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| Omar Khadr: The interrogation [Thread Closed]
Posted: 7/15/2008 7:20:42 AM | So they finally released a portion of his interrogation. This video shows him at 16 shortly after the fire fight being interrogated by a Canadian Agent. Also what this video doesn't show is that he was part of the 'frequent flyer program' before this. Code word for sleep deprivation, 3 hours of sleep in 21 days. You know in order to prepare him for the interrogation.
What emotions does this stir in you? Are you content knowing your country turned their back on one of their own? The only western prisoner still captive and Harper wants no part of this. How about if he was white and non Muslim, do you think he would receive the same treatment? I don't think so.
The news is also reporting that in the video he is saying "help me" over and over again. Although I do believe he is saying "kill me". It is hard to tell. I bet if he is saying "kill me" that would be to shocking to report.
Here is one link to the video. Although this has been leaked to all over the world and you can find it anywhere now.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080715.w2khadr15/BNStory/International/home
oh by the way. He is still not convicted. 6 years imprisoned and tortured. | |
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| Omar Khadr: The interrogation
Posted: 7/15/2008 7:52:50 AM | It's a terrible thing, IMO. A 15 or 16 yr old boy / young man, swept up and taken away to a secret prison in a foreign land for being a terrorist when he was not planning acts of terrorism in the West (at that time.....although who could be surprised if he did in the future after all of this??). What civilized Western nations will kidnap and detain minors for 6 yrs with no formal charges and probably with torture as well?? IMO, release & repatriate immediately. This was another interesting article about it:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080715/ap_on_re_ca/canada_guantanamo_detainee
Gitmo video offers glimpse of interrogations
By CHARMAINE NORONHA, Associated Press Writer
59 minutes ago
TORONTO - A 16-year-old captured in Afghanistan and held at Guantanamo Bay sobs during his questioning, holding up his wounded arms and begging for help in a video released Tuesday that provided the first glimpse of interrogations at the U.S. military prison.
"Help me," he cries repeatedly in despair.
The 10 minutes of video — selected by Omar Khadr's Canadian lawyers from more than seven hours of footage recorded by a camera hidden in a vent — shows Khadr weeping, his face buried in his hands, as he is questioned by Canadian intelligence agents over four days in 2003.
The video, created by U.S. government agents at the prison in Cuba and originally marked as secret, provides insight into the effects of prolonged interrogation and detention on the Guantanamo prisoner.
A Canadian Security Intelligence Services agent in the video grills Khadr about events leading up to his capture as an enemy combatant when he was 15. Khadr, a Canadian citizen, is accused of throwing a grenade that killed a U.S. soldier during a 2002 firefight in Afghanistan. He was arrested after he was found in the rubble of a bombed-out compound — badly wounded and near death.
At one point in the interrogation, Khadr pulls off his orange prisoner shirt and shows the wounds he sustained in the firefight. He complains he cannot move his arms and says he had not received proper medical attention, despite requests.
"They look like they're healing well to me," the agent says of the injuries.
"No, I'm not. You're not here (at Guantanamo)," says Khadr, the son of an alleged al-Qaida financier.
The agent later accuses Khadr of using his injuries and emotional state to avoid the interrogation.
"No, you don't care about me," Khadr says.
Khadr also tells his interrogator that he was tortured while at the U.S. military detention center at the Bagram air base in Afghanistan, where he was first detained after his arrest in 2002.
Later on in the tape, a distraught Khadr is seen rocking, his face in his hands.
On the final day, the agent tells Khadr that he was "very disappointed" in how Khadr had behaved, and tries to impress upon him that he should cooperate.
Khadr says he wants to go back to Canada.
"There's not anything I can do about that," the agent says.
A Pentagon spokesman, Navy Cmdr. J.D. Gordon, denied that Khadr was mistreated while in U.S. custody. "Our policy is to treat detainees humanely and Khadr has been treated humanely," Gordon said.
The video is believed to be the first footage shown of the Canadian Security Intelligence Service in action during its 24-year history, offering an unprecedented glimpse into its interrogation strategies. The video was made by U.S. authorities and turned over to Khadr's defense team, Gordon said. The tapes are U.S. property.
The Supreme Court of Canada in May ordered the Canadian government to hand over key evidence against Khadr to his legal team to allow a full defense of the charges against him, which include accusations by the U.S. that he spied for and provided material support to terrorists.
In June, a Canadian Federal Court judge ordered the Canadian government to release the video to the defense team after the court ruled the U.S. military's treatment of Khadr broke human rights laws, including the Geneva Conventions.
The video was released by Alberta-based lawyers Nathan Whitling and Dennis Edney a week after intelligence reports made public last week showed Khadr was abused in detention at the U.S. naval base-turned-prison on the tip of Cuba.
A Department of Foreign Affairs report said Canadian official Jim Gould visited Khadr in 2004 and was told by the American military that the detainee was moved every three hours to different cells. That technique, dubbed, "frequent flyer," was one of at least two sleep deprivation programs the U.S. military used against Guantanamo prisoners. Detainees were moved from cell to cell throughout the night to keep them awake and weaken their resistance to interrogation. The report also says Khadr was placed in isolation for up to three weeks and then interviewed again.
Whitling and Edney released the video with hopes that public reaction to the footage will prompt Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper to lobby for his repatriation. Thus far Harper has maintained he will not seek Khadr's return to Canada.
"We hope that the Canadian government will finally come to recognize that the so-called legal process that has been put in place to deal with Omar Khadr's situation is grossly unfair and abusive," Whitling said. "It's not appropriate to simply allow this process to run its course."
Khadr's sister, Zaynab Khadr, who lives in Toronto, said she was pessimistic his situation would improve soon.
She noted that another brother, Abdullah Khadr, now in prison on terror charges in Canada awaiting extradition to the United States, was interrogated by Canadian agents despite having been abused in detention in Pakistan.
"He was tortured for their benefit and he still continues to be in jail and it hasn't changed much, so I can't expect it to be any different in Guantanamo," Zaynab Khadr said. | |
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| Omar Khadr: The interrogation
Posted: 7/15/2008 8:23:27 AM | | Hmmmmm.........and everyone thinks that its only the USA who's doing, as a government, what it thinks is in the best interests of its national security? | |
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| Omar Khadr: The interrogation
Posted: 7/15/2008 8:36:32 AM | | Harper won't do anything for the child soldier because Harper is to enthralled with bush and neocon ideology. Now, if Khadar were a criminal caught in Mexico he would have already been flown back in a private jet courtesy of the Canadian government. | |
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| Omar Khadr: The interrogation
Posted: 7/15/2008 9:12:53 AM | ^^^^
I really wonder about this alot..........Bush? Is he that intelligent and savvy that he has been able to "brainwash", dupe, mislead, do some "magic" that has enthrawled and captivated all these independant leaders of other nations?
Is it really all GW? and his brilliance?
Or perhaps, just perhaps, these leaders have grave concerns for thier own nations, independant of the United States?
I think one of the really relevant things about this article is that its not only the United States that may be conducting interogations deemed my many to be "torture", but that it seems to be evidence that governments from other nations (1stworld nations non the less) are also involved in the exact same interogations and techniques. | |
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| Omar Khadr: The interrogation
Posted: 7/15/2008 9:28:05 AM | Well what you see is that the United States has created an 'open door'. If a democratic 1st world, G8 country can do this and claim it in the interest of National Security well this just paves a way for other countries to adopt the same principle. It shouldn't shock anyone that other countries will adopt this strategy and of course abuse their power and begin this method for their own political or personal strategies. Some what like the United States are doing.
I think its quite shameful for the United States and other countries to adopt such principles since they are the same ones that condemn other countries and powers and shake hands openly with countries such as Saudi Arabia who do this openly.
As for Khadr, he seems like he is being strung along for policy and political purposes. Or else they would have convicted him by now. | |
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| Omar Khadr: The interrogation
Posted: 7/15/2008 9:44:19 AM | ^^^^
Is it that the US created this so called "open door"?
Is it the US that just all of a sudden went out and started all this terrorism around the world?
Is it the US who has targeted civilians first?
Wasnt it Machiavelli who wrote that either one rules with love or one rules with fear?
Which should we use? Because love doesnt seem to be working. | |
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| Omar Khadr: The interrogation
Posted: 7/15/2008 9:53:14 AM | This is a 16 year old boy. He even speaks English. I cant imagine that it would take all that much to find out what he did and why and resolve it. A little good guy/bad guy routine would do it, a cop can tell you that. This isnt some hardened Islamic radical older man and been trained in anti-interrogation....this is a boy.
This is what happens when guilt is presumed. | |
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| Omar Khadr: The interrogation
Posted: 7/15/2008 10:19:12 AM | It bewilders me, how a young person can be so ready to go fight a war,..place their life on the Line,..for what ever cause it is that they believe in.
Seeing as he is a Canadian by birth, makes me more courious.
How was he exposed to the war effort ?
I can understand the Irish Rebellion, when an Irish Kid is brought up and Raised in an enviroment that their exposed to every day of their life,..it can, and will cause you to choose sides.
But in this case,..it raises questions that need to be answered.
After reading about "Omar Khadr" at ,...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Khadr
I see where, and how he was exposed to his conditions that would cause him to turn into what he might call a "Freedom Fighter" or as we would call him a "Terrorist",...
Any way you look at this situation,..it saddens me to see such a story, as his life reads.
And know that there are thousands, if not millions more, just like him. | |
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| Omar Khadr: The interrogation
Posted: 7/15/2008 11:06:21 AM |
It bewilders me, how a young person can be so ready to go fight a war,..place their life on the Line,..for what ever cause it is that they believe in.
Seeing as he is a Canadian by birth, makes me more courious.
A fair number of Canadian boys of 15/16/17 years old lied to enlist in WW1.
It's still in dispute whether he actually did any fighting.
I am offended at my country's actions, reactions, and inactions. | |
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| Omar Khadr: The interrogation
Posted: 7/15/2008 11:13:12 AM |
It's still in dispute whether he actually did any fighting.
True, but there is a lovely video of him planting landmines...
Go here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Khadr - and scroll down | |
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| Omar Khadr: The interrogation
Posted: 7/15/2008 11:51:41 AM |
Are you content knowing your country turned their back on one of their own?
By joining Al-Quaeda, the Khadrs turned their back on Canada. The many public statements of Mama Khadr declaring her contempt for Canada and Canadian values lead me to believe that the family doesn't identify with Canada or feel any regard for their fellow Canadians, though they are not above trying to exploit Canada for their selfish purposes. If the situation were reversed, say with a Canadian imprisoned by Al-Quaeda, they wouldn't lift a finger to get the person released.
How about if he was white and non Muslim, do you think he would receive the same treatment?
His skin colour and religion is irrelevant. He chose to join a terrorist organization, and he is experiencing the consequences of his decision. | |
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| Omar Khadr: The interrogation
Posted: 7/15/2008 12:07:29 PM | holdFast, he was a 14 year old BOY who was told that America was making WAR on Islam ...which is not all that far from the truth ........and defending his faith. He was being used by people then as he is being used by different people now.
This kid is just a pawn. | |
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| Omar Khadr: The interrogation
Posted: 7/15/2008 12:34:13 PM | | But he still made the wrong choice. I wish him well, and I think he has been gone to long. But at 14, I am sure he knew laying land mines was wrong. I do feel for him.The people he trusted has turned their back on him, and the people he wants to return to will not help him.Who put this child up to joining a terrorist group.?A 14 year old is usually more interested in cutting school, chasing girls and trying to sneak in after breaking their parents curfew, in the name of having teenage fun, not politics.I think someone deliberately brainwashed this kid, and took advantage of his youthful gullibility. I feel for this boys mother as well. I am biased, I have to much sympathy for children.I will not watch the video because of this. | |
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| Omar Khadr: The interrogation
Posted: 7/15/2008 1:09:30 PM |
But he still made the wrong choice
Did he even have one?
I think someone deliberately brainwashed this kid, and took advantage of his youthful gullibility.
Exactly. | |
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| Omar Khadr: The interrogation
Posted: 7/15/2008 1:20:16 PM | | I heard he killed a US special forces soldier by lobbing a grenade. If this is true, then my sympathy level for this boy just sank. | |
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| Omar Khadr: The interrogation
Posted: 7/15/2008 1:24:47 PM | Just a thought, but from the reports I have heard about this kid he was "wounded" by the grenade he threw at (and subsequently killed American soldier). If this is true then IMO he is just what they say he is...A TERRORIST!!!
It is sad that he ended up in Gitmo, but it was HIS actions that landed him there. | |
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| Omar Khadr: The interrogation
Posted: 7/15/2008 1:35:04 PM |
I heard he killed a US special forces soldier by lobbing a grenade.
Kuebler insisted that "Lt. Col. W." had initially written in his report the day after the firefight that "the person who threw a grenade that killed Sgt. 1st Class Christopher J. Speer also died in the firefight", implying that the grenade had indeed been thrown by the surviving Mujahideen, and not by Khadr.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Khadr | |
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| Omar Khadr: The interrogation
Posted: 7/15/2008 2:15:14 PM | There is a lot more to this and his case. I suggest those who do not know much about the case and its surroundings to find out and read about it. The lies, the corruption, the evidence that cant be brought to court, the testimony of several officers that can clear him. This is not law, this is not just. This is a dark hearted political decision to make him into some kind of example. The fact that he has been imprisoned for 6 years and not convicted and all the while being tortured is appalling to say the least. To stoop to the level of barbaric practices only condones the use of torture and exempts those who have used the same methods. International laws and human rights have been swept under the carpet and paves way for a more sinister future. If he did throw the grenade and kill that soldier then that still does not condone the use of torture. Especially on a 16 year old boy who was easily manipulated by his own father.
Perhaps we should bring to light the Haditha massacre where women and children were executed by U.S soldiers. They had admitted to these actions and stood behind their badges for cover and immunity from law.
If Khadr is to be tortured for tossing a grenade and killing a soldier then those soldiers responsible for the massacre should be burned at the stake and fed to dogs. But they didnt, they were cleared of all charges while Khadr remains the only western in Gitmo with no one to turn to. Sorry I do have sympathy. | |
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| Omar Khadr: The interrogation
Posted: 7/15/2008 4:46:46 PM |
There is a lot more to this and his case. I suggest those who do not know much about the case and its surroundings to find out and read about it.
Ah Yes,..there is a lot more,..if YOU care to read into the history, of the bombing, and "Cluster Bombs",..and "Food packages" of the same size, shape and color, that killed aand wounded many an Afgan Child,....it chills me to the bone,...and makes me question does the "End Justifies The Means" in all this,.....
I try to look at the subject matter,..through my "American" eyes,..and Values,....
And I try to look at it from others point of Views,....to try and understand whats going on, and what the others think and feel,........
Untill we put ourselves in their shoes,....we may never understand.
As I messaged another "Poster" about this subject, and asked him his views concerning this matter, cause I dont want to turn this into a chat thread, and be banned from posting, I asked him to try to understand why this is taking place ???
I just wanted to address your post, without violating any POF rules,..and get suspended (again) for "Chatting",...
Please dont mistake the "boy",...for the "Man" behind the gun,..because both are just as Deadly.
And both are hard core fanatics,..reguardless of age.
"Understand",..the "Cause",..that leads a young Child, into the depths of War & Conflict,...such as this.
Our country,....has NOT,...been Bombed for 10 years,....nor have we had 12x12x4 inch thick "Yellow Food Packages" dropped
onto our soil,....along with 12x12x4 "Yellow Explosive Bombs"
dropped along side,...so as to KILL,..who ever picks the packages up.(reguardless, they look identical)
The Food Packages,....that are not Bombs,...are never gave to the "People" to help feed the Starving Masses,.....instead they are gathered, and sold on the Black Market,..never reaching the poor starving people it was originaly intended for.
Considering the actions of the US in their covert attempts to Bomb other countries into submission,...its no wonder so many hate us.
Sad, but True.
again,....I'll say,..."Sad, But True." | |
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| Omar Khadr: The interrogation
Posted: 7/15/2008 5:47:05 PM | The kid didnt throw any grenades and he was shot 3 times by an American from a distance.
You people have to remember something ........the Taliban takes over and coerces these people, either through fear or food...... most Afgans dont want them, they are a very simple people.
At the same time, if I were an Afgan or an Iraqi and some foreign army had invaded my city, I wouldnt be all that pleased and probably find as many ways as I could to resist and get them out. | |
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NERO1
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Joined: 3/8/2008
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| Omar Khadr: The interrogation
Posted: 7/15/2008 6:19:45 PM | QUOTE: At the same time, if I were an Afgan or an Iraqi and some foreign army had invaded my city, I wouldnt be all that pleased and probably find as many ways as I could to resist and get them out.
^^ Good point. That's something that all too many Americans can't seem to truly grasp....which I find ironic in a way because of their own (well, SOME Americans') mindset about freedom, arming & fending for oneself, certainly resistance to anything resembling tyranny, and so on.... obviously one would think resistance to foreign occupiers would be right up there with all of those standard American values and yet somehow that gets lost in translation when the occupiers are American soldiers. I guess that's natural, but, still..... | |
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| Omar Khadr: The interrogation
Posted: 7/15/2008 6:22:48 PM | How did the Talaban get him? I mean, how did he get to Afghanistan at 15 years old if he is Canadian.
Afgan or an Iraqi and some foreign army had invaded my city, I wouldnt be all that pleased and probably find as many ways as I could to resist and get them out.
I am confused. Afghanistan was not his city. A city in Canada was. Am i missing something??
Khadr, the son of an alleged al-Qaida financier.
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She noted that another brother, Abdullah Khadr, now in prison on terror charges in Canada awaiting extradition to the United States, was interrogated by Canadian agents despite having been abused in detention in Pakistan.
OK, his father is an alleged Al Qaida financial supporter, he has a brother that was arrested in Pakistan on terrorist charges. Maybe he should still be locked up.
I think this video, and only stating he was 15 when he supposedly committed these crimes, instead of his actual age now is just propaganda. Maybe he didnt actually kill the soldiers, but Bush didn't actually kill Iraqis, but he sure has enough people thinking and saying he should be in prison for war crimes.Ya'll can fall for this crap if you want to, as I did at first. I'm done here. | |
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| Omar Khadr: The interrogation
Posted: 7/15/2008 6:49:37 PM | While yes its tragic this young man is in the situation he's in and most assuredly being used as a pawn. Very little info can be gained from someone who would have had no contact to those in command and to hold him accountable for crimes like murder is without merit. He was defending his home as any soldier would do and have done for ages.
Whether he did in fact throw a grenade or place land mines is a moot point. This does not make him a murderer in a normal sense, that's what warriors do. They try to kill one another and whether some want to take the stance that the Taliban resistance is not an actual military force but a terrorist organization is merely a philosophical question to those not in a foxhole. A warrior is a soldier and a soldier is a warrior, whether he's recognized or not by the other side as being such... When the guns are blazing back and forth there's little doubt someone on the otherside is prepared to resist your assault!
Had I been in his situation I too would have planted land mines and thrown grenades at the invaders...
Omar Khadr now has to deal with the consequences of being captured... It's unfortant that his captors want to lay charges, that if their roles were reversed would claim as unjustified causes... | |
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| Omar Khadr: The interrogation
Posted: 7/15/2008 7:10:12 PM |
how did he get to Afghanistan at 15 years old if he is Canadian.
His father.
Am i missing something??
His father + brainwashing.
OK, his father is an alleged Al Qaida financial supporter
WAS....he's dead now.
Maybe he should still be locked up.
Yes...guilt by association....perhaps if one of your siblings was arrested and convicted, perhaps you should go to jail to....just in case.
I think this video, and only stating he was 15 when he supposedly committed these crimes, instead of his actual age now is just propaganda.
Indeed...his age at the time of the "supposedly committed crimes" should be irrelevant...afterall...he's spent enough time in prison that he's an adult now...so we should treat him (and his alleged crimes) as if they occurred when he was an adult?
Bush didn't actually kill Iraqis,
No...but he ordered it. I fail to see any evidence whereby Mr. Khadr is alleged to have ordered any killings. | |
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