| Afghanistan Troop Deaths Surpass Iraq Deaths... Is that improvement?
Posted: 7/2/2008 10:27:42 AM | ....so i guess this would be a comparative evaluation.....?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25463822/
U.S., NATO deaths in Afghanistan pass Iraq toll
Analysts say the grim tally underscores the Taliban's growing strength
For troops in Afghanistan, worries are constant
June 23: For U.S. soldiers at Bagram Air Field, precious downtime is overshadowed by Osama bin Laden, the elusive terrorist figure believed to be just over the Pakistani border from the troops. NBC's Brian Williams reports.
KABUL, Afghanistan - Militants killed more U.S. and NATO troops in Afghanistan in June than in Iraq for the second straight month, a grim milestone capping a run of headline-grabbing insurgent attacks that analysts say underscore the Taliban's growing strength.
The fundamentalist militia in June staged a sophisticated jailbreak that freed 886 prisoners, then briefly infiltrated a strategic valley outside Kandahar. Last week, a Pentagon report forecast the Taliban would maintain or increase its pace of attacks, which are already up 40 percent this year from 2007 where U.S. troops operate along the Pakistan border.
Some observers say the insurgency has gained dangerous momentum. And while June also saw the international community meet in Paris to pledge $21 billion in aid, an Afghanistan expert at New York University warns that there is still no strategy to turn that commitment into success.
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| Afghanistan Troop Deaths Surpass Iraq Deaths... Is that improvement?
Posted: 7/2/2008 12:08:24 PM | .... hey, we run the number 1 oil country in the world and the number 1 opium producing country in the world.... sounds like a road trip and a party!!!
but the weird thing is that Afghanistan is a NATO deal.... do we even count other countries troops that are killed there? | |
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| Afghanistan Troop Deaths Surpass Iraq Deaths... Is that improvement?
Posted: 7/3/2008 10:19:23 AM | | well if our loyal leader bush. would have kept his eye on the ball afghanistan. instead of invading Iraq. for still unknown reasons. afghanistan would have been better, now this moron bush wants to invade Iran. as i recall taliban was behind 9/11. not Iraq or Iran. face it bush. your an moron. | |
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| Afghanistan Troop Deaths Surpass Iraq Deaths... Is that improvement?
Posted: 7/3/2008 11:14:32 AM | well otr - let me do that google thing for you since making up your mind seems to mean no research.....
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/06/21/afghanistan/
(CNN) -- Five foreign troops were killed Saturday in Afghanistan, bringing the number of NATO and U.S.-led coalition troop deaths in June to 32 -- more than in Iraq.
A French NATO soldier stands guard in the Arghandab district of Afghanistan's Kandahar province on Friday.
Foreign troop deaths in the Afghan war have been exceeding those in the Iraq conflict in recent weeks, according to figures compiled by CNN.
The trend reflects a surge in attacks and clashes during the warmer months in Afghanistan, where U.S.- and NATO-led troops have been fighting tenacious Taliban militants. It also points to a decrease in violence in Iraq.
Four service members assigned to the U.S.-led coalition in Afghanistan were killed Saturday by a roadside bomb and small-arms fire on a Task Force Phoenix convoy, said Lt. Col. Paul Fanning, spokesman for the U.S. military.
The convoy was on a mission to train Afghan national police and soldiers when it was attacked, Fanning said. About three dozen nations have committed troops to that training effort, which includes more than 700 training teams and 8,000 trainers across Afghanistan.
... if i am not mistaken there are less troops in Afghanistan than Iraq....
and according to this site there were 30 troop deaths in Iraq....
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/iraq_casualties_jun08.htm
1 . Spc. Justin R. Mixon
2 Spc. Christopher D. McCarthy
3 Spc. Quincy J. Green 26
4 Pfc. Joshua E. Waltenbaugh 19
5 Sgt. Shane P. Duffy 22
6 Spc. Jonathan D. A. Emard 20
7 Sgt. Cody R. Legg 23
8 U/I pending notification of next-of-kin
9 Sgt. 1st Class David R. Hurst 31
10 U/I pending notification of next-of-kin
11 Staff Sgt. Tyler E. Pickett 28
12 Pfc. Thomas F. Duncan, III 21
13 Sgt. Steve A. McCoy 23
14 Sgt. 1st Class Gerard M. Reed 40
15 Pvt. Eugene D. M. Kanakaole 19
16 Lance Cpl. Javier Perales Jr. 19
17 Lance Cpl. Kelly E. C. Watters 19
18 Sgt. John D. Aragon 22
19 Spc. Jason N. Cox 21
20 Cpt. Gregory T. Dalessio 30
21 Pfc. Bryan M. Thomas 22
22 Chief Warrant Officer Robert C. Hammett 39
23 Maj. Dwayne M. Kelley 48
24 Sgt. Alejandro A. Dominguez 24
25 Spc. Joel A. Taylor 20
26 Pfc. James M. Yohn 25
27 Spc. Joshua L. Plocica 20
28 Lt. Col. Max A. Galeai 42
29 Capt. Philip J. Dykeman 38
30 Cpl. Marcus W. Preudhomme 23 | |
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| Afghanistan Troop Deaths Surpass Iraq Deaths... Is that improvement?
Posted: 7/3/2008 9:30:23 PM | | Clearly there have vast improvements in Iraq over the last several months while Afghanistan has been deteriorating. I'm curious though, now that Iraq is improving the possibility of withdrawing troops from Iraq and sending them to Afghanistan seems even more likely what will be the feelings of those who believe that Iraq was a mistake and distraction from the fight in Afghanistan in regards to a likely surge in troops to that country? | |
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| Afghanistan Troop Deaths Surpass Iraq Deaths... Is that improvement?
Posted: 7/3/2008 9:33:12 PM | I was under the impression that many Countries supported the Afghanistan invasion and occupation since Clinton had a hand in that. Why don't those other Countries pick up the slack while our troops are in Iraq? I mean they (other Countries) were gung ho for being there.
Seems like the logical solution to me. | |
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| Afghanistan Troop Deaths Surpass Iraq Deaths... Is that improvement?
Posted: 7/3/2008 9:42:12 PM | | From what our President has said this week I believe what I learned is that our troops are working very hard in Afghanistan and taking out members of the Taliban.. this is not without cost and sacrifice... remember it was the Taliban who gave aid and comfort to Bin Ladin. So I hope that MSNBC will also do a story on how hard our troops are working for all of us.. so we get the entire picture of what's going on in Afghanistan.. I hope that's not too much to ask. | |
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| Afghanistan Troop Deaths Surpass Iraq Deaths... Is that improvement?
Posted: 7/3/2008 9:46:14 PM | ... i think the gung ho thing went away when Bush and co squandered the good will of the rest of the planet after they went into Iraq under false pretenses....
...part of the problem in Afghanistan is that they've been doing this for the last 5,000 years or so.... and that Pakistan isn't allowing NATO troops into the border regions because they know they will ignite a poop storm in their own country where the government has a tenuous hold at best.... | |
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| Afghanistan Troop Deaths Surpass Iraq Deaths... Is that improvement?
Posted: 7/3/2008 10:35:56 PM | Too bad Rumsfield resigned as it would be great to hear him give another speech abot how increased fighting is just one more sign of their impending collapse. It's their last grasp!
But seriously... The real story here is it has taken the Taliban years to come back in a bigger way. We did not finish securing the country in 2001/2002 and then went full speed into Iraq. Actually stabalizing and securing much of the country wasn't even an issue. | |
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| Afghanistan Troop Deaths Surpass Iraq Deaths... Is that improvement?
Posted: 7/4/2008 3:19:52 AM | Afghanistan is a NATO operation. Problem is that there are caveats placed on many members troops stopping them from being used where they are needed , in the dangerous South. Only Canada, Britain, the US, Dutch are there in any worth while numbers. ( France is finally sending 600 paratroopers there. )
The Afghan army is getting better all the time, just this week the Canadian General in charge, stated that by 2011 he can see that the Afghan army will be able to handle any issues there. So yes, there is an improvement.
Until Pakistan is forced to so something about its border though, the Taliban will continue to attack from there. This situation has to taken care of. Pakistan is quite frankly, playing both sides of the fence. It has to stop. | |
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| Afghanistan Troop Deaths Surpass Iraq Deaths... Is that improvement?
Posted: 7/4/2008 3:35:44 AM | the big "improvements" in Iraq in 2007 were
- the ethnic cleansing by Shiities of Sunnis in Bagdad was being completed, totally independently of, in parallel with the dubya escalation. Any Sunnis or anti-Maliki Shiites have been balkanized behind numerous Berlin walls separating neighborhoods.
- Petraeus began arming Sunnis and paying 80K of them $300/month, $24M month. "peace for money" never works, solves nothing except some quiet during the election.
- the US military greatly reduced its patrolling and kicking in doors looking for bad guys, a tactic that characterized the surge escalation at the beginning. That pisses occupied people off, radicalizes them, turns them into terrorists. So the US military mostly stays home and uses UAVs to blow up/shoot up bad guys, inclucing any civilians in the vicinity. | |
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| Afghanistan Troop Deaths Surpass Iraq Deaths... Is that improvement?
Posted: 7/4/2008 6:21:50 AM |
( France is finally sending 600 paratroopers there. )
France and Germany both have sent brigade sized units into Afghanistan since 9/11. French special ops were much more active right after the war started. But since the US decided to invade Iraq and basically denigrated those who opposed us, why should we expect those same countries to provide support? Seriously.
While NATO has a significant force deployed to Afghanistan, the war itself is still mostly an American operation. Why would any NATO country invest a large portion of their military into a war the US itself has put on the back burner? The US complains about NATO not supplying enough troops, but where is our serious commitment? We invade other countries for questionable at best reasons, then expect others to handle the countries whom actually did support attacks against us? Very hypocritical imo.
I think it is amazing in itself that NATO, a European defense organization, has deployed troops thousands of miles outside of their borders. Afghanistan has been on the back burner since before the initial invasion was even over with and now we are starting to pay the price for not stablizing that country. Why should other countries contribute forces to a war that we our selves have forgotten about? | |
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| Afghanistan Troop Deaths Surpass Iraq Deaths... Is that improvement?
Posted: 7/4/2008 10:56:54 AM |
Then again wasn't it the US who gave aid and comfort to the Taliban? That was before the Taliban harbored OBL who as you know was the mastermind of attacks on our country in 2001 so the US was right to go after the Taliban..we can't give the Taliban a free pass for harboring the mastermind who killed so many of our innocent people and was also responsible for many other attacks on Amerian embassys and ships..etc.. | |
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| Afghanistan Troop Deaths Surpass Iraq Deaths... Is that improvement?
Posted: 7/4/2008 11:19:10 AM | Yes, leave it to Bush to ignore the real threat in Afghanistan and focus primarily on Iraq (red herring, definitely). We could find a needle in a haystack quicker than we
can find Bin Laden...who I belive to be long dead. But what does Bush care he has no relatives fighting his wars. How many tours does he expect from our soldiers?
Just waiting for the Republicans to begin their 'terror' threat in time for the election...
We won't be safe until Bush is back in Crawford, Texas, where he can count his cattle, hope he doesn't have more than 10! | |
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| Afghanistan Troop Deaths Surpass Iraq Deaths... Is that improvement?
Posted: 7/4/2008 12:15:47 PM | That was before the Taliban harbored OBL who as you know was the mastermind of attacks on our country in 2001 so the US was right to go after the Taliban..we can't give the Taliban a free pass for harboring the mastermind who killed so many of our innocent people and was also responsible for many other attacks on Amerian embassys and ships..etc..
“Before the Taliban harboured OBL”??? Are you sure? Right...so I guess the 43 millions that Bush gave to the Taliban in May 2001 doesn't really count? I mean, knowingly that Osama bin Laden still operates the leading anti-American terror operation from his base in Afghanistan and allegedly launched two terror attacks on American embassies in Africa in 1998, how would you call that?
Hmmm…maybe I am wrong…what do you think? | |
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