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 Detritus

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Posted: 6/11/2008 2:55:19 PM
Those on the left have a real problem with honest debate on many issues, and unfortunately for them, this is one that the majority of "mainstream" Americans are no longer ignoring. If the democrats are incapable of or unwilling to succumb to the wishes of their constituents, the voting public will find suitable replacements, almost anyone from main street America could govern better than rich lawyers.



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House Subcommittee Rejects Plan to Open U.S. Waters to More Oil Exploration

Wednesday, June 11, 2008

WASHINGTON — A House subcommittee has rejected a Republican-led effort to open up more U.S. coastal waters to oil exploration.

Rep. John Peterson, R-Pa., spearheaded the effort. His proposal would open up U.S. waters between 50 and 200 miles off shore for drilling. The first 50 miles off shore would be left alone.
But the plan failed Wednesday on a 9-6, party-line vote in a House appropriations subcommittee, which was considering the proposal as part of an Interior Department spending package.
With record oil prices and gas prices projected to hover around the $4 mark for the rest of the summer, Republicans have ratcheted up their efforts to open up oil exploration along U.S. coastline. But the long-sought change has so far been unsuccessful.

Most offshore oil production and exploration has been banned since a federal law passed in 1981.
"We are kidding ourselves if we think we can drill our way out of these problems," House Appropriations Committee Chairman David Obey, D-Wis., said during the bill mark-up session.
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., criticized Democrats, including fellow Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., over recent comments Obama made regarding gas prices.

The comments that McConnell referred to were given during an interview with CNBC. Discussing rising gasoline prices, Obama said: "I think that I would have preferred a gradual adjustment. The fact that this is such a shock to American pocketbooks is not a good thing.
Obama also said that "if we take some steps right now to help people make the adjustment, first of all by putting more money into their pockets, but also by encouraging the market to adapt to these new circumstances more quickly, particularly U.S. automakers, then I think ultimately, we can come out of this stronger and have a more efficient energy policy than we do right now.

McConnell, honing in on Obama's referral to "gradual" price increases, said Obama's remarks are evidence that Obama believes "rising gas prices aren't the problem. The problem, he suggested, is that they've gone up too fast. He said he would prefer a gradual adjustment."

He continued: "Whether it's shutting down domestic exploration in large areas both onshore and offshore, instituting a moratorium on oil shale development, increasing the gas tax, or refusing to pursue coal to liquids, Democrats long ago implemented a 'gradual adjustment' on gas prices that's reflected today in the $4.05 Americans are paying for a gallon of gas."

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Were congress honest they would impose a "windfall profits" tax on their own house. On average profits per gallon of gas are as follows:

Proprietor 2%, Oil Companies 4%, Federal Tax 15%.

4% going to "big oil" is above their current 10-12% level per barrel of oil, however, unlike government, "big oil" profits are used for payroll, refinery cost, transportation of refined product, shareholder returns, R/D, minimal exploration and more.

Due to political mandates, America's "big oil" companies control less than 3% of US consumption. "Big oil" has no more control over the price of crude than Americans have over their own house and senate members.
 Steven02151

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Posted: 6/11/2008 3:22:45 PM
"We are kidding ourselves if we think we can drill our way out of these problems," House Appropriations Committee Chairman David Obey, D-Wis., said during the bill mark-up session.

That sounds to me like an honest debate.

What do you suppose David Obey is saying here?
 nefarious101

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Posted: 6/11/2008 3:54:27 PM

Were congress honest they would impose a "windfall profits" tax on their own house. On average profits per gallon of gas are as follows:


Sure...keep supply tight...make it tough to find the energy we need...then make it an election issue. I suppose raising taxes would be a sure fire way of fixing the problem?...use less?...give up more of our standard of living?
 TradurGurl

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Posted: 6/11/2008 4:27:44 PM
Who keeps trying to get all the threads started by Conservatives deleted? Has anyone else noticed how often this has been tried in the last month?

I guess Congress and the liberal media aren't the only ones trying to silence us.
 nefarious101

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Posted: 6/11/2008 4:39:42 PM

Who keeps trying to get all the threads started by Conservatives deleted?


lol...I wonder
 huukdonfoniks

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Posted: 6/11/2008 5:04:29 PM
Off shore drilling should have started years ago. ANWR should have been tapped years ago. More refineries should have been built years ago. Ridiculous "boutique" gasolines required by different states should have been abandoned years ago. More nuclear power plants should have been built years ago. And on and on and on....

A major reason we are in this situation is because the left has opposed all of the above. Stir in higher taxes and restrictions on businesses and we have a recipe for disaster.

Lord help us if the Socialists' wet dream, Hopey McChangey gets elected.
 Simlasa

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Posted: 6/11/2008 5:40:01 PM
How much oil is actually in these places?
Anyone have up-to-date 'accurate' measurements of that?
I know the USGS is doing a new survey in ANWR but I don't think it's out yet.
Is it really enough oil to pull our fat out of the fire?
For how long?
Will it be just enough of a reprieve so that people will go back to their wasteful ways until those reserves dry out?
I assume any oil out of those areas will add into the international supply... so is it enough that it would actually lower the cost of oil all that much?

I'd be all for nuclear power if someone could come up with a good idea of what to do with the waste for the next 20,000+ years... other than burying it in my backyard.

As it is I think high gas prices are a mixed blessing... it's hard on the economy, but it's getting people to drive more efficient vehicles, drive less, use more public transport, start gardening at home, shopping for more local products. If gas dropped to $2.00 a gallon tomorrow people would go right back to driving solo in ridiculously huge vehicles...
It seems like if we were to open up our LAST reserves of domestic oil we do so in the most conservation-minded way possible... not as some opportunity to put our heads back in the sand.

Edit:
I did a bit of research.
This references a somewhat recent study, the newest I have found so far.


The Energy Information Administration (EIA) estimates that if the green light is given it would take 7 to 12 years to sell leases, do permitting, environmental reviews, etc. and that initial production could start in 2010 at the earliest. Assuming an optimistic scenario in which the mean expected technically recoverable oil in the entire coastal plain (not just the 1002 area) - 10.3 billion barrels - could be completely recovered (i.e. ignoring market pricing) the EIA estimates production of 600 million barrels a year. In comparison, US daily consumption is 18.5 million barrels a day, or 6,752 million barrels a year. Thus in this scenario ANWR, once on tap, would provide less than 9% of US annual usage (given that usage is trending upward..). Assuming a less positive scenario, at a market price of $24/barrel the mean estimated commercially recoverable oil is 5.2 billion barrels, and since the oil is in multiple plays rather than one large play the costs of exploting the oil will be higher.


So it doesn't sound like any quick fix is coming from ANWR.




 hollywoodbabylon

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Posted: 6/11/2008 5:44:52 PM
As a democrat (or Canadian liberal equivalent) I feel the need to defend my side of the political spectrum. I am an environmentalist, but also, an economics student with a realistic outlook on our current world order. America/Canada have been immensely affected by recent oil market peakism (ie. adequate supply, yet intense international demand coupled with the realization of a finite future. obviously resulting in higher price). This trend has the potential to ruin our standard of living and threatens years of economic progress dependent on oil under 200$ per barrel. If that price were to tip over the mark, grave consequences on suburban living, food markets, commodity expenditure, international relations, and capitalism itself would be apparent. So yes, offshore drilling on the American coast line is an essential step to maintaining our current socioeconomic structure. This is especially true when considering the vast over-estimation of international oil control profit. Securing a national source before financial implications are overbearing would at the very least provide a societal buffer/transition period if international supply failed. Unfortunately, the real issue at hand is our future in general. This article has undoubtedly shed some light on the inevitable truth; we live in an unsustainable culture. I dont agree with the position of Democrats on this issue, but if these types of endeavors were never challenged, there would be no movement towards a less consumption driven society. Too many conservatives deny that our world order is being challenged by factors beyond our control. The steps our government takes now truly define our future species survival, and its glaringly apparent that certain free trade practices reduce economic welfare. In summation, everyone, despite ideological differences, is faced with levels of uncertainty. The disintegration of illogical barriers is the only method of reaching a truly beneficial consensus in which our future relies.
 themadfiddler

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Posted: 6/11/2008 5:49:27 PM


Who keeps trying to get all the threads started by Conservatives deleted? Has anyone else noticed how often this has been tried in the last month?

I guess Congress and the liberal media aren't the only ones trying to silence us.


"Silence you??"

Just a thought but uh....as gently as I can put this to anyone worried about "Conservative" posts being deleted or the "troof" being silenced..."Get over yourself."

What any one particular person has to say is just not so important that on these pages it cannot be done without being posted according to the very simple and agreeable rules of the forums...which by and large are the only reason posts get deleted.

No secret agendas, no evil bias against you...no fluoride...no Major League baseball satellite beaming images into your brain...no Illuminutty. And frankly there is nothing so important being said on a web forum here that it is being silenced by being deleted. Horseapples...such utter hubris...it boggles the mind I tell ya.

You want your posts to make it past a week, here's a simple hint or three:

Don't troll.
Don't flame anyone.
Don't get in the moderator's face, they have enough work to do already without policing dingbats.
Don't turn every thread into a soapbox rant conspiracy theories - hey that one is even on the front page for the Politics and Current affairs FAQ.

That would be a good start. From there it doesn't matter if you are left of Lenin or right of Attilla...your post should survive if it is within the rules.

If your mandate however is to ALERT us all to the HIDDEN DANGER of the Secret Lizard Monarchs of the Inner Earth and their Agenda of Evil entangled with the Reverse Vampires, the Saucer People and the Mole Men...then go peddle crazy someplace else...we're all stocked up here
 kalamazooger

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Posted: 6/11/2008 8:25:29 PM
You're right that Big Oil doesn't "cause" high prices. They just benefit from our suffering. The real cause of high oil prices is speculators who run up the price (with only 5% of their own money in it). The same people who brought you the dot-com bubble and the housing bubble. And what do we do? We give them cheap "capital gains" tax benefits on top of it.

As for drilling at Anwar and off-shore, can anyone say "strategic reserves"? As far as I'm concerned, we should leave our oil in the ground, and when the price comes back down to reasonable rates, buy foreign oil to REFILL every depleted oil field in the country. Why should we use up our domestic oil? Use up foreign oil and keep ours till there ain't anymore. Heh-heh-heh.
 Steven02151

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Posted: 6/12/2008 5:57:39 AM
Seems to me we had a chance in the 70's the a lot of initiatives on the table to go for energy efficiency and Reagan, big oil, and big business derailed it. It seems to me also that drilling ANWAR would be just another replay of the inevitable and we would be having these same conversations so many years down the road.

We have to change our way of life. People cant continue to drive around in cars the size of my living room at 10-13 mpg, too much smog, bad for the atmosphere, etc.

European cars get something like 40mpg on average? Why cant GM and Ford make engines like that? It seems to me that that is a much, much better answer.
 Internetdatingpariah

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Posted: 6/12/2008 7:04:24 AM

"We are kidding ourselves if we think we can drill our way out of these problems," House Appropriations Committee Chairman David Obey, D-Wis., said during the bill mark-up session."

I MAY be wrong here, but didn't a republican state something similar as:
"We are kidding ourselves if we think we can tax our way out of this"???

Responding to Democratic Bill calling for 25% tax on "unreasonable" profits by the top 5 oil companys.
 TxCntryCowboy

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Posted: 6/12/2008 7:24:22 AM
In the coast of of Virgina and Florida where American companys can not drill, there are drilling rigs from China, Cuba, and France...so we are letting them steal our oil instead of taking advantage of it ourself. How do I know, I used to work on offshore rigs.
 sanderick

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Posted: 6/12/2008 7:45:36 AM
It's obvious that no country can drill their way out of their problems. Which seems to be the standard playbook response, when discussing more drilling.

What remains is that UNTIL we can become energy independent, we will have to bridge the gap of production and get off the oil imports from those countries, that are unfriendly towards the United States.

We need a HUGE upgrade and development of our internal energy infrastructure to maximize our renewable energy sources.

We have tons of renewable energy sources. Denmark is almost 100% energy independent. While we don't have the same percentage of Geo Thermal resources. We have plenty of wind, solar and tidal forces to build on.

But the collective will is not there. But with gas prices climbing it may hit the boiling point.

In the meantime, if we don't drill for more oil.

Other countries will.
 Steven02151

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Posted: 6/12/2008 8:50:19 AM
Well, we hate floating factories fishing off our coasts just outside the limits way back when until we went to court to push them 200 miles out......... if foreign countries are drilling off our coasts and domestic companies cant, something is wrong there.......if it is true.
 friendsonly4you

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Posted: 6/12/2008 10:40:49 AM
i've watched c-span the other day and felt disgusted because while "we" are suffering from the high energy prices, these politicians are just arguing, pointing fingers, and blaming the other party. geez, how did these people got elected? why can't they just sit down now and talk about the short term and long term solutions for this problem?
 Detritus

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Posted: 6/12/2008 11:37:16 AM
Since the start, drilling for oil, has provided the gasoline we use, heating oil and all the products produced from oil drilled. It never came down like rain. The ignorant one-liner of "We are kidding ourselves if we think we can drill our way out of these problems,"
can also be applied to anything banned, would decrease global warming. As if banning bon fires at beaches will stop polar ice caps from melting for example. It's usually liberals that are into bon fires at the beaches.

The Democratic plan did not include one drop of new energy produced, or discovered, or refined. They admit that their plan is not about anything other than making sure that while you're mad, the oil companies get burn in higher taxes. They have no desire to cheapen oil and gasoline. This is a ticket to their reelection, they think. The same people demanding energy independence are the same people standing in the way of it happening. They have no problem sending billions of dollars to other countries for the oil, many of these countries are our enemies.

What do you think about a party that's not interested in taking action within the laws of supply and demand that would lower your gasoline price and other related petroleum products? There are people actively standing in the way of prices coming down by trying to thwart the laws of supply and demand. They admitted that their effort to raise taxes on the oil companies yesterday had only one purpose, and that was to "assuage the anger" of people who are upset at the price of gasoline. "Assuage the anger" means they, Democrats, wanted to be able to say, "Hey, we just raised their taxes," and then consumers are supposed to go, "Oh happy days."
From the Washington Post. "The Democrats claimed that taxing Big Oil would assuage consumer anger." That's not going to assuage consumer anger. Consumers are a little bit more sophisticated than that.

I didn't think they should tax the oil companies and put it in a trust fund, how would that produce one more drop of oil, and the trust fund would only be raided like Social Security. How about opening up the lands in the US to drill and let the oil companies use their windfall profits to produce more petroleum.
Senator Schumer from New York says, "We had a chance to deal with the issue of high gasoline prices" by taxing the oil companies.
They're supposed to "share" their profits with the government. They're supposed to give their profits to the government in a trust fund.
 friendsonly4you

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Posted: 6/12/2008 12:47:02 PM
That's actually what baffles me! Why would anybody reject something that would open up our exploration to help our domestic energy reserves. If it's true that this is an "oil bubble" I think most of the upward pressure for crude oil would at least go away
once " they agreed" on a short term policy, and will drive away the speculators. The fact remains that we need a comprehensive policy now until new technologies can sustain our energy crisis.
 Steven02151

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Posted: 6/12/2008 1:47:21 PM
friendsonly4you, the reason for all the finger-pointing and opposition is that our leaders are all privately owned and operated so what you see is the mishmash of various vested interests being played out.

If any of them actually worked for the common good and the taxpayers they were elected to serve, I am sure that objective and common ground would be found in no time.

In a place like China, for example, they do long term planning and are thinking 25 years ahead, not here, though.
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Posted: 6/12/2008 3:47:22 PM

What do you think about a party that's not interested in taking action within the laws of supply and demand that would lower your gasoline price and other related petroleum products?


There is no supply problem at the moment.
And what do you think of a party that is not willing to do anything to stop global warming?

Exactly, why is it that an industry that has been having huge record breaking profits is allowed to get away without paying taxes on that? Come up with any excuse you like. The government is in their back pocket.

I realise that the polar bears are in your way of cheaper gasoline. Well, then they apparently have got to go. I mean what is one species, as long as you dont have to carpool or walk to the corner store. Not to mention the meriad of other actic wildlife that is already in a precarious battle for survival. But Americans want cheaper gasoline and that is all that matters. Human chauvenists!

The main thing that the bill would have done was to change how the speculating is being done and would have made speculators pay more on margin. That is what is driving up the cost of oil right now. Even the Saudis have said that there is no oil shortage.
Buy it at $100 barrel- only pay $5 barrel- then when you sell it at $145 you make a lot of money. Mind you the average citizen is now paying through the teeth for gas but what do you care? Youre getting rich. Oh, and no capital gains tax on that thanks to your buddies in DC.
 jack-d-ripper

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Posted: 6/12/2008 3:58:15 PM
The oil companies are sitting on 10, 000 Permits to drill on Fed lands.....
Refineries are operating at 80-85%....
The oil companies have permits for Oil Shale in Colorado and Utah......

China is NOT drilling 50 miles for the US........

There is no Shortage of OIL we are getting Screwed......





The Charleston Gazette
June 10, 2008

Lands already open for drilling

Rahall committee report counters pro-oil complaint
By Ken Ward Jr.

Staff writer

The vast majority of oil and gas resources on federal lands are already open for drilling, according to a new report from the House Natural Resources Committee.

A little more than one-third of oil resources and 16 percent of natural gas reserves on public lands are off-limits to industry, according to the report issued by the committee's Democratic staff. Those are closed to drilling largely because they are underneath national parks or wilderness areas, the report found.

The 10-page report responds to continued arguments by Republicans and energy companies that opening more public lands to oil and gas production would help lower gasoline prices.

"The evidence is compelling that we cannot drill our way to lower prices at the pumps," said Natural Resources Chairman Nick J. Rahall, D-W.Va.

The report notes, for example, that since the 1990s, the federal government has consistently encouraged the development of its oil and gas resources. Drilling on federal lands has steadily increased during this period, from 3,800 five years ago to nearly 7,600 in 2007.

Between 1999 and 2007, the number of drilling permits issued for development on public lands increased by more than 361 percent. But gasoline prices have also risen dramatically, "contradicting the argument that more drilling means lower gasoline prices," according to the report.

The Rahall staff report also concludes that energy companies are not using federal lands that are already open to energy development.

In the last four years, the Bureau of Land Management has issued nearly 29,000 permits to drill on public land. Yet during that same period, less than 19,000 wells were actually drilled.

"Even if increased domestic drilling activity could affect the price of gasoline, there is yet no justification to open additional federal lands because oil and gas companies have shown that they cannot keep pace with the rate of drilling permits that the federal government is handing out," the report said.

Last month, the Interior Department issued a report that Rahall's committee said the "administration is using to delude Americans into believing that vast tracts of federal land with large concentrations of oil and gas are off-limits to oil and gas development."

Actually, the Interior report shows 40 percent of oil reserves on federal lands are currently open to leasing. Another 22 percent of oil reserves on federal lands are undergoing required environmental reviews before being opened to leasing. That leaves 38 percent of oil reserves on federal lands actually listed as off-limits.

For natural gas, the Interior report shows 16 percent of reserves are off-limits to production. Another 22 percent are undergoing environmental reviews before being opened to leasing.

The Rahall committee report also concluded that on the Outer Continental Shelf, 82 percent of federal natural gas and 79 percent of federal oil is located in areas that are currently open for leasing.

To contact staff writer Ken Ward Jr., use e-mail or call 348-1702.
http://sundaygazettemail.com/News/200806091186





By Erika Bolstad and Kevin G. Hall | McClatchy Newspapers

WASHINGTON — As Congress has debated energy policy over the past several days, an unusual argument keeps surfacing in support of drilling off the U.S. coastline and in Alaska's Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.

Why, ask some Republicans, should the United States be thwarted from drilling in its own territory when just 50 miles off the Florida coastline the Chinese government is drilling for oil under Cuban leases?

Yet no one can prove that the Chinese are drilling anywhere off Cuba's shoreline. The China-Cuba connection is "akin to urban legend," said Sen. Mel Martinez, a Republican from Florida who opposes drilling off the coast of his state but who backs exploration in ANWR.

"China is not drilling in Cuba's Gulf of Mexico waters, period," said Jorge Pinon, an energy fellow with the Center for Hemispheric Policy at the University of Miami and an expert in oil exploration in the Gulf of Mexico. Martinez cited Pinon's research when he took to the Senate floor Wednesday to set the record straight.

Even so, the Chinese-drilling-in-Cuba legend has gained momentum and has been swept up in Republican arguments to open up more U.S. territory to domestic production.

Vice President****Cheney, in a speech Wednesday to the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, picked up the refrain. Cheney quoted a column by George Will, who wrote last week that "drilling is under way 60 miles off Florida. The drilling is being done by China, in cooperation with Cuba, which is drilling closer to South Florida than U.S. companies are."

In his speech, Cheney described the Chinese as being "in cooperation with the Cuban government. Even the communists have figured out that a good answer to higher prices means more supply."

"But Congress says no to drilling in ANWR, no to drilling on the East Coast, no to drilling on the West Coast," Cheney added.

The office of House Minority Leader John Boehner defended the GOP drilling claims. "A 2006 New York Times story highlights lease agreements negotiated between Cuba and China and the fact that China was planning to drill in the Florida Strait off the coast of Cuba," said spokesman Michael Steel.

The China-Cuba connection also appeared in an editorial Monday in Investor's Business Daily, which wrote that "the U.S. Congress has voted consistently to keep 85 percent of America's offshore oil and gas off-limits, while China and Cuba drill 60 miles from Key West, Fla."

And on Tuesday, Rep. George Radanovich, R-Calif., wrote in the Modesto Bee that "China, thanks to a lease issued by Cuba, is drilling for oil just 50 miles off Florida's coast."

A spokesman for Radanovich said Wednesday that the congressman had read about a Cuban lease to Chinese interests in the 2006 Times article.
China's Sinopec oil company does have an agreement with the Cuban government, but it's to develop onshore resources west of Havana, Pinon said. The Chinese have done some seismic testing, he said, but no drilling, and nothing offshore.
Western diplomats in Havana tell McClatchy that to the best of their knowledge, there is no Chinese drilling in or around Cuba.
"I've never heard anything about this," said one diplomat from a country in the hemisphere.
The Western diplomats, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak to the media about energy issues, said they believed there is no new drilling occurring off the coast of Cuba, just exploration.
Cuba's state oil company, Cupet, has issued exploration contracts to companies from India, Canada, Spain, Malaysia and Norway, according to diplomats.
But many oil companies from those countries have expressed reservations about how to turn potential crude oil into product. Cuba doesn't have the refinery capacity, and the Cuban embargo prohibits the oil from coming to U.S. refineries, Pinon said.
The most recent high-profile contract with Cuba went to Brazil's state oil company, Petrobras. Cuba inked a contract with Petrobras in January, allowing the Brazilian energy giant to search for oil in the deep waters of the Gulf of Mexico that are within Cuba's sovereign territory. Brazil's foreign minister, Celso Amorim, traveled to Cuba last month and talked up the oil business, along with a joint venture between Cuba and Petrobras to produce lubricants.
Most of Cuba's oil comes from Venezuela, with whom it shares an ideological bent and geographical proximity. Brazil's growing role in Cuba's energy sector is significant because Petrobras has been involved in some of the world's few discoveries of new and large oilfields.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/40776.html
 friendsonly4you

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Posted: 6/12/2008 5:22:07 PM
Good example, I applaud China for doing that but i would take capitalism any day, lol. Unfortunately, the poorest of the poor are the one's who taking the most beating out of this, for example, since we have to turn to alternatives like ethanol, food prices around the
world have more than doubled this past year. Most people around the world cannot afford the basic staples such as rice. And yet here we are blaming each other because such company made ridiculous profits--which is a witchhunt, what about the credit card companies who make these obscene profits, banks, tech, pharma-- and on and on...
 Detritus

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Posted: 6/12/2008 11:58:09 PM
There is no supply problem at the moment.

^^^
In your dreams. You mean, there is no shortage. Supply is tight, very tight. Anything can disrupt the tight supply. Now, if there was a large supply available, any fart around the world would not affect demand. Right now there are tight due to Nigeria's wells practically shut down due to their fighting there. Saudi Arabia is pumping to capacity. All other producers are pumping to capacity.
Some people do not know the law of supply and demand and very little of the futures' market. By the way, it was under Jimmy Carter and the Democratic congress that allowed for the future/speculation market. Right after OPEC's embargo. It has taken price control from OPEC. The markets set the price, OPEC has little to do with it but they can cut world supply.

Many people think speculators are arbitrarily controlling price in ways that have nothing to do with the market and its actual fluctuations. Economic experts say and all have the same answer, and it basically is, No, that's not the case. The speculators, in fact, are good for the market. Thomas Sowell's book, Basic Economics, says that speculators play a valuable function in a market, something about accepting more risk so that other don't have to.

Walter Williams on futures markets, quote, "The futures market, which takes into account both the present and the future availability of goods, is a vital part of a smoothly functioning economy. Unfortunately, that fact provides little comfort to people frustrated over the high prices of food and fuel. As such, it provides fodder for political demagogues, charlatans and quacks who rush in with blame and prepare "solutions" for the problems they themselves have created. The high prices for food and fuel are directly linked to the policies of the White House and Congress.
 CharlesEdm

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Democrats Rejects to Open U.S. Waters for Oil Exploration
Posted: 6/13/2008 4:08:07 AM
Why not get the oil Rupert Murdoch promised when he backed the invasion of Iraq? Only 30 dollars a barrel!

More realistically oil is sold on a world market, the USA can't produce sufficient oil to significantly reduce oil prices world wide. You consume 25% of the worlds oil, more than the next four countries combined. You produce only 9.5%

You can't drill out of this problem, the economics don't work.
 jack-d-ripper

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Democrats Rejects to Open U.S. Waters for Oil Exploration
Posted: 6/13/2008 7:51:29 AM

The speculators, in fact, are good for the market.


Do you remember rolling black outs in California?
Enron?
Unregulated dark markets ?

Without Oversight and Regulation we get Screwed..
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