funhog
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| Hydrogen for better fuel economy?????
Posted: 7/8/2008 7:27:08 PM | Has anyone heard of producing hydrogen under your hood and mixing it with your gas through your air intake for better fuel efficiency???
My brother has installed this mechanism under the hood of his suburban and has only run one tank of fuel sinse but claims a 20% increase in economy and no difference in power.....Does anyone know anything about this????
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| Hydrogen for better fuel economy?????
Posted: 7/8/2008 8:02:56 PM | Nope, never heard of it. Sounds interesting. It sounds like your brother did it only very recentlyÉ (question mark!)
I`d say you should be asking him and telling us all about it. Did he install it himself, and how did he hear of it (QM) | |
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| Hydrogen for better fuel economy?????
Posted: 7/8/2008 8:13:07 PM | Oh...something for nothing. I like this.
It takes energy to break down H20 (I'm assuming he's using water as the source).
More then likely he's also using electrolysis to do the breakdown process. (You can use radio waves but a little more complicated.) This uses electricity from your vehicle which is produced by running your engine. You see where I'm going here.
The energy you put into breaking down the H20 will be more then you get back. The other thing to ask your self is what he is doing with the oxygen? Ever break down H20 , let it mix and then light a match. Not the smooth burn you want for your vehicle.
Ok, back on the something for nothing. Let's go for beer T, you buy and we can talk about this. :)
Cheers , P | |
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| Hydrogen for better fuel economy?????
Posted: 7/8/2008 11:03:25 PM | | it's likely a water injection kit he's installed. it's something that's commonly used in high performance engine applications as the water introduced into the air fuel stream (in the right concentration) will increase compression, reduce combustion chamber temperatures, etc. etc. which allows for the engine to push the limits further while also allowing it to operate under optimal operating parameters ............ in extreme applications, other things such as methanol etc. are added into the mix. I've only ever used this sort of thing to push the limits, so I've never really researched how well it would work toward the fuel economy end of the spectrum. | |
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| Hydrogen for better fuel economy?????
Posted: 7/9/2008 12:02:23 PM | Water injection can make sense. Water expands so dramatically when it flashes to vapour that it can provide an enormous boost to the power stroke. The cooling is useful so long as it's balanced so it doesn't quench the burn.
But that's not what this is about. There's a big fad in the States for these kits that use the car's battery to electrolyse water to "brown's gas" then add this high-energy fuel to the intake to boost power. Somehow nobody ever does the math on how much energy has to come from the battery to power the energy added to the intake The net amount of hydrogen added is so minuscule that it wouldn't do anything. These "hydrogen kits" are worthless other than to demonstrate psychological issues. If you pay a huge amount for a change, you WILL see enormous differences in power and fuel economy, even if there are no differences there. So "water as fuel" or "Browns gas" kits are worthless, despite endorsments. | |
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| Hydrogen for better fuel economy?????
Posted: 7/9/2008 5:47:58 PM | Just remember how many "Miracle Diet Pills" are on the market!
If they worked? how would there possibly be such a market!
And thats all i gotta say about that!
Everyone wants better fuel economy, and alot of people are desperate to try anything, just like people will buy anything!
Don't believe me, remember the forum about bottled water...!
If you can prove this actually works, doesnt blow out your seals/gaskets, or start a fire under the hood, im all ear's, but when i hear something that sounds too good to be true! | |
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funhog
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Joined: 12/15/2007
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| Hydrogen for better fuel economy?????
Posted: 7/10/2008 12:18:05 AM | Hey philters.....your on for beers, but lets go to China as planned instead....I need one weeks notice....lol.
All I know about this system is that he has a cannister of water/baking soda under the hood with 2 electrodes in it which are powered from the battery. The hydrogen is being pumped into the fuel system directly through the air intake. I know he is producing hydrogen as he had it all set up and functional in his garage on a bench and he was burning something from the output end, which I presume to be hydrogen. I will post more on this as I get more info from him.....he's on his second tank of fuel now.
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| Hydrogen for better fuel economy?????
Posted: 7/10/2008 12:30:53 AM | Bad, bad time to go to China. 08/08/08 8:00 The Olympics start.
I'm off to Europe for the summer, will be in Italy for most of it. I wonder if there are any POF get -togethers there?
Back on topic. It definitely sounds like electrolysis to me.
Here is a link to an article I just googled.
http://theodoregray.com/PeriodicTable/Stories/001.1/index.html
In an ideal world (with no losses) you would get back exactly what you put into this chemical reaction. The world is not ideal. There will be losses. The biggest one I can see right now is your money if you invest in this device.
Hope all is well with you. | |
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funhog
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Joined: 12/15/2007
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| Hydrogen for better fuel economy?????
Posted: 7/13/2008 8:43:06 PM | Here is a link showing a little more info on how it works. Philters, your the mechanic/rocket scientist.....read up on it and tell me what you think????
http://water4gas.com/2books.htm?hop=H2o4Gas
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| Hydrogen for better fuel economy?????
Posted: 7/13/2008 10:12:33 PM | Check out EV's they plug into your power outlet at night and they can go about 100 km on a single charge that can be tripled depending on the batteries used. Cost is about $17k which is pretty good. You can convert any car or truck to an EV, but you want something that is light like a quarter ton GMC Canyon/S10 or a small car. You can buy a used unit, not many (if at all) places sell these units brand new. Maintenance on these units are very minimal unlike a gas engine.
The way gas prices are going, I can see a liter of gas going well beyond $2/L in the near future. Making cars like the Mazda 3 getting 45mpg very appealling and big trucks will be flooding the market. | |
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