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 sanderick

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Posted: 6/17/2008 11:47:59 AM
This sick animal was finally hanged in Japan for this crimes.

Question at the bottom.



Japanese 'cannibal killer' executed in Tokyo


Japan’s most reviled serial killer – a “cannibal nerd” who preyed on primary-school girls and drank their blood – has been executed in Tokyo.

The hanging of 45-year old Tsutomu Miyazaki brings to 13 the number of death-row inmates who have faced the gallows since last August: a pace that has provoked rising criticism of Japan’s new justice minister, Kunio Hatoyama.

But even amid growing public discomfort in Japan over the continued use of the death penalty, the hanging of Miyazaki raised few little in the way of condemnation.

His crimes may have taken place two decades ago, but the mere mention of Miyazaki’s name remains sickening for many Japanese. Unrepentant throughout his long run of trials and appeals, Miyazaki entered Japan’s public consciousness as one of the worst monsters the country had produced.

A voracious sexual predator, he kidnapped girls aged between four and seven years old, molested and murdered them. In some cases he ate parts of their bodies, in others he slept next to their corpses.

"The atrocious murder of four girls to satisfy his sexual desire leaves no room for leniency," Chief Justice Tokiyasu Fujita said in January 2006 when Miyazaki’s final appeal was thrown out and the death penalty handed down.

During his trial, Miyazaki sketched cartoons and often talked nonsensically. He blamed the outrages of which he was accused on a “rat man” alter-ego of himself – a character he also drew in cartoon for the court. Miyazaki’s defence rested in the argument of his lawyers that he was not mentally fit to be held responsible for his crimes. Court-ordered psychiatric examinations reached no unified conclusions.

His extraordinary appetites for pornography and manga comics gave the Japanese media its first example of a “killer geek”. Since then, it is a label that has been repeatedly applied to any murderer who appears to share those tastes – last week’s stabbing frenzy in Tokyo’s Akihabara electronics district was carried out by a man instantly branded in the public eye as a killer geek.

For his victims’ families and Japanese society at large, the Miyazaki killings were particularly shattering. Miyazaki began his spree of abductions and killings at the very peak of Japan’s 1980s economic bubble – a phase where the country’s mighty corporations seemed to hold the world at their feet and society boasted of its unique “harmony”.

Miyazaki’s hanging, which was carried out with the executions of two other convicted murderers yesterday, comes as the question of Japan’s continued commitment to the death penalty has come under close scrutiny. The country is to introduce jury trials for murder cases next year, and the question of how far ordinary Japanese will be happy to sentence criminals to death has yet to be resolved.

Prime Minister Yasuo Fukuda told reporters yesterday that there had been no discussion about halting the executions. “In Japan, the majority view is that capital punishment should be maintained, so I feel no need to change what we have continued doing until now.”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article4156285.ece


In a case like this.

If he WAS deemed not mentally fit to stand trial.

Would it really matter. The case is pretty open shut. No one else did these crimes. They got the right guy.

Ok, even though this animal is already dead. Here is the question.

Question:

Should he have been spared execution due to not being mentally fit?

My thought is that he committed the crimes and regardless of his mental state, he broke the law and must face the consequences of his actions.

What do you think?
 Just_2_b_me

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Posted: 6/17/2008 11:57:58 AM
Hang em High .....
 Captain Girly Girl

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Posted: 6/17/2008 12:04:19 PM

The Death Penalty - When is it ever justified?


I'm going to go with never.

I'm one of those people who think that life is sacred, and with the exception of self defence, no matter what you do, no one has the right to take it from you. It seems awfully hpocritical to kill people who kill.

As for mentally unfit, the idea that we would kill people who are incapable of understanding the wrongness of their actions is appalling.
 verygreeneyez

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Posted: 6/17/2008 12:28:33 PM
~OP~ I'm sticking with my "if DNA proves the act was commited by that person" theory ~ stick the needle in. I'm also of the firm opinion that many many many people on death row today will/should be cleared via DNA, if and when their case rolls around for inspection of the evidence. We see it time and time again ~ long-time prisoners being held for 15+++++ years only to be exonerated via DNA. If the shoe fits (meaning DNA) however and the crime is punishable by death ~ so be it. Get on with it. JMO
 atouchoftink

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Posted: 6/17/2008 12:38:16 PM
Ask the victims families!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 cdngodfather

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Posted: 6/17/2008 12:39:08 PM
Am I supposed to get all sentimental, teary and weepy eyed because some bas tard got executed....I say Hooray for the Country of Japan for getting rid of society's worse inhabitants , they are leeches to society and a waste of oxygen.

For those who say " oh poor guy, hes mentality unstable" to that I say thats the biggest crock of shit , this isn't a guy who killed in front of other people, he knew it was wrong, he did it in the privacy of his own home, not on the main street in Tokyo

IMO, the death penalty should be for people who are mass murderers/serial killers, multiple convicted and cannot be rehabilitated child molesters .

They kept Charles Manson alive all these years and for what? what did the psychiatrist learn about Manson besides he's a sick f uck, and how does society benefits from keeping him alive? the only thing they accomplished by keeping this sick f uck alive is how to have conferences in tax haven countries discussing how to get their books on the New York's best sellers list and make a movie of the week on ABC.

And for those who will say " the death penalty is wrong because some innocent guy could get killed" I didn't say for all murders I said for serial killers/mass murderers, multiple convicted rapists, people who cannot be rehabilitated.

Any ways Good for Japan
 Soul Union

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Posted: 6/17/2008 12:49:18 PM
He committed the crimes and regardless of his mental state, he broke the law and must face the consequences of his actions. What do you think? > sanderick


Now that we are all politically correct wimps, I think the taxpayer should pay for his crimes.

He should be given a comfortable cell, preferably on his own so he is not disturbed, given access to whatever books he wants, educated to degree level and helped through his degree, given access to a computer, with three meals a day and plenty of visitor privileges. And the bill? Well, that albatross should be placed around the neck of the law-abiding citizen, the taxpayer. Anything else is not politically correct.

Punish murderers? Why, the United Nations would balk at the very idea of it. Look how they view Singapore and other virtually crime-free nations.

Here in New Zealand, where I live, we have rapes and murders and all manner of brutal acts on almost daily basis. Our Godless, UN-crawling Prime Minister, Helen Clark, wrings her Marxist hands, mumbles platitudes about how 'dreadful' it all is, but does she do anything about it? No chance. The United Nations don't want us to end up like Singapore - a virtually crime-free nation, a nation that hangs rapists let alone murderers.

Ah, political correctness. You can't beat it. Bring it on.

- Soul Union
 tralala

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Posted: 6/17/2008 1:49:41 PM
he needed to die ....

frankly, i'm tired of my tax dollars going to pay for everyone else.

goodness, why do i have to pay for everyone and all that they do?

can ya help me out here?

To be perfectly honest ... i'm sick and tired of being "politically corect" <<< GEEZ
 tjrogelio

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Posted: 6/17/2008 1:58:57 PM
Look it up....it costs a lot more to execute someone than it is to keep him/her imprisoned for life...at least, in the US
 Byrd

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Posted: 6/17/2008 2:04:08 PM
I think cold blooded killers rapists and child molesters and people who torture others should be nuked..I really would have no problem pulling the switch on child molesters not in the least bit..Having had experienced being raped and tortured as well as witnessing a homicide of a friend when I was a kid I know how cold some people can be..But only if there is no doubt that person committed the crime since there exists abuse of our justice system, not everyone is guilty in prison.
 sanderick

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Posted: 6/17/2008 2:07:41 PM
gelio, If your statement is true. Which I am absolutely sure that it isn't. Then you should provide proof to back up your claim, instead of just saying. "look it up".

Anyone can throw unsubstantiated claims around.




According to Corrections Department spokeswoman Margot Bach, it costs $90,000 more a year to house an inmate on death row, where each person has a private cell and extra guards, than in the general prison population. That accounts for $57.5 million annually.

http://www.house.gov/list/speech/ca03_lungren/030605deathrowoftenmeansalonglife.html


I am sure that a shot and needle, a jolt of electricity, or a rope used for about 5 minutes, cost much less than $90,000.
 ontour2008

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Posted: 6/17/2008 2:15:20 PM
I say stun gun them, then mace them, then shoot them in the knees then...and so on and so forth... If the crime is brutal, so should the punishment be as or more so.
 h0ldfast

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Posted: 6/17/2008 2:22:49 PM
I never understood the reason that some people view mental state as an excuse for crime. Justice demands that if a person did a certain crime, and that his guilt is proven in a fair trial, he should suffer an appropriate punishment. For cannibal nerds like this guy, the death penalty seems appropriate. To keep it civilized, make it a quick, clean death, but I can't see any reason that he deserves any greater degree of mercy.


it costs a lot more to execute someone than it is to keep him/her imprisoned for life...at least, in the US

The execution costs far less. What costs more is the endless legal and administrative costs for measures put in place by pro-crime bleeding hearts and parasitic lawyers to draw out the process for decades. If they introduced fast track legislation to ensure that the condemned were executed promptly and efficiently, e.g. within five business days of sentencing, the death penalty would save untold millions.
 tjrogelio

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Posted: 6/17/2008 2:23:07 PM
Sanderick: don't be so sure about that.

http://fnsa.org/v1n1/dieter1.html
 sanderick

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Posted: 6/17/2008 2:31:54 PM
Don't be sure about what?

If you have a point. Please try to make it. If you just want to post links. Design your own website.

If you can't simply state your argument, position and be able to back it up.

Why are you wasting everyones time? Why should we pour through your links to guess as to which part of the content relates to your UN-stated position?

Don't worry. I doubt anyone will take the time to follow your wild goose chase, what ever it is.

If you can't at the very least, articulate your point, you shouldn't waste peoples time.

next...
 cdngodfather

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Posted: 6/17/2008 2:32:25 PM
tjrogelio, you're kidding me right? you're falling for the old its cost more to execute them vs keeping them behind bars? good Lord man.

First compare apples to apples instead of pineapples to apples. The death penalty costs reside mainly in appeals costs. Life without parole prisoners get the same appeals and should be considered to bear the same costs.

If we only allowed appeals that are relevant in proving an individual's innocence and eliminated the many more that are used merely as delaying tactics, it would save a large amount of taxpayer money

So I don't buy that argument that it cost more to execute the pieces of shit, IMO kill the bas tards , no mercy and get it over with .
 tjrogelio

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Posted: 6/17/2008 2:47:48 PM
Okay, I am definitely against the death penalty. Some posters talked about the cost of keeping someone is prison for life. In most of the states I researched, it cost nearly $3,000,000 to execute a person as opposed to $850,000 to keep that same person in a high security facility for 40 years.

I didn't mean to waste your time.
 tralala

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Posted: 6/17/2008 2:51:40 PM
tjrogelio,

kinda wonder how ya figure cost ...

more to execute? than keep someone in prison for life?

electricity would be how much? how much voltage does it take to kill a person?

a bullet doesn't cost a whole lot ... and ya don't have to pay me ... i'd be happy to do it.
allow me to go to the range ... to make sure i'm on target.

but ... your in Mexico ... yeah for you
 gizmosellschickens

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Posted: 6/17/2008 2:56:09 PM
Cost more to excute a person then to incarenrate them to begin with. Still, the jury decides this convicted person committed a crime so disgusting to warrent it then death penalty should be appield. First, death sentences should be reversed for sexaul predator of childern, murdering childern, terrorist turning childern into suicide bombers. Explioters of childern should die why feed and house something disgusting let it breathe.
 tjrogelio

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Posted: 6/17/2008 2:56:39 PM
What does living in Mexico have to do with it? And, I'm sure you'd be happy to do it.

As far as costs go, I was just chastised for posting links to prove my point, so if you'll do your own research, you'll see that what I say is true. I have no reason to make this stuff up.
 shoppingformyshop

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Posted: 6/17/2008 3:01:37 PM
Interesting that mostly men are posting to this topic. I agree with most of you. If DNA proves the person is guilty of such sick crimes (I agree with those cdngodfather states) he/she should be killed. I am generally a lover of peace and pro-life person, except for certain circumstances (like rape and incest when it comes to abortion and serial killers/child molesters when it comes to capital punishment).

Pisses me off beyond belief that we pay taxes to house/feed/defend these criminals for decades and Manson is a perfect example. They should get what they gave, but the legal system is generally too soft for that and goes with lethal injection, gas, hanging, etc. - after decades of spending our money to keep them alive.

If a criminal knew in advance he/she would suffer through the same torture he inflicted on his victims, think that would be a deterance to crime? Maybe not, as these people are obviously wacked out of their minds OR use that as their excuse. There is no excuse. Just DO IT!
 Magnificentlady

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Posted: 6/17/2008 3:04:45 PM
I've heard that too, that it costs more to kill a person, but just doesn't make sense. I think we could collect more than enough to kill G. Bush.
 taylor97526

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Posted: 6/17/2008 3:18:45 PM
In response to Captain Girly girls post, even if it was one of your family members?
 sanderick

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Posted: 6/17/2008 3:27:28 PM
In a case like this.

If he WAS deemed not mentally fit to stand trial.

Would it really matter. The case is pretty open shut. No one else did these crimes. They got the right guy.

Ok, even though this animal is already dead. Here is the question.

Question:

Should he have been spared execution due to not being mentally fit?

My thought is that he committed the crimes and regardless of his mental state, he broke the law and must face the consequences of his actions.

What do you think?
 Ian_C_69

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Posted: 6/17/2008 3:28:43 PM
Here in the UK we abolished the death sentence in the mid1950's. I for one, and may I add an increasing number of others here, feel it to have been a major mistake with many people openly calling for the return of capital punishment.
At the time I believe one of the reasons given behind the abolition was a number of high profile miscarriages of justice. In this day and age, with the numerous advances in DNA technology, these types of mistakes are much less likely to occur. In fact almost every headline grabbing murder case of the last decade has resulted in the correct person being arrested, charged and imprisoned.
These murderers, regardless of mental condition at the time of the crime, should have to face the possibility of execution. Perhaps a seperate hearing after the initial trial could be held to decide if execution is warranted, also by jury.
I am also in favour of a return to corporal punishment for habitual offenders. The growing knife crime epidemic here in the UK could be brought to an abrupt halt if those carrying the knives knew that a far worse punishment than the current slap on the wrist awaited them.
This country has become far too soft on crime and we need to start thinking more about the victims of crime than the "rights" of the criminals. The cushy life many now enjoy in prison is anything but a deterant and is actually a motivation for many to reoffend on release in order to go back inside. Prison is supposed to be a horrible experience, 3 hot meals a day and rooms with satellite television and computer games doesn't exactly sound horrible to me ! We need a complete overhaul of the penal system in order to ensure that if an individual does go to prison they come out with only one thought ringing through their head - "I NEVER WANT TO GO BACK TO THAT HELLHOLE EVER AGAIN"....then and only then will we see crime rates drop and our streets start to become safer for honest law abiding people again.
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