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| House Democratic leaders put together the largest Iraq war spending bill
Posted: 6/29/2008 9:53:06 PM | If you were opposed to the War and wanted to end it.. why would you put together the LARGEST spending bill possible?
"The San Francisco Democrat, who opposed the war from the start, faces fierce criticism from the anti-war left for refusing to cut off funding for the war. She’s trying to hold together a caucus split between anti-war lawmakers, who’d prefer a showdown with the White House, and conservative Democrats, who believe cutting off the war funding would make the party look weak on national security and put its majority at risk."http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/04/28/8568/
Now, I remind you that the Democrat Leaders promised to end the War two years ago, instead they've created the LARGEST spending bill ever. | |
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| House Democratic leaders put together the largest Iraq war spending bill
Posted: 6/29/2008 9:58:58 PM | Of course they did... the same ones who said they would cut funding if necessary to end the war.. now must protect their Obama and get him elected. Cutting off funding would not set well with Middle America and MA is what this election centers on. (pun intended).
One of the biggest flip flops in American history...is how it will be viewed in later years. Couple that with the lowest Congressional approval rating by American Citizens... and keeping in mind that the Dems. are in majority. What a friggin mess! | |
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| House Democratic leaders put together the largest Iraq war spending bill
Posted: 6/29/2008 10:08:44 PM | | You make a good point..I hadn't thought about what history will say about this.. it won't be very kind I'm sure. Lawmakers can't be promising something as crucial as ending a War just to get elected and then turn around and offer the hugest spending bill ever. No wonder Dennis Kucinich is so frustrated with his party.. the Democrats... and what do the constituents think? especially the anti-war constituents.. if my Representative promised one thing and did a total flip/flop I'd be furious and would be voting him/her out the next election. | |
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| House Democratic leaders put together the largest Iraq war spending bill
Posted: 6/29/2008 10:46:01 PM |
Quick Question for you two above posters. Did you two even vote or support the Democrats in the 2006 election?
Nope did not vote in that election.
^^^ that is a question that is disingenuous as you know these two both voted for the murderer/liar twice.....
Going by your past posts, an educated guess would be that you are referring to Bush. And, you are wrong on your assumption of my voting record.
To the Original Thread Topic...
Anyone care to explain the actions of the Democrats? Remember, the American Public was promised that we would be out of Iraq... no matter what.. Absolutely would be. Promised by the Dems. running for office back then. | |
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| House Democratic leaders put together the largest Iraq war spending bill
Posted: 6/29/2008 11:06:08 PM |
I don't understand how you can be critical of the democrats when you never voted or supported them for taking the troops out of Iraq and your not critical of the party that WANTS to keep them there. I find that interesting.
I didn't want the troops there to begin with. But, we went there and I support the Troops! I can be critical of both the Admin which put them there since I did vote in that election and I am voicing an opinion ... my opinion... that the Dems are just as much to blame. All this talk of blaming only Bush is not logical.
We don't have a perfect system here in the USA...but, it's good enough that everyone and their brother are coming and/or trying to get here.
Personally, I wouldn't want to live anywhere else for sure! | |
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| House Democratic leaders put together the largest Iraq war spending bill
Posted: 6/29/2008 11:12:10 PM |
... my opinion... that the Dems are just as much to blame. All this talk of blaming only Bush is not logical.
This statement is certainly true but please don't forget that there is another party which is just as, if not more reprehensible than the democrats for this mess of a situation. | |
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| House Democratic leaders put together the largest Iraq war spending bill
Posted: 6/29/2008 11:31:09 PM | Padawan, could it be that maybe, just maybe each time talk of cutting off funding turns into the republicans and Bush demonizing the democrats and saying they don't care about the troops or their safety that they would cut off supplies to them. The politics that are being played there is why democrats did not cut off funding to end the war. Republicans spin it as them being weak on terror or unpatriotic if they don't cave in and do what this administration has done.
Truth is, Padawan and Glamour would be on the republican band wagon the day the democrats tried to cut off funding saying how unpatriotic they were and how could they vote to not fund the troops and let them starve. Oh and I almost forgot, the democrats are weak on terror too. They are in a position that they will be thrown under the bus no matter what they do. Its the republicans and the Bush administration that started playing politics with the troops lives!
PS Hi Glamour :) | |
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| House Democratic leaders put together the largest Iraq war spending bill
Posted: 6/29/2008 11:36:14 PM | They passed it because they are thinking that Obama might get elected. Let's say he's elected. Second week in office, the fringe kooks of the Democrat Party are demanding, they're marching in the White House, "Out of Iraq now." Obama says, "I hear you. I'm sympathetic. But I didn't know a bunch of stuff until I got here. The Bush administration had not been forthcoming with us. As you know, they tried to hide a bunch of things. And I hope," he will say, "I hope that we can leave soon. My hope is that we will be able to get out of there as soon as possible, but I have assessed the situation, and I am telling you tonight that this is not the best or the right time to do it. But I hope that I will be able to revise this policy in coming months."
The Democrats would love to saddle us with defeat while our president is in the White House. They would love to saddle Bush with the defeat, and they failed. They would love to gum up and sabotage the war on terror so that Bush would take the hit to improve their electoral chances in November, but once they get into office, they're not going to pull out of there. They're not going to secure defeat. They're not going to raise the white flag on their watch. This is all smoke and mirrors. They have proven it these past two years now.
The dirty little secret is, Obama is not going to saddle himself and the party with defeat in the war in Iraq and the war on terror while they're in the White House. They would love to have been able to pressure Bush. They're not going to be able to do that. So they passed the largest war spending bill. They would have loved to have been able to pressure Bush to get the troops out so they can say, "Bush lost the war. Bush admits it was horrible. It's a big mistake."
But when they're in power and they're in the White House, I will guarantee you they are not going to pull troops out of there unless they can claim that victory has been had, I guarantee you. Iraq is simply a theater in overall war on terror, and we're beating them. And we're cleaning their clocks, and it is working, and it is happening.
Every GI I come across says we are kicking ass. We have these people on the run, and they say, "How come it's not being reported?" And I said, "Precisely because of that." That's why the Democrats are not making it an issue. | |
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| House Democratic leaders put together the largest Iraq war spending bill
Posted: 6/30/2008 4:15:59 AM | Another simplistic question posed to make democrats look bad, yet again your only showing how ignorant you can be on how government works.
The legislators put together a budget based on information the republican manipulators put together for them.
I agree that they should have cut out al the payments to blackwater and other mercenary groups they have there, they should have taken out any money from covert ops that could be spent without congressional approval and oversight because we know the liar in chief will fabricate all kinds of stories to get at all the money he can get his hands on before there's a democratic president and congress to stop the corruption. | |
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| House Democratic leaders put together the largest Iraq war spending bill
Posted: 6/30/2008 6:47:51 AM | I don't understand how you can be critical of the democrats when you never voted or supported them for taking the troops out of Iraq and your not critical of the party that WANTS to keep them there. I find that interesting. What I find disturbing is the lack of outrage by Liberals and Democrats, especially anti-war folks on this forum. Those same people who complain endlessly about the deaths, cost of war, illegal war..etc..etc.. are now showing approval by their lack of outrage and passiveness that the War is continuing, as well as the cost thanks to the Democratic Leadership. This confirms my belief that the war has always been a tool for the Democrats to show contempt for Republicans and proves my belief that Democrats are using the War for political gain. | |
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| House Democratic leaders put together the largest Iraq war spending bill
Posted: 6/30/2008 7:04:18 AM |
Democrats are using the War for political gain.
Yeah, those Dems are pretty bad. At least the ones who went along with it at the outset. But they can at least say it wasn't their idea. Nah, it was your guy who, among other things, wanted revenge for his daddy and wanted to run as a wartime president in '04. I'd say that's political and criminal to boot. But rather than hold anyone accountable for dragging us there, the Right throws puny punches at Dems for funding a war Republicans now wish they'd never even heard about.
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| House Democratic leaders put together the largest Iraq war spending bill
Posted: 6/30/2008 8:12:11 AM | Instead of trying to blame everyone else, just once I'd like to hear someone on the Right say they screwed up, this war was completely unnecessary and based on a pack of lies and the people who took us there should be prosecuted. But I won't hold my breath. They'll be passing the buck into old age just like the 'president' who will spend the rest of his days swearing with a straight face that he did the right thing.
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| House Democratic leaders put together the largest Iraq war spending bill
Posted: 6/30/2008 8:47:58 AM | The Socialist, Gloalist, Multiculturalist Democratic Party, Does not really hate the war. They voted for it and they believe in it today. They just pretend like they don't want it so that the ignorant masses will vote for Obama and the other Dems. I can promise you. If the Democratic Party grabs power. They will change nothing in regards to the war. They will use the same reasons the Republicans use now. Because it's true.
The Democrats will focus on spreading thier Globalist, Socialist, Multiculturalist, U.N. Backed agendas. Not only in America, But in the middle east where they will also have influence, because of the war they voted for. They were not lied to. They knew what they were doing and what they will do. | |
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| House Democratic leaders put together the largest Iraq war spending bill
Posted: 6/30/2008 10:03:59 AM | Ms.Glamour,
The Democractic leadership if it can be called that, never takes any personal responsibility for anything they do! It's always Bushs fault. They passed the Bill for funding and voted for the war by a majority, not because Bush lied but because they knew it was the right thing to do, when Billy was in office he said Hussein had WMD and was a threat to the US..Hillary and countless others have always said that! Until it became unpopular by the radical left. The left will not stop funding to this war because secretly they know it's the right thing to do, that's why they lied to take over the House...They have not did what they said they would do Congress has the purse strings and can cut funding at anytime, they won't they know Iraq will collapse Barrock Hussein Obama will not pull the troops either if elected! But it's popular to the anti war crowd to claim they are going to end it! Just more of their yak yak yak yak..which is why their approval rating is 11% here's how the voting went down..
U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 107th Congress - 2nd Session
as compiled through Senate LIS by the Senate Bill Clerk under the direction of the Secretary of the Senate
Vote Summary
Question: On the Joint Resolution (H.J.Res. 114 )
Vote Number: 237 Vote Date: October 11, 2002, 12:50 AM
Required For Majority: 1/2 Vote Result: Joint Resolution Passed
Measure Number: H.J.Res. 114
Measure Title: A joint resolution to authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against Iraq.
Vote Counts: YEAs 77
NAYs 23
Vote Summary By Senator Name By Vote Position By Home State
Alphabetical by Senator Name Akaka (D-HI), Nay
Allard (R-CO), Yea
Allen (R-VA), Yea
Baucus (D-MT), Yea
Bayh (D-IN), Yea
Bennett (R-UT), Yea
Biden (D-DE), Yea
Bingaman (D-NM), Nay
Bond (R-MO), Yea
Boxer (D-CA), Nay
Breaux (D-LA), Yea
Brownback (R-KS), Yea
Bunning (R-KY), Yea
Burns (R-MT), Yea
Byrd (D-WV), Nay
Campbell (R-CO), Yea
Cantwell (D-WA), Yea
Carnahan (D-MO), Yea
Carper (D-DE), Yea
Chafee (R-RI), Nay
Cleland (D-GA), Yea
Clinton (D-NY), Yea
Cochran (R-MS), Yea
Collins (R-ME), Yea
Conrad (D-ND), Nay
Corzine (D-NJ), Nay
Craig (R-ID), Yea
Crapo (R-ID), Yea
Daschle (D-SD), Yea
Dayton (D-MN), Nay
DeWine (R-OH), Yea
Dodd (D-CT), Yea
Domenici (R-NM), Yea
Dorgan (D-ND), Yea
Durbin (D-IL), Nay
Edwards (D-NC), Yea
Ensign (R-NV), Yea
Enzi (R-WY), Yea
Feingold (D-WI), Nay
Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
Fitzgerald (R-IL), Yea
Frist (R-TN), Yea
Graham (D-FL), Nay
Gramm (R-TX), Yea
Grassley (R-IA), Yea
Gregg (R-NH), Yea
Hagel (R-NE), Yea
Harkin (D-IA), Yea
Hatch (R-UT), Yea
Helms (R-NC), Yea
Hollings (D-SC), Yea
Hutchinson (R-AR), Yea
Hutchison (R-TX), Yea
Inhofe (R-OK), Yea
Inouye (D-HI), Nay
Jeffords (I-VT), Nay
Johnson (D-SD), Yea
Kennedy (D-MA), Nay
Kerry (D-MA), Yea
Kohl (D-WI), Yea
Kyl (R-AZ), Yea
Landrieu (D-LA), Yea
Leahy (D-VT), Nay
Levin (D-MI), Nay
Lieberman (D-CT), Yea
Lincoln (D-AR), Yea
Lott (R-MS), Yea
Lugar (R-IN), Yea
McCain (R-AZ), Yea
McConnell (R-KY), Yea
Mikulski (D-MD), Nay
Miller (D-GA), Yea
Murkowski (R-AK), Yea
Murray (D-WA), Nay
Nelson (D-FL), Yea
Nelson (D-NE), Yea
Nickles (R-OK), Yea
Reed (D-RI), Nay
Reid (D-NV), Yea
Roberts (R-KS), Yea
Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea
Santorum (R-PA), Yea
Sarbanes (D-MD), Nay
Schumer (D-NY), Yea
Sessions (R-AL), Yea
Shelby (R-AL), Yea
Smith (R-NH), Yea
Smith (R-OR), Yea
Snowe (R-ME), Yea
Specter (R-PA), Yea
Stabenow (D-MI), Nay
Stevens (R-AK), Yea
Thomas (R-WY), Yea
Thompson (R-TN), Yea
Thurmond (R-SC), Yea
Torricelli (D-NJ), Yea
Voinovich (R-OH), Yea
Warner (R-VA), Yea
Wellstone (D-MN), Nay
Wyden (D-OR), Nay
Vote Summary By Senator Name By Vote Position By Home State
Grouped By Vote Position YEAs ---77
Allard (R-CO)
Allen (R-VA)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Bennett (R-UT)
Biden (D-DE)
Bond (R-MO)
Breaux (D-LA)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burns (R-MT)
Campbell (R-CO)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Carnahan (D-MO)
Carper (D-DE)
Cleland (D-GA)
Clinton (D-NY)
Cochran (R-MS)
Collins (R-ME)
Craig (R-ID)
Crapo (R-ID)
Daschle (D-SD)
DeWine (R-OH)
Dodd (D-CT)
Domenici (R-NM)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Edwards (D-NC)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Fitzgerald (R-IL)
Frist (R-TN)
Gramm (R-TX)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hagel (R-NE)
Harkin (D-IA)
Hatch (R-UT)
Helms (R-NC)
Hollings (D-SC)
Hutchinson (R-AR)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kerry (D-MA)
Kohl (D-WI)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Lott (R-MS)
Lugar (R-IN)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Miller (D-GA)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Nickles (R-OK)
Reid (D-NV)
Roberts (R-KS)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Santorum (R-PA)
Schumer (D-NY)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Smith (R-NH)
Smith (R-OR)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (R-PA)
Stevens (R-AK)
Thomas (R-WY)
Thompson (R-TN)
Thurmond (R-SC)
Torricelli (D-NJ)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (R-VA)
NAYs ---23
Akaka (D-HI)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Byrd (D-WV)
Chafee (R-RI)
Conrad (D-ND)
Corzine (D-NJ)
Dayton (D-MN)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Graham (D-FL)
Inouye (D-HI)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Reed (D-RI)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Wellstone (D-MN)
Wyden (D-OR)
Vote Summary By Senator Name By Vote Position By Home State
As you can see all the new anti's voted for going into Iraq...
Biden
Clinton
Daschle
Edwards
Feinstein
Kerry
Reid
Rockefeller
Schumer
Now all these so called brilliant minds want to say they were duped..lol
Ironically some of these were presidential canidates..
This is why they passed the Bill because they belive in it...regardless of what they say in front of a mirophone | |
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| House Democratic leaders put together the largest Iraq war spending bill
Posted: 6/30/2008 10:06:15 AM | Oh yeahhhh and it's gonna be SO much fun when the Dem's are finally in power. Guys, who's getting back to me on the design of that simply STUNNING purple gown I'm gonna wear to President Obama's inaugural event in Chicago?? Damnit, I need new shoes, ffs. All this globalist, socialist, MULTICULTURALIST evil that I've been propogating has been gettin' in the way of my flippin' party time.
Just as an aside about *that bill* my hamster Freddie was googling this morning and found this:
"The package approved by Congress includes a doubling of GI Bill college benefits for troops and veterans. It also provides a 13-week extension of unemployment benefits, $2.7 billion in emergency flood relief for the Midwest, and tens of billions of dollars for food aid, anti-drug enforcement, Louisiana levee repairs and many other items."
and this "Many war opponents in Congress, in fact, have expressed frustration and a sense of resignation at having to yield to the lame duck president."
Soooo Freddie was thinking, this was while we were sharing a smoke out on the porch mind you, that the Dems maybe worked on a compromise cuz otherwise they wouldn't get a dime thru for stuff they really care about. Cuz of dat dere Repub pres troll.
But Freddie gets that the Dems have to attach these efforts to funding for George's war machine or they won't pass. Ain't he just a bright lil member of the family rodentia?
This is the last war bill before Obama gets in so have at it folks. We're fully funding college for our vets coming back.....that really is the highlight of the day as I see it. Thank God that got through anyway. Gee, do you think that'll apply to vets of ALL races???
Obama '08 | |
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| House Democratic leaders put together the largest Iraq war spending bill
Posted: 6/30/2008 10:15:05 AM | Outlaw Cuban Sandwiches, Irish Coffee & Swiss Cheese! Down w/ German Potato Salad, Italian Ham & Spanish Omlettes! BOO for French Kissing!
Oh, wait.......we've ALWAYS been multi-culturalist.
Sorry, I forgot all about that tolerance/lack of persecution thingie that was the main humanitarian impetus for many people starting to emigrate to this country in the first place.
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| House Democratic leaders put together the largest Iraq war spending bill
Posted: 6/30/2008 10:24:44 AM | Just a few tidbits to address a couple of issues on this thread.
1. The original bill was laden with a lot of pork added by the Dems. This had to be renegotiated.
2. Most Republicans wanted the additional money to go to Military Personnel based on seniority. Time served. The Dems fought this.
3. Many Soldiers agreed with the Republican version of the bill because college is already funded and even they wanted to see the additional benefits be given based on years served.
4. The Republican version of the Bill was geared towards the needs of the Soldiers.. not the other 'fluff' the Democrats kept adding.
The Military should be funded appropriately...very appropriately! The Issue is what the Democrats said to gain office. They lied to the People who voted for them. It's that simple. That's what many are upset about. Me personally, I'm all for funding the Troops. Heck, I use to be one of the Troops. But, several of you here are missing the point which is sour grapes for the Ones, not me included in that, who are POed with the new Congress because they lied to the American Public to get in office. Nothing more. Nothing less. Just lies. | |
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| House Democratic leaders put together the largest Iraq war spending bill
Posted: 6/30/2008 10:42:04 AM | teachpeace since your profile you list yourself as a non smoker, I must assume the smoke you shared with Freddy must have been of the herbal kind. Which goes a long way towards explaining your devotion to the party of "cough cough Peace Man"
Just joshing you. ;-) You'll look good in purple, I just hope you have to stay home.
Padawan is back woohoo! Kickin Ass!
The Dems and the GOP have to play politics at this time of year. Funding the troops has always been a political football. I suppose the rank and file Dems realize this and delude themselves into believing that Obama will be honest with them if he's elected. Fatchance. Kind of like the conservatives deluded ourselves when the GOP said they stood for fiscal responsibility.
Seriously the Dems can't do anything differently from the GOP when they get into office because the reality on the ground dictates the actions. Like Colin Powell said "we break it we bought it" referring to restoring a functioning society in Iraq. We've broke it and now we have to fix it. | |
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| House Democratic leaders put together the largest Iraq war spending bill
Posted: 6/30/2008 10:52:30 AM | who are POed with the new Congress because they lied to the American Public to get in office.
Definately repugnant..................yet less so than lying to get into a war in the first place, IMO.
Kind of like the conservatives deluded ourselves when the GOP said they stood for fiscal responsibility.
This liberal tree-hugger would SERIOUSLY consider voting for a true fiscal conservative were they relatively centrist on the other issues.
Unfortunately my state has closed primary voting......& I'm registered Independant. | |
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| House Democratic leaders put together the largest Iraq war spending bill
Posted: 6/30/2008 11:01:52 AM |
This liberal tree-hugger would SERIOUSLY consider voting for a true fiscal conservative were they relatively centrist on the other issues.
Right on. I've always said that true conservatives are fiscally arch-conservative and socially liberal, because it's none of the government's friggin business 
Hence, a libertarian was born  | |
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