| | God loves gay people ????Page 1 of 9 (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9) | | Now can someone show me a part in the bible that shows he does not ....if there is nothing that shows he does not....then really would that not mean he loves all his people right ???? or wrong ???? | |
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JHVM
| | Joined: 6/6/2007
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| God loves gay people ????
Posted: 6/16/2008 1:53:07 PM | The only _real_ place that homosexuality is condemned is in Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 which expressly prohibit male homosexuality but if you follow the rules in Leviticus you are also against:
- Sexual intercourse during a women's menstrual cycle
- Tattoos
- Wearing certain types of jewelry
- Eating certain kinds of meat
- Wearing clothing made from blended textiles (cotton-polyester blends)
- Cross-breeding livestock
- Sowing a field with mixed seed
- Eating or touching the dead flesh of pigs, rabbits, & some forms of seafood
- Men cutting their hair or shaving their beards
It also endorses polygamy. | |
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| God loves gay people ????
Posted: 6/16/2008 2:47:11 PM | God loves everyone, he just hates the sin thing.
But he'll forgive the sin thing if you say you're sorry and promise to do better.
But you have to love him to be forgiven, otherwise he throws you into a lake of
burning fire when he decides to end it all
So yes, god loves gays.
After all, god loves everybody. | |
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| God loves gay people ????
Posted: 6/16/2008 3:05:09 PM | If God is love, then god loves all people (except for those that don't love him in return...regardless of their sexual orientation and preferences)...it is just that one proportion of humanity...is intolerant of another proportion of humanity....and that that the intolerant claim the sacred texts (as the inspired will of god, supposedly) as their authority for this intolerance.
There is little evidence supporting the existence of Jesus....we do not know whether he was heterosexual, homosexual or bi sexual......perhaps he was asexual???? | |
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| God loves gay people ????
Posted: 6/16/2008 3:31:13 PM | | The whole idea that the Christian god loves everybody doesn't make much sense since he hated Esau. | |
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| God loves gay people ????
Posted: 6/16/2008 7:08:51 PM | there is little evidence supporting the existence of Jesus....we do not know whether he was heterosexual, homosexual or bi sexual......perhaps he was asexual????
There is actually more evidence that supports the existence of Jesus than there is that Abraham Lincoln was ever president. Transcripts, letters, etc. I think a big reason people think there is not is because it was written in so many different languages. The bible is just as legitimate a text book as any other we deem authority on particular subjects. Be it war, politicians, philosophy, etc. I'm kind of lost as to what Jesus' sexual orientation has to do with any thing. Explain further? Jesus was a man that walked the Earth, true, but he was one part of a trinity so there really isn't any fair way to compare Jesus to any other living being like me and you.
Jesus loves everyone. Gays, rapists, murderers. There is no "hierarchy" of sin. Just as important, Jesus wants us to love each other regardless of our downfalls. I think that's the piece we struggle with more than wondering if Jesus loves us or not.
Just a thought. | |
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| God loves gay people ????
Posted: 6/16/2008 8:20:49 PM | the god of the old testament said to stone two men who slept together- some kind of love.
paul equated it with being dis obedient to one's parent's which under roman law even in middle age-in fact as long as one's parent were alive-carried a death penalty if the parent so chose. | |
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| God loves gay people ????
Posted: 6/16/2008 8:45:03 PM | The Guy named Ray said about all there is to be said on the subject.
But i will add one thing, true love for God is not so much to love him as a being as it is to love all the goodness and rightiousness that he stands for. If we truly love God and all that he stands for we will do the best we know to please him, and thus receive selvation.
God loves everybody, but only those that love God and all that he stands for will receive the gift of eternal life.
Would you invite some one who had no respect for you to come to your party?
Just somthing to think about. | |
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| God loves gay people ????
Posted: 6/16/2008 9:31:38 PM | | God loves everybody, reguardless of sexual preference or if they love him. Being gay is simply a sin that is easier to see than yours or mine. We all sin and God will forgive us for that if we just ask him. God loved you before you had a chance to love him back, and for anyone who doesn't know him yet... he loves you and wants to be a part of your life. He's asking for a relationship right now... | |
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| God loves gay people ????
Posted: 6/16/2008 9:57:53 PM | Yes. God loves happy people. Haven't you heard? "Smile. Jesus loves you"? 
Seriously, yes, God loves a person regardless of their sexual orientation. Like gender, social status, race, ethnicity, and a hundred other factors, they're immaterial when it comes to God loving someone for just who they are. | |
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| God loves gay people ????
Posted: 6/16/2008 11:00:06 PM | | "God" or whomever you have faith in, loves "you". If you love you, then God loves you, simply put. | |
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| God loves gay people ????
Posted: 6/17/2008 7:48:26 AM |
The whole idea that the Christian god loves everybody doesn't make much sense since he hated Esau.
If this scripture is approached without any consideration for the context that it is applied, then a shallow understanding is all that can be concluded....but if anyone actually looks at the context of the passage they will understand that God was speaking of His blessing. Jacob was considered as being loved by God because Jacob was the chosen one and not Esau. It's not that God actually hated Esau, but that Esau would not recieve any blessing from God, therefore Esau was excluded from being an instrument of God, who could be entrusted with the oracles of God.
We say we hate people all the time, but the meaning is not directed towards the person in all cases. A person could go to a rock concert. They might say they loved the main act but hated the introductory band....and the same meaning of hate can be applied in this passage if a person brings the entirety of the context into the discernment. maybe if anyone is truly interested in what the scriuptures teach they will actually take the time to examine what is being sai, instead of just looking to put forth a false idea they have concocted in thier imagination. | |
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NERO1
| | Joined: 3/8/2008
Msg: 14 | |
| God loves gay people ????
Posted: 6/17/2008 8:31:18 AM | OP, I'm not a Christian myself, but I was a Catholic as a kid. I recall seeing a t-shirt once that said, "Jesus Was a Socialist". I agree with that principle, basically. Even though it's of course anachronistic to ascribe much more recent political ideologies to people from ancient times, I think there's something to it personally. I think if there was indeed one such man upon whom all of the later (IMO) mythology was based, and if he was indeed anything like what they said he was like, then he probably would have been quite a rebel and a friend of the outcasts and pariahs , inherently an enemy of (or at least inherently suspicious and distrustful towards) the rich and the powerful, mighty institutions (part of why I personally feel Roman Catholicism is such a farce at heart) and mighty nations.
If anything of his "spirit" is still alive today, then IMO it's nowhere near the Vatican or the halls of power in Washington DC, or any other power center you can think of . It's with the downtrodden and the oppressed, or in AIDS wards where men (oftentimes gay men) are languishing and dying. Politically, that spirit would likely be more with the religious monotheistic "insurgents" than with the mighty war machine that occupies them (such a parallel really to the way his own people, the Jews, reacted against Roman occupation in his day). So I think, if you're Christian and you believe "Jesus is God" then I think if you're going to be logical about it you have to suspect that this God who deliberately surrounded himself with poor men and outcasts, dined with tax collectors, and wandered about preaching with a prostitute, would certainly "love gay people" today. Certainly. | |
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| God loves gay people ????
Posted: 6/17/2008 8:36:41 AM | "I will attempt to remain calm during my interaction in this thread" lol..
To me the idea that this is even a question turns my stomach... this is a topic that can infuriate me like almost no other... | |
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| God loves gay people ????
Posted: 6/17/2008 8:51:00 AM |
God loves everyone, he just hates the sin thing.
But he'll forgive the sin thing if you say you're sorry and promise to do better.
But you have to love him to be forgiven, otherwise he throws you into a lake of
burning fire when he decides to end it all
So yes, god loves gays.
After all, god loves everybody.
ray, I can see the sarcasm in your words, towards the way the popular dogmatic gospel is being preached with blatant contradictions. Nothing what you say is actually scripturally true, however what you say is believed to be true by most mainstream christians who adhere to the myth of the hellfire doctrine. So what you say is true concerning the false gospel that is being preached, however it doesn't line up with scriptural truth on this matter that God loves people despite whether people love God. The dogma you regurgitate is basically called 'the blind leading the blind'. But repeating error as you have been taught, only means that you actually believe this in your heart. If you say God is the way dogma describes God, then you are agreeing with dogma as being true in its description of God. And after reading your posts, it is quite apparant that you don't necessarily subscribe to dogma, so why would you offer dogma up, as proof of what God considers as truth? | |
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| God loves gay people ????
Posted: 6/17/2008 9:47:04 AM | ray, I can see the sarcasm in your words . . . Nothing you say . . . what you say . . . what you say . . . you regurgitate . . . you have been . . . you actually . . . If you say. . . you are agreeing. . . your posts . . . you don't . . . why would you . . .
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Can we stick to the topic? | |
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| God loves gay people ????
Posted: 6/17/2008 11:15:12 AM | According to the Bible all of us are spirit children of God. It also says that he loves each and every one of us because we are his children because he created us. In essence a Father with a whole lot of sons and daughters.
But in the OT and NT God does state repeatedly there are things/actions that we as humans do that are unacceptable by him because those things are not a part of whom he is. One of the biggest no-no's through out the Bible is sex outside the union of a male and female. That is how he wanted it. That is how he established it. He never showed anywhere in the Bible that he was willing to make amends to that rule. As a punishment for breaking this rule He allowed adulterers to be stoned to death for a very long time from the OT to the NT. Then Christ came along and forbaid the practice of stoning and said we should forgive people their trespassess of God's laws.
So yes, God loves people, not their sins. | |
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| God loves gay people ????
Posted: 6/17/2008 11:49:01 AM | | Guys, don't feed the troll. Thread starter is obviously just trying to get people riled up, the question is absolutely ridiculous. | |
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| God loves gay people ????
Posted: 6/18/2008 2:37:46 AM |
But in the OT and NT God does state repeatedly there are things/actions that we as humans do that are unacceptable by him because those things are not a part of whom he is. Agreed. Commonly referred to as "sin". ALL guilty. NONE innocent. Hence the need for Grace.
One of the biggest no-no's through out the Bible is sex outside the union of a male and female. And here was me thinking one of the biggest "no=nos" was not loving, not forgiving, not showing others grace. Is "being a homosexual" really worse than "being a murderer" or "being a thief"? How about worse than "being a blasphemer", "being a false witness"? How about judging another as being a worse sinner than yourself? Is it really so that the worse sins are sexual, especially if that "sin" is primarily one against oneself, when so may other sins are against others and God? | |
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| God loves gay people ????
Posted: 6/18/2008 8:23:22 AM | Me thinks that god is gay. Me ancient studies into the ancient Hermetic sciences reveals that there is a herphrodite aspect to god and that there is on lower levels of existnace the tendancy to seek the woman in man and the man in woman.
If god is gay is the devil straight or just a republican? | |
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NERO1
| | Joined: 3/8/2008
Msg: 22 | |
| God loves gay people ????
Posted: 6/18/2008 8:43:21 AM | | ^^ I agree. There is at least a possibility that if there is a god as people imagine then he , if he is indeed a he, prefers the intimate company of other male gods -- or at least that he did in the past, probably "on the down-low" as they say, back when there were still other male gods in business. To skeptics I say disprove it. If I choose to personally adhere to the gay , or bi, god theory (by god) then it's no less ridiculous nor can it be proven or disproven any more so than whatever notions you may adhere to (that god incarnated himself as a Jewish preacher a couple thousand yrs ago for example, and lived only very briefly, and so on...). | |
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| God loves gay people ????
Posted: 6/18/2008 10:03:19 AM | I said...
One of the biggest no-no's through out the Bible is sex outside the union of a male and female.
Romanticoptimist replyed....
"And here was me thinking one of the biggest "no=nos" was not loving, not forgiving, not showing others grace. Is "being a homosexual" really worse than "being a murderer" or "being a thief"? How about worse than "being a blasphemer", "being a false witness"? How about judging another as being a worse sinner than yourself? Is it really so that the worse sins are sexual, especially if that "sin" is primarily one against oneself, when so may other sins are against others and God?"
The reason I stated that Romanticop was because family was important to God according to the Bible, not me. Family was everything to God. Anytime the human family began to tear the family unit apart with it's various sexual practices taking place outside of a male/female union ie; adultry, shacking up, unnatural affections (as the Bible calls it) calamity usually followed of one type or another to the people who were suppose to be following the laws and dictates of God through his prophets.
Two things always seemed to happen together, idolitry and adultry. The first leads people away from believing in God and the second destroys the function of familys. Many times in the Bible when these two things were being practiced side by side, God would cause a clamity of one or more sorts to happen.
God was tolerant of many things but idolitry and adultry were two he was not tolorant of. | |
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| God loves gay people ????
Posted: 6/18/2008 11:44:07 AM | Oh I think God loves all of us.
I'm certain it's our ACTIONS he has issues with. But since he has seen the beginning from the END, it's not like anything I ever did is a big surprise.
I take comfort in the fact that he loves me despite my stupid decisions. | |
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