| I'm obese... Lets get lat-band surgery
Posted: 6/20/2008 2:52:53 AM | Sick and tired of seeing all these obese people floundering around saying the only way they can control or lose thier weight is by this lat-band surgery. Also it is the only way; it is "life saving".
My understanding is all the band does is make the stomach smaller, suppressing appetite. So, all it does is make the person eat less.
So lets get this straight, an individual needs this "life saving" surgery to make them stop eating less... Not more healthy but less.
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When does one use any restraint in thier life, take onus upon themselves to stop eating junk food instead of saying "well, its not my fault... so instead of stopping i'm just going to get the tax payer to pay for my lat-band surgery"
It seems all the blatant advertising and media coverage people ignore. Nothing beats sensible eating and regular exercise. Of course genes, medication ect make it more difficult for some individuals... but if you sit on your arse stuffing your face of fast food every day.... WTF do you think is going to happen? you have to think, energy intake to energy expenditure. you consume 3000KJ per day, and expend around 2500KJ... its not rocket science.
How disappointing it is to hear that australia is the fattest nation around. I am proud of myself that i keep fit and healthy. I hope others can do the same.
What are other peoples opinions?
To me its a simple equation of [problem<---soloution] . Also, have other men been asked (in my case many women) for a dead set honest opinion about thier looks and weight ect; then recieve a tirade of insults after the person goes on the offencive when you tell the truthful answer? I think i am being honest and even sympathetic to some when asked... Maybe its how i asked i am not sure.
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| I'm obese... Lets get lat-band surgery
Posted: 6/20/2008 3:33:35 AM | What a thread.....Do you have a death wish or something??
Seriously though, if it helps, it helps and thats got to be a good thing. For many people food is an addiction the same as smoking, drinking or gambling and they need help to overcome it. I dont know much about how you go about getting this surgery. I would assume and hope that there is much counselling involved beforehand to try and resolve the issue before surgery is resorted to. I dont think anyone would resort to such major surgery unless they had failed at all the alternatives.
Surely its a good thing and maybe a bit of support is better then criticism, if it helps someone regain their health then im all for it to be honest. I can however see and appreciate how it might p1ss some people off.
Ohh and if a woman asks you if her ass looks big and you reply yes then you are doomed. You are meant to lie.......it says so in my edition of 'Copping off for dummies'!!! | |
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| I'm obese... Lets get lat-band surgery
Posted: 6/20/2008 3:55:50 AM | I was under the impression that when a woman asks you a question like that they are just fishing for compliments as they need to hear a few positive things or they need to know that they are attractive to you or attractive in general.......it is like when a man asks if they were any good in bed........they don't want the woman's honest opinion......they are fishing for a compliment lol.
As i understand it, some people have a gene which doesn't work properly so they do not know when they are full and this gene is also responsible for the person having low metabolism.......since they need extreme discipline to lose a lot of weight.........most simply fail to lose weight so as a last resort, they reduce the size of there stomach which makes it much easier. Being obese has terrible health consequences for the person so it is better to give them this. It is also good for tax payers i guess, it isn't the real issue, but less weight equals less strain on the health system. This can also be helped with psychological health if that is an impact on there eating as it is sometimes. | |
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| I'm obese... Lets get lat-band surgery
Posted: 6/20/2008 4:14:33 AM | I think it is lap-band surgery, and sounds like a 'last resort' scenario to me. In any case it is major surgery which always comes with the possiblities of complications so it should not be taken lightly. It is my understanding it is a life long thing, you can not eat normally again as your stomach is shrunken, and I wonder if it is reversible??
Is it just symptomatic of our society "I want it and want it now" and am not prepared to put in the hard work, effort to get it?
I understand people have weight problems due to inherited genes etc . but you would have to think long and hard before doing this. I do know a 22 yr old who is considering it, she lives on junk food, doesn't excercise, and has convinced herself and her parents who are willing to pay for it that this is the ONLY way she can loose weight. In her case I am sure she will have the op then hope to continue having choc chip cookies for breakfast, eat takeaway 5 times a week, etc.
It is relatively new surgery as far as I know so I wonder what sort of unforeseen complications might crop up in a few years time?? | |
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| I'm obese... Lets get lat-band surgery
Posted: 6/20/2008 4:51:49 AM | My understanding is that the surgery makes you extremely ill for ages. I saw an interview once where the lady had had the surgery and it didn't sound like fun. An extreme measure when all else has failed and you're looking an early death in the face.
I have a better idea.
Just as pubs are required to serve alcohol responsibly and casinos have programs to help compulsive gamblers I think take away food outlets should have measures to serve food responsibly. I suggest a scale in the door mat. On my way into my favourite bakery (Bindoon Bakery...mmm Mmm!) if I cant pass the maximum weight allowance a red flashing light goes off with a recorded voice saying, "Do not serve mud cake to this person!"
For now I just have to rely on self discipline and the knowledge that I have to face up to the scale at Weight Watchers next week. :laugh: | |
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| I'm obese... Lets get lat-band surgery
Posted: 6/20/2008 5:33:02 AM | you are right, it is LAP band surgery.
We have a family friend who is a truck driver, mid 50's, easily 130kg+. Dad says when he's at the urinal he strugles to get around his belly to reach his penis to aim it at the wall. He would eat a whole chicken, skull a whole bottle of wine, then for desert eat a whole packet of tim-tams... and this is a LIGHT night.
He got lapband surgery. However, he still forced his food and after i think 5 or so months the band snapped and he had to have it removed.
I havent heard from or about him for some time... so i cant tell you how he is going.
as for telling the partner what she wants to hear... i think thats bullshit. If i didnt perform well i would want her to tell me so we can then discuss and improve. its called POSITIVE CRITICISM and the world would be alot better with it; instead of telling every1 what they want to hear. | |
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| I'm obese... Lets get lat-band surgery
Posted: 6/20/2008 5:58:03 AM |
its called POSITIVE CRITICISM
No such thing, love. The whole idea of positive criticism of anyone's sexual performance is just scary. It might be one of those beliefs you have to re examine.
Well you're young yet. I can still remember what it was like to think I knew the answers. Now I'm old I cant remember what the question was. | |
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| I'm obese... Lets get lat-band surgery
Posted: 6/20/2008 6:42:46 AM | It seems all the blatant advertising and media coverage people ignore. Nothing beats sensible eating and regular exercise. Of course genes, medication ect make it more difficult for some individuals... but if you sit on your arse stuffing your face of fast food every day.... WTF do you think is going to happen?
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Haveing had half my stomach removed from cancer surgery I can assure you my friend that it's NOT just self control or common sense.
I'm going onto chemo therapy so the dieticians WANT me to increase, or at least maintain my weight.
The surgery has completely destroyed my appetite and I've lost a good 30kg. Fortunately it was 30 kg I could afford to lose. And I'm still eating less than half what I should be eating.
BUT I'm still maintaing my weight. The dieticians are not happy about how little I'm eating but are hapy that I havent lost any more weight.
So no friend. There are people out there who are genetically fat. There are fat people , out there , who eat LESS than normal people.
You got one thing right. It isn't rocket science. It's far more difficult than that. Else the doctors would already have found effective treatments for ALL cases of obesity. | |
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| I'm obese... Lets get lat-band surgery
Posted: 6/20/2008 7:20:28 AM |
There are fat people , out there , who eat LESS than normal people.
Be that as it may, they are still consuming too much. Even if they have a genetic disposition to gain fatty deposits, it will still be excess energy, since if all energy is converted, these people would not have enough to function daily. We sometimes forget that modern man in the developed world consume FAR FAR more than what is needed to function normally, so the average is way too much.
Think about this. A Vietnamese family of 7 sits down to a meal from 1 piece of chicken breast (small-average size, not those humungous ones), half a bundle of chinese cabbages and 4 cups of rice. | |
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| I'm obese... Lets get lat-band surgery
Posted: 6/20/2008 10:35:39 AM | | im having a lapband fitted in august its not an easy option its still a low fat diet you haveto follow it is just an aid to loosing weigh not a cure for it | |
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| I'm obese... Lets get lat-band surgery
Posted: 6/20/2008 1:40:42 PM | The amount of obese people out there scares me..
Since I had a mate on BL, I now take a lot more notice.. and it's simply overwhelming how many overweight people are out there. I watched a show on discovery a couple of days ago about obesity, and it certainly was an eye opener.
if someone eats a lot their stomach stretches, so they can eat more and more.. but the walls of the heart thicken which makes it harder to beat, and the fat layers limit the amount of room the lungs have to expand. They're killing themsleves, one calorie too many at a time.
Yes some people have medical problems, but the majority don't, the only problem is what they're putting in their mouth.
I don't get how people can say diets don't work.. the diet doesn't work because they dont work hard enough to break the habits that started the problem in the first place.
Losing weight shouldn't be a temporary fix, it's a habit fix. Having lap band surgery will fix it temporarily but if they go back to the same lifestyle all it was is a waste of money, a lot of pain and discomfort. | |
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| I'm obese... Lets get lat-band surgery
Posted: 6/20/2008 6:47:01 PM | excuse me mr/mrs/ms/miss moderator how did this pass the test???
i just love a fat-bashing thread, just as much as I love a woman/man bashing thread. woo hoo........!!!
i think j4ym perhaps to get answers to your questions go along to a seminar regarding lap band surgery, talk to the doctors, the surgeons, the people who have had it and the people who are thinking of having it. they may well give you a better idea of the reasons why.
obesity is a complicated issue and psychologically fraught with danger every which way you turn. i just love those people who say, well why don't you just eat less you fat pig (oh and usually the word ugly is thrown in there too). it is not quite as simple as that i wouldnt think, and it depends. not every overweight person stuffs their face night and day with junk, that is just ignorance on the part of the person that thinks so.
so, i am just wondering when the firing squad will be ready and who wants to take the first shot. should I get my hair done for the occasion??!!
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| I'm obese... Lets get lat-band surgery
Posted: 6/20/2008 6:55:55 PM | | A friend of mine's brother had lap band surgery. There were complications, and he almost died. I am not sure whether they ended up leaving it in place or not after all that went on. But for anyone who thinks it's "the easy option" for people, I hardly think so, and I doubt doctors or their patients harbour that mindset. | |
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| I'm obese... Lets get lat-band surgery
Posted: 6/20/2008 9:22:24 PM | A lap band does not solve the behaviour problem of over eating. See a psychologist first before a lap band.
Low metabolism can be increased with exercise.
If fat is genetic why are there so many skinny third world people? | |
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| I'm obese... Lets get lat-band surgery
Posted: 6/21/2008 12:06:38 AM | Call me silly but this thread doesn't sound that fair...it's kind of judging and putting people with obesity down without knowing the real reason to their obesity.
Okay some of you might call it lack of control which might be true in some cases but you need to find how this lack of control occurs. It could be due to Genetic, psychological and environmental issues? or even a combination of those.
I know my own body, I have a fantastic metabolism especially when I am active and happy with a bit of an exercise my body is just near perfect (not at the moment though needs a bit of an exercise ), but at two stages of my life when I went through emotional hardship I put on extreme weight for my frame, at one stage I went to size 14/16. I ate half as much as when I was slim and was very active for about 2 years of that time, I was extremely busy building our house, owner builder, you can imagine the extreme activity one would go through but I didn't lose even a gram of fat. Until I was happier.
Also during my pregnancy I was an ideal size the weight I carried was just the baby. After childbirth when I started feeding, that’s when the weight increased practically over night. It was my hormones and I had no control over it.
I know of many people who suffer from obesity and wish they weren't where they are but unfortunately it's a vicious cycle.
Now for those who require the band surgery, if it's emergency I would say yes go for it. True it’s a very complicated procedure but if their obesity could also put them at a risk so really it's a 50:50 chance.
The only one thing I believe is with weight gain a good physician needs to find the core of the problem and then guide the patient to the right method, which then will help the patient in how to achieve the weight loss.
The only way we become less judgemental about weight issue is when we go through it ourselves…did you know, for example people with thyroid problems have serious weight issues, they might not even be aware of this themselves. | |
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| I'm obese... Lets get lat-band surgery
Posted: 6/21/2008 12:13:28 AM | OMFG
I wasnt going to comment on this thread as I am with Gee it is just another bashing thread that shouldnt have gotten thru.
However I am going to comment because the mass of ignorance shown by the posters here is astounding to say the least and absolutely disgusting.
Yes there are some obese people who sit on their butts day in day out and stuff their faces with junk food this is a given.. the same as there are skinny people who do exactly the same thing but I dont see or hear you judging or criticising them.
There is the small matter of endocrinology that comes into play here and I am sure all you arm chair experts understand this concept well and can of course nod knowingly.
One poster here said that obese people who eat small amounts are still eating too much. Perhaps you need to study the way metabolism works. Anyone on a diet ( no matter what begining size) is destined to NOT lose weight if they eat too little. The body goes into starvation mode which forces everything eaten to be converted to fat stores hence weight gain and not loss. So in simple terms larger people who eat small amounts that do not meet their caloric needs will put weight on. To lose weight they only need to eat approximately 200 calories a day to make a difference.
The reason third world people are impacted upon differently is due to genetic make up designed to survive famine. If you are that interested google research on what happens in third world countries when we provide infant formula to babies who should have been breastfed. The health ramifications are massive because they are being given forced nutrition they would not normally get but they are being forced to digest a substance their enzymes are not able to digest.
It really pisses me off when generalisations and judgements are made by arm chair experts who do not know the people they are describing, what the underlying psychological issues are, diet. exercise patterns or any other contributing factors. Try looking in the mirror and asking yourself why you lack the insight to offer understanding and tolerance of difference. After all what makes you judge jury and executioner on someone because they represent something you dont like or agree with??
~Dons kevlar jacket and waits for the flaming~ | |
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| I'm obese... Lets get lat-band surgery
Posted: 6/21/2008 12:37:37 AM | I wasnt going to comment on this thread as I am with Gee it is just another bashing thread that shouldn’t have gotten thru.
I actually think it is a good topic, it kind of shows public mentality and intolerance about overweight people. it shows at least one reason that leads to obesity since slim is beautiful therefore it would cause weight fixation and as a result excess and incorrect dieting which may decrease metabolism.
Don’t forget there are a lot of shallow people in our world. I seriously was one of those shallow people just didn’t know better and thought obesity is the fault of obese…. I have never been obese but I know better now. | |
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| I'm obese... Lets get lat-band surgery
Posted: 6/21/2008 12:55:21 AM | Im probably going to take a beating for this but as far as I can see the majority of posters here have disagreed with the OPs sentiments and actually said that if this helps its a good thing.
So im not really understanding why the need for kevlar jackets and instant insulted feelings from some posters.........am I missing something?? | |
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| I'm obese... Lets get lat-band surgery
Posted: 6/21/2008 1:17:05 AM |
Im probably going to take a beating for this but as far as I can see the majority of posters here have disagreed with the OPs sentiments and actually said that if this helps its a good thing.
So im not really understanding why the need for kevlar jackets and instant insulted feelings from some posters.........am I missing something??
If you reread the postings most have an opinion on why people are obese. And most are misinformed over lap and surgery. Your assuming that people have instant insulted feelings... thats a pretty belittling and dismissive comment. I am not insulted by this post I am just amazed at the lack of insight and obviously prejudicial attitudes people hold because someone is overweight/obese. Maybe we should have a thread on fake boobs or penis extension surgery or botox use in the under 35's??
And for those of you wondering about the surgery:
It costs $10000 with no medicare rebate. Health funds will assist with some of the cost if you are in one for over 12 mths. You must have a medical, psychological and nutritional assessment prior to being approved for this surgery. You must have evidence that you have tried and failed to lose weight or keep it off. You are also engaged in the counselling process to assist you in making change. This surgery is life threatening as is all surgery. It is effective if used appropriately but may not achieve the hoped for results. There is a public wait list but it is something like 2 to 5 years to get on the list depending on the severity of your case. | |
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| I'm obese... Lets get lat-band surgery
Posted: 6/21/2008 1:23:02 AM | I dont need to re-read the posts to note an insulted tone, im not old enough to be fully blind yet! It is also pretty dismissive and belittling to 'assume' that we are all 'misinformed'. Some of have health care experience and we actually do know a little of what we are talking about.
A thread about botox??......I would have loads to say on one of those!! | |
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| I'm obese... Lets get lat-band surgery
Posted: 6/21/2008 1:30:39 AM | Why is a lap band acceptable but bulima isn't ? Both eat and throw up. Both screw the bodies electrolytes, both cause antisocial eating behaviour. Both have eating behaviour psychological issues.
Do you know the stats of herniated osphagus due to lap bands? | |
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| I'm obese... Lets get lat-band surgery
Posted: 6/21/2008 1:35:31 AM |
If you reread the postings most have an opinion on why people are obese. And most are misinformed over lap and surgery. Your assuming that people have instant insulted feelings... thats a pretty belittling and dismissive comment. I am not insulted by this post I am just amazed at the lack of insight and obviously prejudicial attitudes people hold because someone is overweight/obese. Maybe we should have a thread on fake boobs or penis extension surgery or botox use in the under 35's??
I saw as much as you saw in some of the posts.... I am sure I am not blind either. So maybe it's best to let it be since the posts in reply to yours are more of anger posts than giving you the chance to express your opinion and hurt over those views. | |
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| I'm obese... Lets get lat-band surgery
Posted: 6/21/2008 1:41:45 AM | | ^^Goddess, sorry to say I have more sense then to get 'angry' about a thread like this. I actually find it highly amusing how wound up people get about threads of this nature. Small things please small minds I guess and I have a very small mind! | |
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