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 get_mad_baby

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Documents confirm U.S. hid detainees from Red Cross
Posted: 6/17/2008 11:56:33 PM

WASHINGTON — The U.S. military hid the locations of suspected terrorist detainees and concealed harsh treatment to avoid the scrutiny of the International Committee of the Red Cross, according to documents that a Senate committee released Tuesday.

"We may need to curb the harsher operations while ICRC is around. It is better not to expose them to any controversial techniques," Lt. Col. Diane Beaver, a military lawyer who's since retired, said during an October 2002 meeting at the Guantanamo Bay prison to discuss employing interrogation techniques that some have equated with torture. Her comments were recorded in minutes of the meeting that were made public Tuesday. At that same meeting, Beaver also appeared to confirm that U.S. officials at another detention facility — Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan — were using sleep deprivation to "break" detainees well before then-Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld approved that technique. "True, but officially it is not happening," she is quoted as having said.

A third person at the meeting, Jonathan Fredman, the chief counsel for the CIA's Counterterrorism Center, disclosed that detainees were moved routinely to avoid the scrutiny of the ICRC, which keeps tabs on prisoners in conflicts around the world.

"In the past when the ICRC has made a big deal about certain detainees, the DOD (Defense Department) has 'moved' them away from the attention of the ICRC," Fredman said, according to the minutes.

The document, along with two dozen others, shows that top administration officials pushed relentlessly for tougher interrogation methods in the belief that terrorism suspects were resisting interrogation.

It's unclear from the documents whether the Pentagon moved the detainees from one place to another or merely told the ICRC they were no longer present at a facility.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/41394.html
By Warren P. Strobel | McClatchy Newspapers


If you have nothing to be ashamed of, you don't hide. I'm astonished, but not surprised. What good standing we had in the world is now gone.
What about this administration does not scream treason and war crimes?
 GOD.IS.A.BULLET

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Posted: 6/18/2008 12:07:28 AM
What about this administration does not scream treason and war crimes?

Anyone who still defends this administration after knowing everything we now know about it should be approved for a labotomy.
I am terrified everytime I hear anyone who doesn't see what's happening in this country.
I will not be afraid of terrorist propaganda since I know it's a lie, but I am afraid of the morons that till think that it exists because these are the people that will continue to destroy this country and sadly there are so many morons in this country it's too many to count.

It comes as no surprise that the wrestling federation has such a huge following in this country.
 show me please

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Posted: 6/18/2008 12:16:59 AM
mc clatchy papers are no longer seen as a credible source today, as they have a liberal agenda which they constantly push.

im sorry these "detainees" were in the least made unconfortable while they were busy killing americans. perhaps we should get them court appointed lawyers and make sure all their miranda rights are upheld?

there are some very good russian, chinese, and arab foreign language courses available both online and at at local schools and universities. why not take those and leave?
 CharlesEdm

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Posted: 6/18/2008 12:29:09 AM

mc clatchy papers are no longer seen as a credible source today, as they have a liberal agenda which they constantly push.


So first you deny the credibility.


im sorry these "detainees" were in the least made unconfortable while they were busy killing americans. perhaps we should get them court appointed lawyers and make sure all their miranda rights are upheld?


Then you deny there is an issue with Americans torturing people.


there are some very good russian, chinese, and arab foreign language courses available both online and at at local schools and universities. why not take those and leave?


Then you give the old America Love it or leave it line.

Maybe he is bringing up the issues with the current administration because he actually loves the freedoms that the United states is based on? More than he simply hates people with darker skin?
 get_mad_baby

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Posted: 6/18/2008 12:45:53 AM

mc clatchy papers are no longer seen as a credible source today, as they have a liberal agenda which they constantly push.

Of course the truth has a well known liberal bias.

Seriously, hidden from the red cross, you're ok with this? It's not like we're the first one doing it. The Nazis were doing it too, and the Soviets, and the Khmer Rouge. This is America pulling a deception like at Theresienstadt. Hiding, lying, shuffling prisoners around like a game of three card monty.

And you have the nerve to tell a patriotic, thinking, questioning citizen to leave. Why don't you leave? You're helping to subvert America with your head in the sand denial of war crimes your government is committing.

Here's some more news sources. The first is the Washington Post. Or are they too liberal for you?


The findings, detailed in a hearing Tuesday, brought rebukes of the Pentagon effort from Democrats and Republicans alike.

"The guidance (administration lawyers) provided will go down in history as some of the most irresponsible and shortsighted legal analysis ever provided to our nation's military and intelligence communities," said Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., an Air Force Reserve colonel who teaches military law for the service.

The hearing is the Senate Armed Services Committee's first look at the origins of harsh interrogation methods and how policy decisions were vetted across the Defense Department. Its review fits into a broader picture of the government's handling of detainees, which includes FBI and CIA interrogations in secret prisons.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/17/AR2008061700241.html
© Copyright 1996-2008 The Washington Post Company


Here's Forbes.



WASHINGTON (AFX) - CIA interrogators apparently tried to cover up the death of an Iraqi 'ghost detainee' who died while being interrogated at Abu Ghraib prison, Time magazine reported today, after obtaining hundreds of pages of documents, including an autopsy report, about the case.

http://www.forbes.com/home/feeds/afx/2005/11/13/afx2333394.html
© 2006 Forbes.com Inc.™


I can post more articles from more respected news outlets, but that will just make you look more and more like the fool you are.

It is no wonder our standing in the world is diminished.
 teachpeace

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Posted: 6/18/2008 6:39:57 AM
Yes, yes....odd that true patriotism would involve reading and investigation and constant questioning. Otherwise, who knew? Those in power might actually hatch a funny little plan that involves killing our sons and daughters so that the elite can give their golfing buddies more bucks. And turn us into a country that participates in the worst of the worst. But wooo hoooo "my country, right or wrong!!"
Obama '08
 get_mad_baby

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Posted: 7/14/2008 8:00:36 PM
International Committee of Red Cross Says Bush Administration Guilty of War Crimes


Red Cross investigators concluded last year in a secret report that the Central Intelligence Agency’s interrogation methods for high-level Qaeda prisoners constituted torture and could make the Bush administration officials who approved them guilty of war crimes, according to a new book on counterterrorism efforts since 2001.[..]

The book, “The Dark Side: The Inside Story of How the War on Terror Turned Into a War on American Ideals,” by Jane Mayer, who writes about counterterrorism for The New Yorker, offers new details of the agency’s secret detention program, as well as the bitter debates in the administration over interrogation methods and other tactics in the campaign against Al Qaeda.[..]

Citing unnamed “sources familiar with the report,” Ms. Mayer wrote that the Red Cross document “warned that the abuse constituted war crimes, placing the highest officials in the U.S. government in jeopardy of being prosecuted.” Red Cross representatives were not permitted access to the secret prisons where the C.I.A. conducted interrogations, but were permitted to interview Abu Zubaydah and other high-level detainees in late 2006, after they were moved to the military detention center in Guantánamo Bay, Cuba.

The book says the C.I.A. shared the report, which Ms. Mayer first described last year in less detail in The New Yorker, with President Bush and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/11/washington/11detain.html?_r=3&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&adxnnlx=1215846323-4HnhYjtG+yxv0FfoCJBBtg&oref=slogin
By SCOTT SHANE Published: July 11, 2008


Bush approved torture, torture is a war crime. Any excuses from the Bush apologists? Bring 'em on.
 sanderick

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Posted: 7/14/2008 8:12:13 PM


were permitted to interview Abu Zubaydah and other high-level detainees in late 2006


Goodness Abu Zubaydah said it was, so, it MUST BE TRUE....

 get_mad_baby

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Posted: 7/14/2008 8:15:05 PM
I asked for an apologist, and I recieved.


Goodness Abu Zubaydah said it was, so, it MUST BE TRUE....

And what do you mean by that? Care to defend your remark?

This is about Bush lying again. Bush Says "America Does Not Torture." Yet, we were torturing. War crimes. America has lost it's way, and certain people are not only defending it, but laughing about it. Case in point look above.
 Draskinn

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Posted: 7/14/2008 9:47:34 PM
What about this administration does not scream treason and war crimes?


Yep I’ve been saying that for a while now


What good standing we had in the world is now gone.


Bush and his cohorts dancing at the end of a rope may get us some of that back. Treason during time of war is punishable by hanging after all.

It would be very interesting to hear what Mr. Bush would say to try to save himself.


Then you give the old America Love it or leave it line.


Yeah I’m getting a little tired of that one myself. I’ll take option 3 change it.
 Paumanok

Joined: 6/15/2008
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Posted: 7/14/2008 9:58:14 PM

"True, but officially it is not happening," she is quoted as having said.
That is normal for the US government. There is a domestic show put on for population management, and then there is what really happens. The war is a crime overall. The individual crimes that make it up are of the same cloth as the whole.

People go by what you do, not by what you pretend to believe in. When you invade countries, kill and maim civilians, unjustly imprison people, and torture and kill people in custody, well, that is what you will be known by. And that is the chicken that will come home to roost, along with cows coming home. Which came first, the chicken or the cow?
 oddsrhuge

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Posted: 7/15/2008 12:47:38 PM

I asked for an apologist, and I recieved.
Not surprising, as there are so many just lying in wait to defend the actions of a man (albeit, a puppet), who's arrogant statements and contempt for the very citizens he swore to represent are always just another "slip of the tongue" away. He has shown contempt for the constitution and international law, has literally declared himself above domestic law and yet more and more of the apologists come out to defend him from the evil tin-foil hat wearing bashers.

Peace
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