| Does your child have the right not to invite somebody to his/her party? Posted: 6/30/2008 5:33:38 AM | I found this at the Times.
Party politics of holding children's parties in Sweden
t was supposed to be a party with balloons and a birthday cake but the eight-year-old Swedish boy had not reckoned on his country’s obsession with equality and inclusiveness. Two of his classmates were left off the invitation list – and that, deemed his school – was forbidden and a violation of their rights in the strictest “nanny state” in Europe.
The case has been sent to the Swedish parliament and has sparked a national debate about individual liberty. Does a child have the right to invite anyone he wants to a party, even if he risks hurting the feelings of those who were left out?
These issues are taken seriously in a society that has a very active Children’s Ombudsman and which encourages children to voice their complaints about school and society. Sweden is the best place in the world to grow up, according to the Save the Children Fund’s 2008 index. So much so, apparently, that adults and school managers have been put on the defensive.
The Swedish pressure group Children’s Rights in Society publicised recently 1,895 complaints by children about the way their parents used the household computer to access pornographic websites or sex chatlines. The Government is now looking into the problem.
Lena Nyberg, the Children’s Ombudsman, is waging a campaign against collective punishment in schools too. Children have been complaining to her about the way that entire classes are kept behind after hours to punish an offence committed by a single pupil. “Adults at work would never accept being punished for something which a colleague is guilty of,” Ms Nyberg said.
The birthday party case takes state intervention to a new level. Before the beginning of lessons the boy had cheerfully threaded his way through the class handing out invitations. When the teacher spotted that two children had not received one he confiscated the invitations.
“One of the children had not invited my son to his own birthday party,” explained the father of the boy, who lodged an official complaint with the parliamentary ombudsman. “The other one had been bad to my son for six months. You do not invite your antagonists.”
That was not convincing enough for the headmaster or government deputies. “I believe the staff acted correctly, in a model way,” said Lars Hansson, of the Swedish Liberal party, one of the four ruling coalition partners in the country.
“It is their duty to reject any forms of insulting behaviour. To eliminate individual children from parties is not acceptable.”
The school, in Lund, southern Sweden, argues that if invitations are handed out on school premises, which are public areas, it has an obligation to ensure that there is no discrimination. It is irrelevant that the party will be held in a private household.
In other societies, exclusion from a party may be considered as a rite of passage. Many Swedes seem to believe, though, that equal treatment helps to reduce the unseemly scramble for classroom popularity and the splitting of pupils into groups of the socially attractive and those children perceived as unpopular.
A poll in Dagens Nyheter, a daily newspaper in Stockholm, showed that Swedes are divided on the matter: 56 per cent believed that a child should be free to choose who attends his party and 44 per cent backed the teachers.
The debate is likely to continue until a verdict is reached in September, in time for the next school year.
“My son has taken it pretty hard,” his father told the newspaper Sydsvenskan. “No one has the right to confiscate someone’s property in this way, it’s like taking someone’s post.”
In the meantime, the boy has several years to plan a very special celebration for his 18th birthday, when he will be free to leave anyone he wants to off the guest list. | |
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| Does your child have the right not to invite somebody to his/her party? Posted: 6/30/2008 7:08:16 AM | | And I used to think our legislators wasted tax payers money by holding hearings on trivial b/s......these guys/gals take the cake......oh wait maybe that's the idea....they weren't invited to the kids party to have any cake so they thought they'd show him a lesson.....lol......I wonder how many of these Swedes have issues of depression as adults from not having think enough skin to deal with the real world. They'd better change their way of thinking and start teaching these kids how to deal with rejection cuz they're going to need some tougher skin in life than this . | |
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| Does your child have the right not to invite somebody to his/her party? Posted: 6/30/2008 8:08:49 AM | Wind--when I was younger, my mom always sent the inviations through the mail to try and avoid all that drama also. However...kids will be kids and kids tend to talk. So, even doing that, there could be hurt feelings when so-and-so finds out that there is a party that they knew nothing about.
However, I think it's ridiculous for any government to dictate that all kids have to be invited. What? So, what? Now we can't throw our kids parties w/o inviting everyone? What if I could only afford to invite 5-6 kids? Now I'm supposed to not have a party at all just because I can't afford to host 30 kids? RIDICULOUS.
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| Does your child have the right not to invite somebody to his/her party? Posted: 6/30/2008 11:19:11 AM |
In another related article, some people is now considering as "bullying" when a child is not invited to a party. Someone get the duck tape and wrap my head before it explodes!!!!!! I can't believe society is so effed up that people think exclusion from a party (OF ANY TYPE) is on the same level of destruction as physical and or verbal abuse. Ok so then here's a question where do we draw the line of inclusion? Why is it only the kids in that particular class room? Why not every kid in the entire school that's in the same grade? What about the teachers why weren't they invited? What about the kids in other grades, why should they be excluded? Why not everyone in the entire district? Wait there are 2 school districts in my town, why aren't my kids getting invited even though they go to a different school? Come on people it's a party and you (your kids) weren't invited....it's not the end of the world  | |
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| Does your child have the right not to invite somebody to his/her party? Posted: 6/30/2008 12:24:45 PM | | I agree with everything you're saying, Welder's Girl. Between being PC and sparing everyone's self-esteem from evey an unintended glancing blow, you don't know whether to sh** or wind you watch. Heh! I started to say "... or go blind" but I guess that wouldn't be PC. ;-D | |
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| Does your child have the right not to invite somebody to his/her party? Posted: 6/30/2008 12:31:23 PM | I think thats totally stupid! If I would haveto invite all 30 children in my daughters class, I wouldnt be able to afford to throw her a party in the first place!
My daughter invites her closest friends to her parties. On the day of her birthday she takes cake and buns to school to give to all of her classmates. | |
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| Does your child have the right not to invite somebody to his/her party? Posted: 6/30/2008 12:49:39 PM | lol... that is crazy!!
Personally I live in a small bungalow 6-8 kids is the max that I can deal with here on my own, my kids's class sizes have always been 20 plus students.
However right from kindergarten the school "rule" is... if you are not going to invite the entire class then do not pass out invitations in class. I understand the reasoning behind that... some kids are really sensitive and will have hurt feelings if not invited. | |
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| Does your child have the right not to invite somebody to his/her party? Posted: 6/30/2008 11:25:26 PM | | Just to play devil's advocate here, not that I agree with this, but they did say that the problem wasn't that not everyone was invited but that everyone but two were. He DID invite his class but went out of his way to exclude two children. Frankly, that's EXTREMELY rude and hurtful in my books, I'm not for making anyone invite anyone but if you're going to invite your whole class, do so. | |
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| Does your child have the right not to invite somebody to his/her party? Posted: 6/30/2008 11:59:12 PM | ^ I see that side of it as well but, did the article actually give any reasoning behind it ?(I'll have to go back and read it again) Were the two outcasts some how maybe they were the class bullies? I think making it a federal issue is just insane though... no matter what the reasoning.
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“One of the children had not invited my son to his own birthday party,” explained the father of the boy, who lodged an official complaint with the parliamentary ombudsman. “The other one had been bad to my son for six months. You do not invite your antagonists.” Well there it is; one did not invite the child in question to his own party and the other bullied him.
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| Does your child have the right not to invite somebody to his/her party? Posted: 7/1/2008 8:07:24 AM |
Just to play devil's advocate here, not that I agree with this, but they did say that the problem wasn't that not everyone was invited but that everyone but two were. He DID invite his class but went out of his way to exclude two children. Frankly, that's EXTREMELY rude and hurtful in my books, I'm not for making anyone invite anyone but if you're going to invite your whole class, do so.
I see it a different way. Society has gotten too permissive when it comes to certain children and certain behaviors. I know of a case where a 9 year old child keeps pulling down his pants and rubbing his penis on classmates. In the adult world, that would get him charged... because he's a child he's allowed to get away with sexual assault and the other kids were told to just ignore it. Where are these bullies going to learn that the way they behave has an impact on their relationships with others? Learning how to get along with others is an integral part of childhood and we're not doing them any favours by allowing it at a certain age. What's going to happen to them at 18 when nobody is forced to play nice with them anymore?
I've always taught my children that people will treat them the way they treat others for the most part, and if they treat you badly they're not worth being around. Government has no place in this. Children shouldn't be subjected to bullies to save someone else's hurt feelings, and shouldn't be forced to under the law. | |
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| Does your child have the right not to invite somebody to his/her party? Posted: 7/1/2008 9:05:24 AM |
Children shouldn't be subjected to bullies to save someone else's hurt feelings, and shouldn't be forced to under the law. I totally agree, in no way am I going to be forced to invite a boy/girl who bullies my children to my house for a party all because they felt left out by not being invited. If this is an event held at school, then it should be up to the school as to who attends and the school will be responsible for any child mis-behaving. However, if my child is inviting other kids to my house, they will be my responsibilty and I certainly don't want to be held responsible for the actions of the class bully who may cause alot of trouble to my kids or other kids.
We've become a nation of babying our kids and it's getting out of hand. There are now sports teams that kids can join where it doesn't matter how bad you are, your never cut from the team and the teams never lose. At the end of each game ALL the kids get ribbons saying "MVP". Another example is that some schools have banned teachers from using a red pen to mark tests because they say that the red colour is discouraging to the kids, so the teachers are told to use green or purple... ugh, talk about turning the next generation into little whining babies! Kids need to learn about discouragment and defeat. If they aren't left out because of whatever reason or they aren't told that they lost, then what are we teaching them? What lesson are they learning?
The whole idea of the governement stepping in just to keep childrens feelings from getting hurt is absurd. | |
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| Does your child have the right not to invite somebody to his/her party? Posted: 7/1/2008 1:08:09 PM |
right from kindergarten the school "rule" is... if you are not going to invite the entire class then do not pass out invitations in class We have the same kind of rule here with our elementary schools but just for fun (and maybe a little spite) when my oldest was in kindergarten we did invite everyone in his class to the party. I took him to school that day and when he started handing out the invitations the teacher quickly walked over to me to "remind" me of the policy. The look on her face when I said we were inviting the entire class, and there by was allowed to hand out the invitations, was worth the extra few bucks it cost to have everyone there.....lol | |
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| Does your child have the right not to invite somebody to his/her party? Posted: 7/1/2008 5:18:11 PM | Boy I feel old!! In my day, my Mother & Grandmother baked cup cakes for every classmate and the party was held after recess. Just what a kid needs, lots of sugar during class time! If later, a private party, then on the School bus I would hand things out or around the village on my bike...hehehe a Schwin...do they still make those? As an American, this concept does not work for us. Hard to relate with Europe norms. I did have one funny thought though. Here in the US this would be one issue where you would see 10 ACLU Laywers working with 10 more conservative side Lawyers to fight this injustice! Freedom of speech, association, private property, big government intrusion, etc. Both sides would be sharing cab rides to and from the court and buy eachother lunches! All at tax payer cost!  | |
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| Does your child have the right not to invite somebody to his/her party? Posted: 7/1/2008 7:40:08 PM |
The school, in Lund, southern Sweden, argues that if invitations are handed out on school premises, which are public areas, it has an obligation to ensure that there is no discrimination. It is irrelevant that the party will be held in a private household. I agree. If some students will be excluded, specially when it’s only one or two, it’s unnecessarily hurtful to hand out all the other invitations while they are present. Why not hand them out privately in that case? If adults did it, it would be crass and unfeeling. If kids do it, their parents have missed an opportunity to teach proper etiquette. I would argue that the school does indeed have a right and obligation to protect children from unnecessary exclusion, and to ask parents to distribute such invitations at some other time and place. And I applaud Sweden for having a Children’s Ombudsman. Sounds like a wonderful idea. | |
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| Does your child have the right not to invite somebody to his/her party? Posted: 7/1/2008 9:48:12 PM |
If adults did it, it would be crass and unfeeling. Adults do it all the time, it's a part of life. I don't like everybody enough to want to hang out with them and so I'm certainly NOT going to start inviting everyone I work with or all my neighbors over just because they may feel left out of the BBQ I'm having. If I tell a few co-workers to come over after work for a beer, I'm telling them because I want JUST THEM to show up, I'm not going to be sending an inter-office email to have 50 people show up at my house for a drink.
If the school feels that it's cruel to the other kids, then parents and kids should start sending invites in the mail, email or word of mouth.
I agree. If some students will be excluded, specially when it’s only one or two, it’s unnecessarily hurtful to hand out all the other invitations while they are present. Hurtful to the ones left out? Tell that to the child who has been bullied by the child left out and is now forced to hand him an invite to his birthday party. Talk about cruel for the birthday boy. | |
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| Does your child have the right not to invite somebody to his/her party? Posted: 7/2/2008 4:38:10 AM |
The example of only inviting a few to your BBQ isn't a good example. A better example is if you did invite 50 people to your BBQ, everyone in your office, except for two people. Ok, so lets say I worked with 10 people instead of 50 and I invited 7 or 8 because I really disliked the other 2 or 3 (in this case, because the remaining few had been rude and been like bullies to me in the past) then it's my perogative to do so.
All of this talk of hurt feelings... we're not doing these kids any favors by inviting them to parties they would normally have never been invited to. Being left out and having your feelings hurt is a part of growing up. I'm not saying these kids should shove the invitations in the faces of those left out, but these kids are going to be left out in so many instances in thier lives, they have to learn to deal with it and move on. Because as adults, we learn everyday that "life isn't fair".The kid who can't do sports won't be picked for the school team, the kid who can't sing will be left out of the choir, the kid who can't act will be left out of the play, and the kid who is a loner may be left out by not being invited to the prom. We have to stop raising whiney little kids who cry everytime things don't go thier own way. They have to learn to deal with it and move on. | |
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| Does your child have the right not to invite somebody to his/her party? Posted: 7/2/2008 6:40:02 AM | I would argue that the school does indeed have a right and obligation to protect children from unnecessary exclusion So then why are the schools sport teams allowed to hold tryouts where they only select a few and exclude everyone else? If the school has an obligation to protect the kids from unnecessary exclusion why not allow every student interested in learning how to play the sport be a member of that team? I can remember playing for our basketball team and then getting cut one year.....it taught me nothing in life was a guarantee and to work harder till tryouts the following year so I could make it on the team again. Getting back on topic maybe if the kids who were excluded from the party were to become better friends with the birthday kid and not bully him and not exclude him for their functions then maybe they would be invited next year. | |
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| Does your child have the right not to invite somebody to his/her party? Posted: 7/2/2008 7:56:54 AM | I think the question is a little muddied. Of course a child has the right not to invite someone to a party. Thats not what this is about. Its really can a child exclude people while at school. I agree, the school did do the right thing. Those invites should have been handed out in a different manner, as opposed to such a very public display.
To make the office analogy work a little better. It would be more akin to a person very obviously going around the office and inviting the majority of people to a private bbq. The HR dept. should be expected to step in and prevent this from occuring as this creates a hostile work environment. If there is no HR, then the boss should step in. | |
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| Does your child have the right not to invite somebody to his/her party? Posted: 7/2/2008 8:13:55 AM | I think most importantly what comes to question here is the culture of it all. In the United States, our culture is widely individualistic and what happened here occurs on a regular basis without the interjection of school officials, but in Scandanavian countries, they are highly communal as reflected by their welfare state system. There is no right or wrong in this situation. I found this article to be very informative and I have a feeling it'll shed some light for why the school did what it did...
I got it from the UK newspaper, The Guardian..
British readers might be shocked to learn that a Swedish boy has been told off by his teacher for not inviting everyone in his class to his birthday party. But this is not so surprising in Sweden and the rest of Scandinavia, where inclusiveness and egalitarianism are God's law.
Excluding an individual from a group, and thereby setting him apart from the rest, is about the worst crime you can commit in Scandinavian society. So when the eight-year-old handed out the invitations to his birthday bash in class and left out two pupils, the teacher had to take action. The pair were visibly excluded from the rest of the group, so the teacher confiscated the invitations.
It doesn't matter that one of the pupils had failed to invite the birthday boy to his own birthday party, or that the other one had, apparently, bullied him or fallen out with him (reports are contradictory on this point). Everyone should be included, and no one should be left out. Ever.
This spirit of egalitarianism extends to all aspects of school life in Sweden. Students are not graded until well into their teenage years. If there's a sports race, the rankings are never be made public and would probably not even be compiled. If prizes are distributed, everyone gets one, not just those who perform best. The most important thing is that all participate and feel included in the group.
The other key difficulty was that the boy distributed the cards while at school – in other words, in a public space. If he had done it outside the school gates, he would have been fine. But the exclusion was happening in a public space, so the teacher, as a representative of that institution, should not let it happen.
Of course, not everyone in Sweden subscribes to this view. The boy's father, for instance, believes the teacher went too far and is appealing to an ombudsman. Many others will agree with him. But egalitarianism is certainly the prevalent tone of public debate in Scandinavia. While the average British politician might talk about improving the range of choices available to individuals so that everyone has more opportunities, Nordic leaders will talk about how to improve society as a whole, so that every group is represented and no one is left behind.
The Daily Mail's columnists would feel that this is a case of political correctness gone awry. But in Scandinavia, the most important thing is that everyone should be treated on an equal basis - no matter how popular or gifted they are. | |
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