| Doing Cardio To Burn Fat
Posted: 6/16/2008 8:09:38 PM | So this past weekend I had the opportunity to meet Jay Cutler and he answered a few questions I had about his conditioning.
Jay Cutler is Mr. Olympia, personally I think those dudes are just way to big, but you can learn lots from them because they are the absolute masters at manipulating their body. Jay has amazing abs, when hes conditioned it looks as if his abs wrap aroung his spin.
Anyway, I asked him how much cardio one should do if they want to drop down to 5-6% BF without sacrificing too much muscle. He told me that if you want a tight 6 pack and wanna drop to 6% bodyfat, cardio is an abolute must unless you have an extremely high metabolism which very few have.
He said doing 30-45 mins of cardio 3-4 times a week is ideal when cutting up. Now the part i found interesting and always had questions about was how hard should you be doing cardio to loose fat without burning off too much muscle. He told me that lots of dudes bust their ass for their muscle, but when it comes time to shred up their cardio intensity is too high so they end up flattening out. Anyway he said the proper intensity is to go at a pace where you feel like you could carry a conversation with someone if you had to without puffing too hard and being outta breath. He said anymore than that and your gonna burn more a higher percentage of muscle per pound of weight you loose.
Thought Id share that. Hopefully someone finds it useful...... | |
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Posted: 6/16/2008 11:31:37 PM | | Thanks a lot for sharing that! I had just asked that question about a week ago regarding the intensity of cardio. Sometimes I hate it but I know it's necessary. I love the changes the weights have done for me, but if I want to get the rest of the lbs off, cardio is a must. If I am going to do it, I want to do it right! | |
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Posted: 6/17/2008 1:56:49 AM | | Bear in mind that Cutler-Tech is roided out to the max, using large amounts of IGF-1 LR3, insulin, GH and god knows what else. He won't lose as much muscle mass as a natural doing cardio, so take his advice with a pinch of salt, although it does sound like good advice if a bit excessive for the natural athlete. Don't forget about HIIT - sprinters are ripped as hell! | |
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Posted: 6/17/2008 4:51:57 AM | Redundant thread.
"but if I want to get the rest of the lbs off,"
... eat less
"cardio is a must."
... Another Myth That Won't Die.
See other threads. :) | |
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Posted: 6/17/2008 5:16:40 AM | I have to agree with ITI. My SO is a bodybuilder and has been for years. He chided me for being on the tread and just jogging at level 5. He told me that unless you are breaking a sweat, you aren't really going to burn BF. If your BFI is high then cardio is an absolute MUST. If you aren't breaking a sweat, you're not burning. He wants me to try that 90 day video plan and I'll let you know the results on my abs. This video plan has heavy duty cardio, so if my SO is right, I'll be back in the land of six packs (current four pack LOL).
Diet is key and so is mixing up your routine.
This man of whom you speak is undoubtedly on some kind of juice. People do not get that big without a push of something. (I had to google his photo)
>>> Even Arnold wasn't Arnold without steroids <<< At least he was man enough to admit it. | |
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Posted: 6/17/2008 5:47:43 AM | " Even Arnold wasn't Arnold without steroids <<< At least he was man enough to admit it."
This guy is sensible enough to not admit using, as if he talks about what he uses, I suspect there'l be a lot of people copying his insane steroid usage.
oh and sprinters use 'roids' aswell | |
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Posted: 6/17/2008 5:58:42 AM | Perhaps I should have been a bit more clear. I def do not oppose doing high intensity cardio but this thread is meant for those looking for a BB type of physique. Im sure there have been threads in the past about cardio, but I thought id share some information from Mr. Olympia and thought some might find it useful as I did.
Comparing a sprinter to a BB is foolish. Both train differently. Sprinters are most definetly conserned with muscle mass. I use to be a sprinter in my early college years, we did a TON of core strength training. Power lifting builds speed. The key for those sprinters is to have a harmonic balance of muscle mass. Too much is bad, too little and you wont have the speed. Sprinters seldom need to run further than 400M most stick with the 100M, they are huge because sprinting requires just as much upper body strength as lower body strength. Your arms propel you.
Regardless if Jay uses roids, the guy is still better trained and has better advice for building a powerful lean physique than anyone in this forum. If you want to argue with him, go for it. My money is with him. | |
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Posted: 6/17/2008 8:47:02 AM | I used sprinters as an example of those becoming ripped via a HIIT aproach vs a low intensity long distance approach.
He does indeed have an impressive physique but you CANNOT apply his training regime to a natural athlete. | |
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Posted: 6/17/2008 9:14:27 AM | Despite my strength routine and clean diet I have always had weight loss plateaus. I like to pace myself and I don't like to lose too quickly or too slowly. I aim for no more than a 2 pound loss per week.
I'd always assumed that my plateaus were caused by my metabolism. Sometimes my body just says "Lets try this size on for a while before losing more."
Just moderate cardio has eliminated my plateau phases.
I keep records on fitday.com and my loss is a steady 1.5 pounds a week. I couldnt be more pleased with that pace.
After turning up my nose at cardio in favor of strength training, I am back into my running shoes and loving it.
I have also recently taken up fencing and all those lunges are doing some nice things to my butt.
It's important to mix it up. | |
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Posted: 6/17/2008 9:59:38 AM | To anybody in doubt I would suggest experimenting on themselves.
Do steady state aerobic exercise for 3 or 4 weeks, and then do tabata and sprint intervals for 3 or 4 weeks and see which period of time causes better fat loss. | |
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Posted: 6/17/2008 11:39:50 AM | Excuse me billymcool, if you read my post, the advice did indeed come from a BB (as you term them). As I stated in my post, the advice I received came from someone who has been body building for nearly 20 years - naturally. At one point he came to the absolute knowledge that the men professing to have gotten so big & ripped, by purely natural means, were out and out lying.
In my mind, some guy who uses enhancers would NOT be the person to ask advice from on how to get ripped. If he knew that answer, he wouldn't be using.
Now, that having been said, if you judge us to be unqualified, then why post this here?
Just looking around the boards and in the health and fitness section, I can tell you there are plenty of body builders here. Some are even pro's.
Your money might be on Jay, but my money is on those who are serious enough to do things naturally.
PS Iconoclast, Me and my butt totally agree!!! ;) | |
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Posted: 6/17/2008 1:03:39 PM |
Your money might be on Jay, but my money is on those who are serious enough to do things naturally.
Ummmm, I really don't understand this comment. I don't really know who you think is more serious about bodybuilding than Ronnie and Jay, etc. but considering these guys do it for a living and live and breath is 24/7, 365 days a year, I don't think many are more serious about it than them.
With that having been said, I still wouldn't go to them for advice, because they only have experience of training themselves, genetically elite and enhanced by all sorts of chemicals and stuff, and those sort of training parameters aren't going to apply to the genetically average, chemically unassisted, non-advanced population. | |
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Posted: 6/17/2008 1:09:23 PM | Squeaky, Put emphasis on the word "naturally" in my quote - now does it make sense? No performance enhancers.
There is a natural limit to the size and strength of each individual. The only way to surpass that limit is steroids or like substances. I have no respect for people using those enhancers. Do they know about body building? Of course, but if they are willing to use short-cut methods or claim to be all natural, when clearly, they are not. . . I lose the ability to believe anything they utter.
Just my opinion on the matter. Feel free to disagree. I'd rather listen to those body builders who do things naturally. Arnold's book is very good. Some of his methods don't make sense to me, but I believe they worked for him. I also have respect that he (now) admits to having used steroids in his peak years. He also speaks of the damage they caused in his life and to his body. *That* I can respect.
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Posted: 6/17/2008 3:15:49 PM | Luftwaffles!
Absolute basic exercise advice is passed on from Jay Cutler... and the clown brigade turn up to say how useless he is too! No wonder they follow me around if they do not think that even Jay Cutler might know just a little about exercise.
I heard Scot Mendelson is a lightweight benchpresser too! His 715 raw means nothing because he used a shirt for his 1020... and never quite locked it out anyhow!
Ronnie Coleman? Man does not know crap about exercise. Turns out he is a fraud, it is all plastic and makeup!
Thanks team, once again, you have helped make the thread awesome! | |
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Posted: 6/17/2008 3:37:43 PM | Crazytimes, Exaggerate much?
No one said Jay didn't know anything about excercise. I do take issue with light cardio for burning FAT. If you aren't breaking a sweat and your goal is burning fat or bringing down your BFI, then you're wasting your time.
My SO wouldn't need to burn body fat, having nearly none to burn. If he over did his cardio routine, he would indeed lose muscle. But when he hits a plateau he has to work in more cardio to rev up his metabolism. He switches up his routine completely, because that's what his body will respond to. The cardio helps to put his metabolism back into shape. While he isn't going to go full tilt, he is definately going to break a sweat.
If Jay had said that, I'd have no problem agreeing with it, because I know it to be true. I also know I have a hard time taking someone who uses performance enhancing drugs seriously. There are a few like that at our local gym. The funny thing is I call them the clown brigade, all offering advice to young kids looking up to them. Pfffft. Good that kids want to get into the sport but there could be better teachers than those who've clearly chosen the short cuts.
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Edited to add: I re-read the OP's original post and the advice is similar to that in my posts, that I received from my SO. The only difference is the intensity, but upon trying to explain fully to you what I meant, I managed to understand better what the OP was saying in his second post.
I can admit when I'm wrong and I deserve a bit of crow.
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Posted: 6/17/2008 4:09:02 PM | The original intention of this thread was to provide information from Mr. Olympia about loosing bodyfat without sacrificing muscle mass. I was not asking for advice from anyone else, I was posting valuable information from a high source in this field so that atleast 1 person might find it useful. Jay never said that his intensity theory was the fastest way to burn fat, he said it was the efficient way to burn fat without sacrificing as much muscle.
It doesnt take a brain surgeon to figure out that a higher intensity workout will burn more calories. Calories are nothing but a measure of energy and as your intensity increases you will burn more calories. That is a fact.
Im kinda tired of all this steroid talk. People seem to think if they use steroids they can look like arnold or Jay. The fact is, you probably dont have the genetics or disapline to even mimic a fraction of what they are. Ive known far too many guys who have used juice and they did NOT look anything near Arnold, Jay or even a BB. They looked like a mess. For you or anyone else to look at the likes of arnold or jay or any other pro BB and say, egh hes all sterioids, is pure stupidity. Most of these dudes train with weights twice a day and when prepping for a show do 2 hours of cario a day. Spending 4 hours in the gym has nothing to do with steroids, its commitment and determination to want to be the absolute best. To take that away from then, to me is an abomination.
In terms of NOT listening to the likes of Jay Cutler. Well perhaps I should tell my story, I started lifting when I was 18. I was TINY with an extremely high metabolism. I was a "Hard Gainer". I started working out because I wanted to look like Arnold. For the first year I had no clue what I was diong, I would train each muscle 3-4 times a week, my diet was poor. i had no clue. It wasnt until college when I picked up a flex magazine and saw these MONSTERS. Yes they use steroids, yes they are un-natural. But many have 15+ years of experience and enough Tips to blast you through any plataeu. Im evidence of that. In 3 years i bulked up to 260lbs. The problem i have with natural bodybuilders who think they know it all is that they limit themselves mentally and this stops their progress. They see a big dude and say, oh you cant look like that, hes on steroids when instead they should be thinking in terms of, geez maybe im in a plataeu, what can i do naturally do get closer to my goal.
Anyway case and point, a persons body is all the evidence you need. If you wanna look like a sprinter, train like a sprinter. If you wanna look like a fitness athlete, train like a fitness athlete and if you wanna look like a bodybuilder, train like a bodybuilder. | |
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Posted: 6/17/2008 9:56:32 PM |
Redundant thread.
"but if I want to get the rest of the lbs off,"
... eat less
"cardio is a must."
... Another Myth That Won't Die.
See other threads. :)
I do eat less. I watch my calories very carefully. I know all about calories in calories burned.
I have a slow metabolism and I need to eat less AND do cardio! | |
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Posted: 6/17/2008 11:43:42 PM |
Squeaky, Put emphasis on the word "naturally" in my quote - now does it make sense? No performance enhancers.
There is a natural limit to the size and strength of each individual. The only way to surpass that limit is steroids or like substances. I have no respect for people using those enhancers. Do they know about body building? Of course, but if they are willing to use short-cut methods or claim to be all natural, when clearly, they are not. . . I lose the ability to believe anything they utter.
Just my opinion on the matter. Feel free to disagree. I'd rather listen to those body builders who do things naturally. Arnold's book is very good. Some of his methods don't make sense to me, but I believe they worked for him. I also have respect that he (now) admits to having used steroids in his peak years. He also speaks of the damage they caused in his life and to his body. *That* I can respect.
No Aspriring Anal, it still does not make sense. You said steroid users are not serious about bodybuilding, which is complete crap. It's there in black and white for anybody to see. At Jay Cutler's level, steroids have nothing to do with using shortcuts, it's something that is totally necessary to reach the top. Nobody will ever be an Olympia contender without steroid use because it is physically impossible. Does that mean they're not serious about bodybuilding? Of course not, for those guys, bodybuilding is their life.
So, in conclusion, stop making such assinine statements please. | |
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Posted: 6/18/2008 1:15:32 AM | I'd like to reiterate that I never bashed Cutler for his substance use nor did I say they diminshed the amount of work he needed to do to achieve his physique. The man works out like a beast and is a genetic freak, hats off to him.
My point in all of this was that you cannot apply a juicers training regime to a natural athlete for several reasons such as: overtraining, drops in testosterone levels after periods of time, cns burnout, lean mass retention, a much lower rate of muscle synthesis and shittier genetics than a top level pro.
With this said, this does not make cutlers cardio advice irrelevant, but it has to be taken with a pinch of salt, tweaked and applied to individuals differently. | |
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Posted: 6/18/2008 3:28:41 AM | Show me where I said he isn't serious about body building. You can't, because it was never said.
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Posted: 6/18/2008 3:43:23 AM |
Show me where I said he isn't serious about body building. You can't, because it was never said.
"my money is on those who are serious enough to do things naturally" | |
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Posted: 6/18/2008 3:49:59 AM | That statement does not say that Jay does not take body building seriously. That's a very big stretch you're making. lol.
"I can't take a drug user seriously," is not the same as saying "the drug user isn't serious about his sport."
And yes, if I'm going to take advice from someone, I'll take advice from someone who isn't all juiced up on steroids. | |
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Posted: 6/18/2008 3:54:24 AM | You didn't say "I can't take a drug user seriously," you said Jay himself wasn't serious enough about things (i.e. fat loss/bodybuilding) to do things naturally.
So much for being able to admit when you're wrong. | |
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Posted: 6/18/2008 4:01:35 AM | It's the same as saying - If given the choice between A (steroid user) and B (natural) I'm going to choose B. Why? Because B I can take seriously.
My opinion hasn't changed and likely wont.
My SO is very serious about his sport. He has been body building since High School, which was 20+ years ago. It takes a LOT of work to maintain. Every day in the gym, 2 hours a day minimum. Serious dedication and diet. He has plateaus, all BB's do. If I ask advice on how to overcome a plateau, I'm going to ask the guy who didn't switch up his juice to get past it.
Why is that so hard for you to accept?
In the end, when I re-read what the OP stated, it was no different than the advice of my boyfriend. I mis-interpreted his first post. I readily admit that, no problem. This point? I wont budge.
PS I've uploaded an older pic of my SO to my profile. I don't have a current one on the computer. All natural, beautiful muscle. :) | |
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Posted: 6/18/2008 4:07:24 AM | | That dude is either an idiot or on gear if he is working out for 2 hours a day minimum. | |
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