ran.
Come on fathers, don't hesitate,
Get your boys signed up before it's too late.
You can be the first one on your block
To have your boy come home in a box.
And it's one, two, three,
What are we fighting for?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn,
because the next stop ………..is I-ran; | |
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| Iran warning Israel of a very painful response if it launched a military strike
Posted: 6/10/2008 11:04:57 AM |
Iran, whose President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad sparked international outrage in 2005 by calling for Israel to be "wiped off the map," has threatened to retaliate for any attack with missile salvoes against Israel and U.S. targets in the Gulf.
Well, if the reporter can't even get the quote straight....
We've discussed that one before, in many threads, no need to go over it.
I'm certainly no fan of Ahmadinejad, nor are many people in Iran. He's not even the leader of the country, and he's facing some pretty real opposition there. I did an entire thread about that very issue.
That Iran is saying they will counter-attack if hit isn't really a great surprise. If people keep beating the war drums, and speaking about attacking Iran - what do you expect them to say ?
Go right ahead ?
As for Iran's intentions, they probably will work towards building a bomb. Iraq has shown , not just to them, but to all countries that having WMD's (especially nuclear weapons) is needed.
That's why places like North Korea are safe.
Iran represents roughly ten percent of Islam.
Ninety percent of Islam is opposed to Iran , on religious grounds.
Iran also knows that if they nuke Israel, they will trigger their own destruction - from Israel's three Dolphin class subs, any Israeli military resources left after an attempted attack, the USA, possibly the West....and most of the Sunni Arab world.
The Israeli's also have Patriot missiles, and their own ABM systems. There's a good chance that an Iranian missile strike might not even succeed, simply due to that.
All that said, MAD works just as well there as it did when the USA and the Soviet Union were squaring off against one another. | |
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| Iran warning Israel of a very painful response if it launched a military strike
Posted: 6/10/2008 11:25:30 AM |
And it's five, six, seven,
Open up the pearly gates,
Well there ain't no time to wonder why,
Whoopee! we're all gonna die.
I know I’m going to catch hell for saying this but…
How is it that “Good Christians” can go to war kill then expect to get into heaven? I’ve never understood that.
Soldier gets to the pearly gates.
Soldier … So can I come in?
Saint Peter… No sorry you killed 3 people. Thou shall not kill.
Soldier… No I didn’t!
Saint Peter… Yes you did in Iraq in June 2006, it was a Tuesday…
Soldier… But it was a WAR!
Saint Peter… So, you think that gives you a pass?
Soldier… But Bush told me to!
Saint Peter… Yeah I know we didn’t let him in ether.
I mean if “I was ordered to” didn’t work at Nuremburg why should it work at the gates of heaven… | |
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| Iran warning Israel of a very painful response if it launched a military strike
Posted: 6/10/2008 11:27:24 AM |
Irans leadership has a choice to make or have it made for them
Did say Irans people?...said Irans leadership. Far as I know the people don't have much choice in Iran.
When you told Saddam Hussain that he needed to allow total and unfetted access to his country for the weapons inspectors he did so and for years we found nothing. Didn't stop us attacking Iraq did it?
Would have been a good idea for Saddam to let the unfetted inspections continue then. He had a choice like Iran does...and played games like Iran does. In both cases I don't think either the Iranian or Iraqi people had much choice in any of it.
I don't sense much fear in me or the US government about it. Most the fear is on the other side.
maybe it's time for America and Great Britain to announce an end to their own neuclear asperations and disarm our own neuclear capabilities. After all, we don't ever intend to use them again, do we?
Nope...don't think we intend to use them...but would we...yep...we did and probably would again if it came down to it. If you want to take them away...nothing is stopping anyone for making the effort. | |
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| Iran warning Israel of a very painful response if it launched a military strike
Posted: 6/10/2008 8:27:34 PM | The Americans who want guns in their homes for protection and as the ultimate deterrence should understand the desire for nuclear power on the part of a nation like Iran (covertly "regime changed" already once by the US -- in '53, subject to the constant looming threat of war from either American or Israel over the past 4 or 5 yrs, with the threatening superpower on their doorstep -- how did Americans react when the Soviet Union wanted to place missiles in Cuba??).
Granted, the present day-to-day leadership of Iran (ie, Ahmadinejad and his "administration") is bad; radical, always ready with the saber-rattling rhetoric, and just as disturbingly religiously fundamentalist as many in the Bush administration have been. But the people of Iran are not, by and large, the enemies of Americans. Their respective gov'ts' mutual belligerence holds all of the hundreds of millions of people in both countries hostage, in a sense, to this constant climate of fear and warmongering, the threat of constantly looming war, the kind of villification and dehumanization which allows people here to say such things as "nuke Iran" without even considering what that actually means on the ground......and so forth.
Regardless of their majority disapproval of Ahmadinejad, if they are invaded by Israel or the US the people will be pushed into the arms (so to speak) of Ahmadinejad and the more belligerent of the ayatollah ruling council. This is much the same as Americans, in general strongly disliking Bush , would nonetheless likely rally towards him if invaded or bombed by Iran. An aerial bombing campaign / invasion will have the opposite of the desired effect and will ignite an insurgency that makes Iraq's look like a mild disagreement amongst old friends. Furthermore, every foreign jihaadist who can do so would or will flock to Iran as the new testing and training grounds -- regardless of Sunni or Shi'ite, Arab or Persian or other. The most religious Muslims will set that aside at that point, I firmly believe, in order to work at expelling the non-Muslim invaders. Worldwide terrorism will likely start flaring once again in major cities. Gas prices will go (even further) through the roof. Overall, a complete nightmare scenario. | |
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| Iran warning Israel of a very painful response if it launched a military strike
Posted: 6/11/2008 3:34:35 AM |
The United States accuses Iran of secretly seeking to build nuclear bombs. Tehran says its nuclear program is solely for power generation to meet the demands of its oil-rich economy.
The Iranians aren't stupid. They see what happened to Iraq and they know with an election coming up in the US in the fall, ANYTHING is possible. They have countries on both sides of them occupied by American troops and a US president whom makes Kellie Pickler look like a genius when it comes to international knowledge. If Iran wants to stay a soverign nation they desperately need to develop nuclear weapons to keep the US in it's place.
I find it very hypicritical for the US with it's thousands of nuclear weapons to demand that other not develop any at all. They NEED them to keep us at bay. | |
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| Iran warning Israel of a very painful response if it launched a military strike
Posted: 6/11/2008 3:38:51 AM | | I also wonder how many of the people here realize how hard it would be for Israel to carry out any attack on Iran. They might can lob a few missles over, but airstrikes are out of the question. They would have to fight through several countries just to get to the Iranian border, and all but the extreme western regions of the country are out of range if they even get that far. | |
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| Iran warning Israel of a very painful response if it launched a military strike
Posted: 6/11/2008 5:51:21 PM | Of course they will say they will give a strong response. Wouldn't you if you were threatened.
All they have to do is come clean to the U.N. on their "energy only" nuclear program, to avoid confrontation.
Will that happen? Does the Iranian president really want peace with Israel?
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/10/27/ahmadinejad.reaction/
"If they carry on like this, the question people are going to be asking us is, 'When are you going to do something about this,' because you imagine a state like that with an attitude like that having a nuclear weapon."
Ahmadinejad comments were made during a meeting with protesting students at Iran's Interior Ministry.
He quoted a remark from Ayatollah Khomeini, founder of Iran's Islamic revolution, that Israel "must be wiped out from the map of the world."
The president then said: "And God willing, with the force of God behind it, we shall soon experience a world without the United States and Zionism," according to a quote published by Iran's state news outlet, the Islamic Republic News Agency.
The remarks by Ahmadinejad coincided with a month-long protest against Israel called "World Without Zionism" and with the approach of Jerusalem Day.
In Washington, U.S. State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said Ahmadinejad's views "underscores our concern and the international community's concerns about Iran's pursuit of nuclear weapons."
Ottawa also issued a strong rebuke, with Canadian Foreign Minister Pierre Pettigrew saying: "We cannot tolerate comments of such hatred, such anti-Semitism, such intolerance. These comments are all the more troubling given that we know of Iran's nuclear ambitions.
Yeah, Ahmadinejad wants peace. | |
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| Iran warning Israel of a very painful response if it launched a military strike
Posted: 6/12/2008 2:41:39 AM | Did it ever occur to you that the elected president of Iran might just be saying these things as a result of the continued inferences from the American government and the presidential candidates that 'all options are open'. What do you think this means and how would you react if you were the Iranian leader?.
Thats how this political posturing crap works, world leaders threaten each other beyond all reasonable understanding and mostly without real intention of actually doing what they say. Do you think America would really launch neuclear weapons against a nation unable to defend itself?. Who would you think the real terrorists are if they did that?.
Where do you get this absolute certainty that Iran has neuclear weapons asperations?. It's not what the United Nation international weapons inspectorate say they are doing. Most insepctors are finding no more to be concerned about with Iran than was found with Iraq. Iraq had none, and we were told that by everyone except our leaders who deliberately lied to us all. We know that is true and yet when they try to do the EXACT same thing again many seem happy just to accept it.
Talk about a world gone mad. We are happy to see the deaths of millions of people on the offchance that someone without the capability to endanger us in anyway might just attack us in ten years or so.
Seems to me that now would be a good time to bury bad news. Ever wondered why we are upgrading our own neuclear arsenal? Going to cost you and me more money than we have spent on housing, schools and the NHS in the last ten years. Money we'll spend for something that affords us absolutely zero protection from anyone and gives us a destructive capability we never intend to use. Lets show Iran we mean business when it comes to neuclear weapons and other WMD and stop developing them ourselves.
The hypocrasy of the British and American leadership is unbelievable and I fail to understand why we choose to ignore the real solution to this problem which is to welcome Iran and her peaceful people into a neuclear weapons free world by disarming our own weapons first.
We are more in danger from accidents with our own weapons and power stations than we are from Iran. Three mile Island, Chernoble, several other 'nearly' disasters have all happened without terrorism or terrorists. The neuclear plant in Cumbia has been discharging radioactive waste into the North Sea now for decades. The entire North West coastline is strewn with low level radioactive waste as is now the northern coast of Ireland and many scandinavian countries. The North Sea is, as it has been for decades, one of our primary sources of fish, particularly cod. Every time you feed yourself fish and chips or give fish fingers to your children they are eating fish that has been swimming around in human effulent and radioactive contamination.
The government wants to build more neuclear reactor plants. We would have to be insane to think that this will not lead to some form of disaster in the future. It's a much greater danger to us than Iran will ever be.
If Iran need energy to develop than we should be helping her to develop environmentally friendly technologies. | |
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| Iran warning Israel of a very painful response if it launched a military strike
Posted: 6/12/2008 5:49:46 AM | sanderick, Iran had 8 bloody years of war with Iraq in its recent history, my guess is that they do NOT want more military conflict at this time ....much less with such lethal powers as the US and Israel....and this is Ahmahamed posturing and mouthing off, probably because his popularity and reelectibility are questionable.
Dont get your panties in a bunch over it. | |
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| Iran warning Israel of a very painful response if it launched a military strike
Posted: 6/12/2008 8:03:41 AM | ^^ I agree. And furthermore, again what some of these anti-Iran people don't appear to get is the fact that Ahmadinejad does not have the power to order an attack or start a war with anyone. It all has to go through the supreme ruling council, and, though they are obviously pious religious men, they are not so warlike and given to saber-rattling as Ahmadinejad is. Not even half so much as Khameini's predecessor Khomeini was. Khameini has even issued, in 2005, a fatwa against the stockpiling and use of nuclear weapons and has stated , contrary to Ahmadinejad's rhetoric, that Iran is not threatening and will not ever threaten anyone (in regards to Ahmadinejad's commentaries on Israel).
All that country needs is $upport to its burgeoning democratic underground, and time. Barring anything like that happening (I'm thinking of new revolution there basically; this time a democratic "counter-Islamic" revolution), then what needs to , and what I believe eventually will , happen there is for another reformist like Rafsanjani to be elected. He wanted peace and better relations with the US. He is of the business class, and is opposed to the ideological extremism of Ahmadinejad. If a realistic reform-minded president such as him is elected, and the GOP (especially this administration) is no longer running Washington, then with fresh perspectives on both sides and with some slightly more open minds and less militant leadership (on both sides) we might actually get somewhere without there having to be any bloodshed yet again. | |
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| Iran warning Israel of a very painful response if it launched a military strike
Posted: 6/12/2008 8:23:54 AM |
And it's one, two, three,
What are we fighting for?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn,
because the next stop ………..is I-ran;
Come on now.....too many people here have no clue about Country Joe and aren't even old enough to remember any of this,much less be smart enough to look up the cause and affect of this particular piece of[great by the way]music. | |
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| Iran warning Israel of a very painful response if it launched a military strike
Posted: 6/12/2008 8:32:57 AM |
maybe it's time for America and Great Britain to announce an end to their own neuclear asperations and disarm our own neuclear capabilities. After all, we don't ever intend to use them again, do we?
It does provide us the ability to create the greatest mirror in the worlds eyes.....may just be a necessity.Let's hope not but I think I prefer having the ability as opposed to being the one going "Oh S hit" one day when I am out washing the windows. | |
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| Iran warning Israel of a very painful response if it launched a military strike
Posted: 6/12/2008 8:43:51 AM | sanderick, well, the "new Hitler" thing reminds me of one of those carnival games with the air rifles hitting the pop-up targets, except each one is a "new Hitler".
I think it's just great that you can slap the "new Hitler" label on anyone who might stand up to the Empire or its centurions and have anything to say other than complete and total subservience to our manifest destiny........ how simple, slap the new Hitler label on them and shoot em down like at a carnival. 
You know, I happen to think that we are a whole lot smarter than that and we can handle Ahmahamed and all the new Hitlers like him if we wanted to... he's a little guy, it's a little country .... I dont think we really need to be so stupid and brutish to even consider a war with such a little place.....
It's not like they are really a threat to us, just a nuisance. ....and a very convenient nuisance, I might add, for people who make their monies in the defense and oil industries and dont have the balls or the brains to tackle the real issues at home, too. | |
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