| One Punch - How serious is it?
Posted: 7/3/2008 6:04:11 AM | There's been a few cases in the media in recent times of people dying after being punched once. Partly the deaths occurred because the victims fell and hit their head on the ground after being punched.
Recently in WA there was a young guy who received a prison sentence for causing the death of a bloke who had apparently been stirring him up about being in the navy. He had punched him once outside a night spot.
Today on 9MSN there's a story about an aussie rules football player who has received a prison sentence for punching another player, having followed him off the field after a dust up during play. In this case the victim wasn't fatally injured although the report says that he had his teeth through his lip, etc.
Surely people have been punching each other since time immemorial and I would assume that occasionally & tragically people have accidentally died in the same way.
Death is a tragedy for all concerned, and learning to manage anger would be desirable but it feels like an unreasonable expectation to stop young blokes sorting things out with a punch.
Is our society becoming too sanitised? Or are young people becoming too aggressive? | |
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| One Punch - How serious is it?
Posted: 7/3/2008 6:06:37 AM | | Punch/club/knife only what you intend to eat (no rude comments even though Im sure you are all thinking it) Violence is not needed. These one punch deaths need to have more jail time. I think only one so far has been given any time | |
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| One Punch - How serious is it?
Posted: 7/3/2008 6:13:41 AM | | It's assault. Yes boys need to be boys BUT men need to figure out how to settle things without using there fists. First it's someone who pisses them off, next it's their mates, then they bring it home to their wives, girlfriends. They need to learn it is not the proper way to act. | |
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| One Punch - How serious is it?
Posted: 7/3/2008 6:28:38 AM | ^^^ Too True MistaSkier.
Violence is NEVER 'ok'.... and punchy boys have little willies.....and no balls.
Hmmmm? ...or is it little balls and no willies?
Somebody? Anybody?
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| One Punch - How serious is it?
Posted: 7/3/2008 6:55:07 AM |
Violence is NEVER 'ok'.... and punchy boys have little willies.....and no balls.
Hmmmm? ...or is it little balls and no willies?
Somebody? Anybody?
They are the nasty Hermaphrodites | |
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| One Punch - How serious is it?
Posted: 7/3/2008 7:54:58 AM |
There's been a few cases in the media in recent times of people dying after being punched once. .....There's the answer ...right there! How many times do people have to be reminded that ONE punch can kill?
Partly the deaths occurred because the victims fell and hit their head on the ground after being punched. .....Partly the deaths occurred because of alcohol and that's when 'thinking about the consequences' goes out the door.
It's assault.
One of my son's has metal plates in his face for life because he was unfortunate enough to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. That was a one 'kick' occurrence.....the culprit received 40 hours community service.
My son has his life, but not to it's full extent. The Bozo who committed this offence went on to commit further offences involving violence.
The penalties should be harsh. | |
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| One Punch - How serious is it?
Posted: 7/3/2008 8:31:32 AM | I think that the current method of dealing with one-punch deaths as manslaughter should be retained for cases of self-defence. Imagine trying to keep yourself from harm via a modicum of retaliation (in order to create the possibility for escape etc) and you accidentally kill the other person.
For all other cases, I agree with harsher punishments. It'll make people think twice before violence, or if not, think twice about drinking so much that they become potentially violent/abusive. | |
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Posted: 7/3/2008 10:13:16 AM | My best mates little brother was killed in the valley by one punch, the attacker wanted his shoes... beaten to death for a pair of shoes... ffs. Apparently the first thing the attackers father did when he found out, was to punch his son...I reckon father and son should have both done jail time...Followed by some serious anger management therapy.
Both these these guys were about 19...barely adults.
One punch, one dead kid, one kid stuck with the burden of guilt, two families destroyed...is it an unreasonable expectation to stop young blokes sorting things out with a punch...I don't think so.
I do understand what you're saying about young guys, I was one once, and all those new hormones and feelings are pretty hard to deal with. But I do think as a society we need to be helping our boys to grow up understanding that you don't have to be aggressive to be a real man and there are other ways to deal with and express those feelings.
I think there are plenty of women who's beliefs help perpetuate the aggressive male stereotype. Scratch beneath the surface and you'll often find that many women like a man that can 'fvck fight and ride a motor bike' and will make statements like 'boys will be boys' when they see guys being violent to one another.
Or are young people becoming too aggressive?
I'm not sure, but have a wander around the entertainment precinct of any major city late at night and you'll always come across plenty of aggression and violence. I think the increase in the density of people in these places is contributing to the violence. | |
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| One Punch - How serious is it?
Posted: 7/3/2008 11:30:34 AM |
I'm not sure, but have a wander around the entertainment precinct of any major city late at night and you'll always come across plenty of aggression and violence. I think the increase in the density of people in these places is contributing to the violence.
Agreed. You can't take large groups of young horny men, add scantily clad women, add copious quantities of alcohol (and other substances, but I think the alcohol is the real danger, people don't take E and get into fights) and then expect everyone to play nice.
Of course, though, the vast majority of people do exactly that.
The fights that you see happen on a weekend are a tiny proportion of the vast locust swarms that flock to the city and valley on a Saturday night. And of the fights that occur only a tiny proportion of those result in serious injury. And of those only a tiny proportion result in death.
The problem with heavier sentencing for "one punch deaths" is that it's unfair. I know you're all about to yell at me, but what's the difference between a punch that kills and a punch that doesn't? Realistically... luck.
Do we punish people now for having bad luck? Again, I'll give the answer. Yes. Drink driving is the same thing. Kill someone while drink driving, or don't kill someone while drink driving the only difference really is luck, but the first one will get you a prison stay, and the last one... merely lose your license.
What we need to do is not increase punishments for those who kill someone with a punch, but increase punishments for those who don't. Those who knock a guy down and swagger away, or those who start the fight.
Is our society becoming sanitised? Yes, probably. But is that really a bad thing? We as a society have to learn that the only time violence is acceptable is when you want someone's oil. *cough*
The only time fights between young drunk men are going to stop is when all young men learn to control their temper, and deal with conflict in an intelligent and mutually beneficial way. Personally I can't see it happening. | |
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| One Punch - How serious is it?
Posted: 7/3/2008 2:20:44 PM | the "one punch" is bloody serious. i have a friend in new zealand that was at the reciving end of one of these.
i had just returned from the funeral of a family member the week prior when i got a call saying i have to come home as mate was in hospital and the doctors didn't know if he would make it through the next 48hrs.
one punch knocked out 3 front teath , fractured skull , sweeling of the brain and since this "one punch" mate has never been able to return to full time work , suffers memory loss , partial brain damage, unsteedy hands , slured speech and has a constant mygrain.
these people that can't control themselfs and couse such harm to someone look you in the eye and say "it was only one punch" but that is all it has taken to ruin a good mans life.
mates attacker fled to australia for 2 years , on return was arrested at airport. between being arrested and facing court his lawer contacted my mate asking for compasion as the attacker had a promising career in rugby and if he was convicted would ruin his future. mates future was ruined by someone that had been drinking and throw a punch at someone less than half his size and has left him with out much of a pritty life ahead.
the penitly are no where near enough for those that carry out these cowadly attacks on a person as the damage they casue if for life and these victoms loose the right to live a normal life as the result.
for those that think the peniltys are harsh , be someone that is close to a victim and say thats too harsh. no penilty is harsh enough for the pain victims have to suffer as a result. the attacker has since completed his sentance and is living a free happy life and not for one minute has attempted to contact my mate and offer him surport in any way shape or form. this is a family man that has lost everything , wife , kids , house job , future. i think he has recived the harshest penilty of all. | |
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Posted: 7/3/2008 3:02:19 PM | I've almost been on the recieving end of a "one punch" lucky me for I was sober and the other guy was smashed and had no concept of depth perception. Not only did his punch fall short but it was about 20cm to the right of my head. He then stumbled forward and fell on his face. The policed sorted him out pretty quick after that.
I have had one friend punched in the head at the casino over one hand of poker. He'd cashed out and was good to leave and just before we got to his car the guy he busted out about 2 hours earlier hit him in the side of the head. Thankfully my friend wasn't hurt from it (glancing blow).
I feel sorry for people who have had friends and family die as a result of such assult, even more so when alcohol is involved. typical_bloke is quite correct, there's no penalty harsh enough. | |
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| One Punch - How serious is it?
Posted: 7/3/2008 3:17:30 PM | | rickau , the ones that die as a result of "onepunch" blows are sometimes the lucky ones , the ones that survive are the ones left with the hardship created by neandathols with no concern for what they have done. for most time heals wounds and they can move back into life as prior to the altercation but for the serious ones as the case of one of my closest friends he can not move foward as he is so restricted and it has ruined a good mans life. | |
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| One Punch - How serious is it?
Posted: 7/3/2008 5:36:19 PM | On Four Corners a couple of weeks ago they re-ran their story on binge drinking and played footage of a king hit assault at Surfers Paradise. The attack was cowardly and apparently unprovoked; the recipient did not as much as flinch before it landed squarely on him, breaking his jaw. One can only hope that a custodial sentence be meted out to this neanderthal given the nature of the crime (yes, he was arrested briefly after the attack). I agree with Whitegold's suggestion that heavier penalties be given to those that don't kill with the one punch, that would probably otherwise walk away with a slap on the wrist. Should violent offenders not be held until they are deemed less of a public menace?
Another case that I read about points to a disturbing trend of such cowardly attacks. A young bloke and his cousin arrived in a cab at a cab rank in the Valley, allighted, and one of the two didn't even break stride before he savagely assaulted a stranger (a young cerebral palsy sufferer half his size) repeatedly punching him before stomping on his head, doing awful injuries. The two were unknowingly caught on CCTV before they ran off towards Queen Street Mall, removing their shirts so that they couldn't be identified. Later in the night police were called to a violent incident at a pub in Caxton St. which ended in the police chasing the offenders from the cab rank incident (the police at this stage hadn't linked the two offences). In a piece of poetic justice, the more violent of the two was looking back at the police as he was running then ran face first into a parked vehicle, badly injuring his own face. The next day the police reviewed CCTV footage, made the link, and arrested the offender. In this case he did receive a custodial sentence (9 months I think). | |
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| One Punch - How serious is it?
Posted: 7/3/2008 5:56:54 PM |
I think there are plenty of women who's beliefs help perpetuate the aggressive male stereotype. Scratch beneath the surface and you'll often find that many women like a man that can 'fvck fight and ride a motor bike' and will make statements like 'boys will be boys' when they see guys being violent to one another.
Julian, whilst I generally agree with you that statement is a bit generalistic... alot of those women are on the receiving end of violence at home prior to leaving home then again in the realtionship with the "bad boy"
One punch isnt acceptable no matter who it is ... female or male ( female violence is on the rise) , but dependant on the sentencing magistrate 1 person may get a suspended sentence and another may get gaol. There isnt any consistency with sentencing and that should be sorted. Mandatory anger management courses should be included as part of sentencing ( as a minimum requirement) with a reporting requirement back to the courts.
Parents should be teaching kids from birth that violence isnt the answer | |
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| One Punch - How serious is it?
Posted: 7/3/2008 6:28:31 PM | We condone other countries for there capital punishment laws.
Thats what we desperately need in Oz,its just a country,s law.doesnt make us a third world country.
An eye for an eye | |
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| One Punch - How serious is it?
Posted: 7/3/2008 7:55:09 PM | Ive noticed alot of these posts the same words crop up 'smashed' 'drunk' 'legless' 'on drugs'............with violent attacks on people alot of those doing the 'lucky punching' have just about lost all control of their senses to their level of intoxication be it on legal or illegal substances.
I feel for these people who have suffered a life long injury at the hands of these pi**ed idiots (on either drugs or alcohol) who have a life sentance yet the ones who dished out the violence seem to get a very minimal sentance in comparison.
Sometimes the victims dont always die on the way down, often making their way home with a niggling headache only to make their way to the hospital and die some time later from a brain haemorrage. I dont know what the answer is with regards curbing it, perhaps people taking responsibility for themselves.......its a crazy plan....it might just work!!
M | |
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| One Punch - How serious is it?
Posted: 7/4/2008 12:03:40 AM | My boys and two of their friends got into an altercation a few years back (full of piss, went for walk, got into a fight, no-one serious injured thankfully) they got busted. Police found them (video camera at train station) arrested them, charged them for agravated assualt in company (was four onto one).
The victim only received minor injuries thankfully. The boys got 150 hours community service each and a 12 month good behaviour probation. They admited in court that what they did was wrong, first offence and swore under oath that it would not happen again.
I in no way condone what they did, they know they were in the wrong and they took their punishment as was due to them.
To their credit, they took they punishment without complaint, admitted that it could have been worse (like jail time) and to this day have not repeated the behaviour.
Sometimes, justified punishment does work and can deterr further behaviour......sometimes.
Violence and 'bullying' has no place in our society and should be discouraged and hopefully, with the right punishment, could and should be stopped.
And FYI, i did not 'protect' them, stood by them as any parent should do, did not condone it and yes did tell them i was disappointed in them and trusted that they learnt their lesson and would not do it again. | |
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| One Punch - How serious is it?
Posted: 7/4/2008 12:59:54 AM |
Violence is NEVER 'ok'
I think I will be using violence to defend myself if someone decides to hit me!! I'm not going to sit there and say "look violence isn't ok, so I will just let you beat me to death and I wont resist"!! | |
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| One Punch - How serious is it?
Posted: 7/4/2008 2:23:17 AM | | I think the point is that as a grown, mature man you should be able to avoid getting yourself into that situation Stanley. And that would probably extend to getting so tanked in public that you can't stop yourself. | |
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| One Punch - How serious is it?
Posted: 7/4/2008 2:30:12 AM |
I think the point is that as a grown, mature man you should be able to avoid getting yourself into that situation
True, but we all know there are some infantile meat heads who just can't help themselves and use alcohol as an excuse for why they did it. If they hit me (unprovoked) and I die, then yes they should definately go to gaol. If They hit me and I don't die but hit back and kill someone (using reasonable force), I do not believe I should be punished. | |
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| One Punch - How serious is it?
Posted: 7/4/2008 3:13:36 AM | 63off, I have to disagree with your comment
I think the point is that as a grown, mature man you should be able to avoid getting yourself into that situation
As a grown man, I should have the right to be able to go where I want in the city without fear of being someones target.
And like Stanley if I'm in a situation where I need to defend myself, I will, no questions asked. I'm not going to sit there and be atacked and not fight back.
That doesn't mean I go out looking for fights, just that I will respond if the situation requires it.
I've been the recipient of a king hit in my younger days. I was at a club and was reasonably drunk. Some guy took a dislike to me and walked over while I was talking to a mate and king hit me in the jaw from the right side. He didn't even face me, he walked up from the side and just punched me. Fortunately I think he got his ambitions and capabilities confused and other than shcoking me it didn't cause any damage, although I did retaliate and in hindsight, my response may have been a bit over the top, but it's hard to control emotions when you've just been punched in the face.
I agree that alcohol is a major concern, but it isn't always the problem. There's a lot of youth(late teens/early 20's) that have no respect for others and will confront innocent people regardless if they are drunk or not. I feel empathy for the police that have to deal with these situations in the city. It would be a thankless job having to control this violence. | |
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| One Punch - How serious is it?
Posted: 7/4/2008 3:31:47 AM |
I've been the recipient of a king hit in my younger days. I was at a club and was reasonably drunk. Some guy took a dislike to me and walked over while I was talking to a mate and king hit me in the jaw from the right side.
Difference is you were young, immature and drunk, and so was he. These days you are less likely to go where a young, drunken hothead will want to kinghit you for no reason as why the hell would you want to be in that kind of a nightclub?
Don't get me wrong...I don't back down from anyone and there have been some very close calls over the years through my own stupidity. But the thing is I have managed to somehow avoid it as deep down I know that being able to punch someone harder has no baring on whether you're right or wrong.
By the way...I have not head that self-defense has been struck off as a reasonble reason for defending yourself and i don't believe that was the point of the OP's post. | |
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| One Punch - How serious is it?
Posted: 7/4/2008 3:44:45 AM |
Difference is you were young, immature and drunk, and so was he. These days you are less likely to go where a young, drunken hothead will want to kinghit you for no reason as why the hell would you want to be in that kind of a nightclub?
I disagree. I was in the city the other night and caught the train home. There was a guy there who took a dislike to another passenger and was right in his face and was close to hitting him. By the time I turned around another passenger was already on his way and got the aggressor in a hold and pulled him back. There are wankers everywhere.
Another time on a train on the way home from work(probably 8 years ago) a couple of late teens were swearing badly and smoking(trains were non smoking) and it was offending a couple of ladies sitting next to and near them. A passenger sitting next to them asked them to stop, to which they got abusive. I also stood up and told them to stop to which 6 of them stood up and tried to intimidate me.....Wankers...Like 'm going to let 6 "kids" intimidate me on a train...But unfortunately a lot of people allow them to get away with that stuff.
Don't get me wrong, I can't stand violence either. There's no need for it and life is way to short for it.
Having said that, I grew up in a pretty wild area so I was no stranger to it as a younger lad. I don't think it's a good thing though. | |
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| One Punch - How serious is it?
Posted: 7/4/2008 4:33:52 AM |
Violence is NEVER 'ok' Odd. Seems to me like my job implies that there may very well be a time and place for when it is needed. Just because some people get the time and place wrong does not mean there are not times when it is the best solution to a problem.
.... and punchy boys have little willies.....and no balls.
Hmmmm? ...or is it little balls and no willies?
Ever noticed how much violence revolves around women? They egg men on with crap like this, then get all upset when their boyfriend gets knocked out or arrested. Ask bouncers about women and violence some time.
Me, I never go out looking for trouble and I never get in trouble. Okay, I am a little intimidating, but I have utmost faith if I was a cock to people they would still have a crack at me. I am not, they do not, everyone is happy. Avoiding nasty women helps, I am sure. | |
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| One Punch - How serious is it?
Posted: 7/4/2008 5:03:22 AM | "Ever noticed how much violence revolves around women? They egg men on with crap like this, then get all upset when their boyfriend gets knocked out or arrested. Ask bouncers about women and violence some time"
Let me get this straight, some bloke is outside the pub and decks another bloke and stupidly mumbles in words of one syllabil..........'the girl made me doit'
And then he drags her off to the cave by the hair right??? Oh hang on, that was the Neanderthal era...........
Give it a break!!! Some dumb f*ck is outside a pub, decks a bloke either by some alcohol, drug or testosterone fuelled snap of the grey matter and a girl was behind it. She might well have been but perhaps 'Thag' should have thought to himself 'yes honey bunny I love you but I am not going to belt Wayne over there into a coma'. There is a choice.
What will bouncers outside pubs tell you about women...........they fight as well if not better than blokes and are like VW beetles, kind of curvy and groovey on the outside but nasty as hell on the inside!!! | |
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