| Should camelot payout winnings to people with serious criminal records.
Posted: 6/10/2008 2:59:50 PM | MAKES MY BLOOD BOIL!!!!!!!!
yet again, another low life with a serious criminal record, wins a fortune on the lotto, (that was set up to aid charities). i find it disgusting that someone like him can live in the lap of luxury now when victims of crime get a pittance it there lucky, and a t worst, bugger all.
isnt it about time that camelot takes a leaf out of "who wants to be a millionaire", and withholds winnings of people with serious criminal records. this money then could then be used to aid and assit the victims of crime. | |
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| Should camelot payout winnings to people with serious criminal records.
Posted: 6/10/2008 3:07:33 PM | criminals serving prison sentences should not be allowed to buy lottery tickets but if they have served their time and are now free, they have just as much right to buy a ticket as everyone else. It seems people only complain when they win, they don't complain about the £100's they pay in over the years by buying tickets and winning nothing.
As for the victims , they can take court action for compensation
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/jan/30/ukcrime.davidbatty | |
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| Should camelot payout winnings to people with serious criminal records.
Posted: 6/10/2008 3:19:14 PM | why should an ex offender with a serious criminal record enjoy the trappings of luxury , when their victims get next to nothing ( they may go to court , may be awarded compensation , but how often do they actually recieve it )
im not talking about some little scrote who steals a car , im talking about rapists ( who ruin peoples lives ) paedophiles ( who scar their victims for life ) , and murderers .
the legal system is always on the side of the criminal , the victims of crime sometimes have to live with what was done to them for the rest of their lives , they dont just forget about it because the perpetrator has served his ( most of the time lenient ) sentence . | |
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| Should camelot payout winnings to people with serious criminal records.
Posted: 6/10/2008 3:24:58 PM | if a rapist serves his time and buys a ticket he is entitled to win - his victim has exactly the same right and the same chances of winning
money and driving luxury cars would not make any difference to the victim anyway - would they feel less violated if they were dressed in designer clothes? | |
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| Should camelot payout winnings to people with serious criminal records.
Posted: 6/10/2008 3:29:23 PM | Perhaps if the people who are perpetrated against (if in a position to do so) then see that these people now have the wealth to compensate them with then that may well be a better solution.
I think its a bit too much of an extreme view that all serious criminals should not be able to play & win...there is the addage of doing the time & then changing your life around as well.....everyone should be given an opportunity to try & at least prove they are reformed otherwise the criminal just reverts back to what they know. | |
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| Should camelot payout winnings to people with serious criminal records.
Posted: 6/10/2008 3:47:40 PM | | As has already been said, they bought a ticket, they got lucky, as much as you find it "unfair" that is how gambling works. As long as they didn't break any rules to get that win how can you expect to deny them their winnings? And as to the Who Wants to be a Millionaire thing, they didn't stop a criminal from getting winnings, they stopped someone who cheated, and so wasn't entitled to the winnings. The fact they had a criminal record was immaterial. | |
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| Should camelot payout winnings to people with serious criminal records.
Posted: 6/10/2008 4:00:35 PM | on the who wants to ba a millionaire issue, i think yll find that there was a winner on the show, who had his winnings witheld because it was discovered that he had a criminal record. as it states in the rules of the show, that yr not allowed to participate if u had a criminal record. it has nothing to do with a coughing cheat.
i like to see that there are so many liberal views when it comes to the fact of a rapist and paedophile gettin wealthy off the backs of charities and good causes.
perhaps you would all feel the same way if a terrorist won and spent his winnings blowing up innocent people!!! | |
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| Should camelot payout winnings to people with serious criminal records.
Posted: 6/10/2008 4:12:04 PM |
i like to see that there are so many liberal views when it comes to the fact of a rapist and paedophile gettin wealthy off the backs of charities and good causes. perhaps you would all feel the same way if a terrorist won and spent his winnings blowing up innocent people!!!
Bit of a very extreme vew to take it right out that way but I'm sure the police & her majesty's government may well have a little something to say about the terrorist option that you gave.
I didn't actually state that I would like to see that paedophile's & rapist's getting rich off good causes....but then you also don't give any plaudits to the fact that they are backing good causes by purchasing a lottery ticket.
I'll still stand by the original post I made that perpetrators of crimes do have a right in our democratic country to try & prove they are reformed & denying them any form of opportunity to a degree is a breach of civil liberties. And as someone else stated where do you draw the line? Should someone banned from driving not be allowed to buy a car? Should a smoker be refused health treatment because they smoke? Or perhaps rapists should be denied relationships because they raped someon? Not meaning to make light of people who commit such an appalling act but there has to be some common sense & unless it can be proved that someone who is a winner of the prize is using it to further criminal activity then you have to let it lie.
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| Should camelot payout winnings to people with serious criminal records.
Posted: 6/10/2008 4:13:11 PM |
i think yll find that there was a winner on the show, who had his winnings witheld because it was discovered that he had a criminal record. Fair enough, I hadn't heard of that, but I shan't argue
as it states in the rules of the show, that yr not allowed to participate if u had a criminal record. Then he broke the rules.
i like to see that there are so many liberal views when it comes to the fact of a rapist and paedophile gettin wealthy off the backs of charities and good causes. They are getting rich because they gamble and win. The lottery is not a good cause. It is a bet. It's a bloody long odds bet at that, and the winnings really aren't up to the odds of winning, but that is a different discussion for another day. The fact Camelot gives money to charities and good causes isn't from a sense of good will towards man, it is how they got a license to rip the public off, and many of those "good causes" are decided by the needs and wants of the government making the lottery essentially a tax on the poor, desperate, and stupid. But none of this means it is fair or just to deny someone the right to play just because you don't like them.
I don't particularly like the fact criminals can win the lottery, but if they have served their sentence I don't see why they have to continue to be condemned. Like it or not Some gamblers win, even the not very nice ones. | |
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| Should camelot payout winnings to people with serious criminal records.
Posted: 6/10/2008 10:40:47 PM | The Lottery set up to benefit charities??? Don't make me laugh!!! It was set up to make a profit for a PLC. If charity was the main concern then Branson's not for profit proposal would have been accepted when the rights came up a few years back. Camelot makes millions for shareholders and pays millions in tax and THAT is the reason the Lotto exists. The small amount they give to "worthy" causes is tax deductable and so isn't really the whole point.
How do you stop EX criminals from buying a ticket? National ID card anyone???
Does that mean ex cons shouldn't be allowed into a bookie's? Or be allowed to play on fruit machines? Surely that is also making money off "honest" people too? As is having a job. Is this to be banned as well? | |
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| Should camelot payout winnings to people with serious criminal records.
Posted: 6/10/2008 11:53:30 PM | ive never heard anything quite soo ridiculous..
you pay your money you take your chance.. the 2 arguments are totally unrelated..
it should not be a case of how do you stop criminals from getting a lottery ticket.. but why would you..?
you commit a crime and you are punished for it, sent to prison fined etc, if you feel the punishment doesnt fit the crime then campaign for higher tougher sentences, but to take away someones freedom of choice once they have paid their dues is wrong... | |
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| Should camelot payout winnings to people with serious criminal records.
Posted: 6/11/2008 1:05:58 AM |
Anyone with a criminal record should be banned from buying a lottery ticket.
Why?
I agree that while in prison, offenders shouldn't be allowed to buy tickets but when they've done their time and are back in society, why shouldn't they be allowed?
What about those who really are rehabilitated? | |
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| Should camelot payout winnings to people with serious criminal records.
Posted: 6/11/2008 1:36:47 AM | | I dont see how it could possibly work, are we looking at doing a full background check on anyone who wins a tenner? or buys a ticket even? I can see your point, but if you can buy a ticket, you can win, simple as that, I'd be more angry if said criminal or ex-con whatever was living the high life off the proceeds of crime, and there are plenty that do, and rub our noses in it, and some are even revered as local celebrities, and openly boast of their wrongdoings and how they got away with them, gimme a good honest time-served rehabilitated lottery winner anyday! | |
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| Should camelot payout winnings to people with serious criminal records.
Posted: 6/11/2008 2:57:39 AM | Its the lottery, anyone can play.
You couldn't take the persons money to buy a ticket every week and then discriminate against them by not giving them the money if they won. The only way you could do it is to stop them from playing in the first place. But then it's not really a "national" lottery anymore.
Yes it sucks when these horrible people win. It seems very unfair indeed. Life does seem to have a way of working out in the end though, and all things tend to happen for a reason. | |
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