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 Wherefore Art Thou?

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Agreement! Out of Iraq in 16 months! Yes We Can!
Posted: 7/20/2008 12:16:12 AM
Seems that Iraqi Prime Minister al-Maliki agrees with Barack Obama's idea of U.S. troops out of Iraq in sixteen months.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/19/white-house-tips-press-off-to-maliki-interview/

July 19, 2008, 5:20 pm
White House Tips Press Off to Maliki Interview
By Steven Lee Myers
WACO, Tex. — The White House is quick to distribute its point of view in e-mail messages with headings like “News You Can Use,” “In Case You Missed It,” and “Setting the Record Straight.” So it was a surprise on Saturday morning when the White House distributed an article by Reuters that offered an endorsement of Senator Barack Obama’s Iraq policy by the leader of Iraq.
“Iraq PM backs Obama troop exit plan,” the headline read over a story about an interview of Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki in the German magazine Der Spiegel, in which he expressed support for the senator’s plan to withdraw American combat brigades from Iraq over the next 16 months.
“U.S. presidential candidate Barack Obama talks about 16 months,” Mr. Maliki told Der Spiegel, Reuters reported. “That, we think, would be the right time frame for a withdrawal, with the possibility of slight changes.”
Turns out it was a mistake by the White House clipping service, which had intended to distribute it internally but instead sent it to thousands signed up to receive the administration’s press releases, transcripts, statements and other documents, drawing attention to an interview that might otherwise have received less.
The timing compounded the mistake. It came a day after the White House announced that President Bush, in a significant shift, had agreed to a “general time horizon” for withdrawing American forces, though not on the strict timetable Mr. Obama favors. Mr. Maliki’s remarks suggested a position not entirely in line with President Bush’s, despite Friday’s announcement.
Scott M. Stanzel, a spokesman accompanying the president on his weekend at his Crawford ranch near here, said that the administration had been in touch with Mr. Maliki’s office and emphasized that Mr. Bush and the Iraqi leader had “the shared view that should the recent security gains continue, we will be able to meet our joint aspirational time horizons.”
In the interview with Der Spiegel, Mr. Maliki was careful not to endorse one candidate over another in the coming American presidential campaign, but he appeared to side with Mr. Obama over his Republican challenger, Senator John McCain, on the question of American forces remaining in Iraq.
“Those who operate on the premise of short time periods in Iraq today are being more realistic,” he said, according to the magazine. “Artificially prolonging the tenure of U.S. troops in Iraq would cause problems.”



And it seems from what McCain said in 2004 (as noted below) he would also agree with Maliki.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0708/More_on_Maliki.html#comments

July 19, 2008
Categories: John McCain
More on Maliki
Marc Ambinder has an interesting exchange between the campaigns on the Iraqi prime minister, in which a McCain aide accuses Prime Minister al-Maliki of playing "domestic politics" — which, being a politician, he surely is. It's his job.
But aren't domestic politics just another way of saying "what Iraqis want"? Seems like it's tough for McCain to publicly reject Maliki's stance here, or to attack him for pandering to Iraqi voters.
ALSO: The Democratic Party sends out a 2004 McCain interview in which he appears to acknowledge that:
QUESTION: Let me give you a hypothetical, senator. What would or should we do if, in the post-June 30th period, a so-called sovereign Iraqi government asks us to leave, even if we are unhappy about the security situation there? I understand it's a hypothetical, but it's at least possible.

McCAIN: Well, if that scenario evolves, then I think it's obvious that we would have to leave because— if it was an elected government of Iraq—and we've been asked to leave other places in the world. If it were an extremist government, then I think we would have other challenges, but I don't see how we could stay when our whole emphasis and policy has been based on turning the Iraqi government over to the Iraqi people.


Yes We Can!

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 Last not Least

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Agreement! Out of Iraq in 16 months! Yes We Can!
Posted: 7/20/2008 12:29:20 AM
How long after the pullout from iraq that the insurgents will sweep in and decimate the population?
Any government that the US installs will have a life expectancy of a bumble bee
 printer2

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Posted: 7/20/2008 2:25:12 AM


How long after the pullout from iraq that the insurgents will sweep in and decimate the population?

Sweep in from where, Afghanistan? The only real danger to the country was the different factions looking to carve up the country. They seemed to have had enough of killing each other by now.
 dmotz

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Posted: 7/20/2008 5:24:43 AM

The only real danger to the country was the different factions looking to carve up the country. They seemed to have had enough of killing each other by now.



These people have been fighting for centuries...I do not think they ever get tired of killing.
Out in 16 months sounds great and I would love it to happen. But in reality...if we leave...we will be back in less than a year.
 Thatguy67

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Posted: 7/20/2008 5:37:03 AM
Speaking of Afghanistan, there's still the matter of that other war....
 Last not Least

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Posted: 7/20/2008 7:31:07 AM
Sweep in from where, Afghanistan? The only real danger to the country was the different factions looking to carve up the country. They seemed to have had enough of killing each other by now.


Think that the carving up is going to be peaceful? They are not going to join hands and sing Kumbayah.
Ever heard of Cyprus?
 Draskinn

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Posted: 7/20/2008 10:45:43 AM

But in reality...if we leave...we will be back in less than a year.



Why us. Why always us.

And what ever gave us the right to stand between two parties and say “you two need to stop” anyway it’s not our job.

If they want to fight let them they will fight till one side wins or they get sic of fighting and make there own peace.

It makes me so mad; if we had spent a trillion dollars on energy here at home instead of fighting this useless war we would be energy independent by now and not have to worry about keeping every hell hole around the world with oil under it stable.
 2wheel

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Posted: 7/20/2008 11:55:26 AM

Why us. Why always us.


http://www.chaostan.com/why2.html
 JeffC13

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Posted: 7/20/2008 12:42:51 PM

Why us. Why always us.


because war/occupation means profit for private contractors and their corporations... these people don't care about the human costs... if they did, then their military lapdogs at the Pentagon would have sent in the 500,000 troops the generals asked for in the first place.
 printer2

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Agreement! Out of Iraq in 16 months! Yes We Can!
Posted: 7/20/2008 12:58:14 PM


But in reality...if we leave...we will be back in less than a year.


Why us. Why always us.

And what ever gave us the right to stand between two parties and say “you two need to stop” anyway it’s not our job.

As Powell said before the US invaded Iraq "you broke it you bought it". Well guess what the US broke it. You can not go in make a mess of things and then just walk away.
 69thfathom

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Posted: 7/20/2008 1:52:28 PM
Great news! It is now possible to talk of winding down the Iraq debacle without being called a cut-and-runner, and Obama is maintaining dominance in the news cycles, leaving George McCain in the dust (who the heck is George McCain? Exactly.) Obama's interview on "Face the Nation" today was great, he looked and sounded very 'Presidential.'

We should all be aware that US leaving Iraq doesn't necessarily mean that the troops will be coming home; there will be a 'strategic re-deployment' out of the area--and into Afghanistan.
 gtomustang

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Posted: 7/20/2008 4:35:28 PM
1) when we leave, what will we leave behind? Depleted uranium rounds in the soil? Military waste/pollution? How will we move our equipment, since 1 out of 6 Strykers sit idle due to lack of parts? Will we leave much of it for the new Iraqi army? What will it cost for us to replace 'em?

2) What road will we use to head for Saudi bases? Surely the insurgency will be planting IEDs?

3) The original fighting was, as guessed, to cement power. There's been enough killing of the best and brightest, and purging of neighborhoods, that most future fighting will be to kick out AQI...which may or may not already be moving thru Turkey to Afganistan.
 scorpiomover

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Posted: 7/20/2008 4:39:33 PM
I welcome this. I noticed that during the war, the American and British soldiers were welcomed. Only once they had gotten rid of Saddam Hussein, did the terrorist attacks start.

Think that the carving up is going to be peaceful? They are not going to join hands and sing Kumbayah.
Ever heard of Cyprus?
The conflict in Cyprus is and illusion. Turks and Greeks are some of the most accepting people I know, and are both very open to multi-culturalism.

All that happened was that during World War I, the Ottomans backed the Germans. As a result, the Allied powers disbanded the Ottoman Empire after World War I. That demoralised the Turkish people. In order to unify the people, the Turkish government decided on a Turkey for Turkish. So they drove out the non-Turks from Turkey. However, something like a million Greeks had been living in Turkey and about half a million Turks in Greece for hundreds of years. As the Greeks backed further and further out of Turkey, they burned the villages they owned and the villages they passed through. That drove the Turks very, very angry. In the end, the League of Nations endorsed the Greeks and the Turks to do a mass exchange, leaving Turks in Turkey and Greeks in Greece. However, these people had spent hundreds of years in these lands. So their families, cultures, history and businesses were completely uprooted, causing massive upheavals. All this left an incredible amount of resentment between the Turks and the Greeks. Think of how the British engineered the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and you see a very similar situation.

I strongly suspect that Cyprus has suffered the same way as Israel and the West Bank has, being driven to conflict by others.

1) when we leave, what will we leave behind? Depleted uranium rounds in the soil? Military waste/pollution? How will we move our equipment, since 1 out of 6 Strykers sit idle due to lack of parts? Will we leave much of it for the new Iraqi army? What will it cost for us to replace 'em?
I didn't know what Strykers were, so I looked them up. Apparently they are supplied with Halon fire bottles as fire extinguishers. I used to sell fire extinguishers, and one of the things that we learned was that Halon fire extinguishers were completely illegal to own in the UK, as they had been banned because they were very dangerous and harmful to humans. If you have a halon bottle in the UK, you have to get rid of it immediately. It's considered worse than having nothing at all.

So I have to ask: Why are American armoured vehicles fitted with fire extinguishers that are considered so harmful in the UK that they are completely banned?
 novascotialass

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Posted: 7/20/2008 4:51:54 PM
I watched Charlie Wilson's War the other day; a movie based on the true story of a Texas congressman's determination to help the Afganistans defeat the Russians when they had invaded their country.

It's the end of the movie that's interesting; after the US provided the Afganistans with the weaponary needed to defend their turf, they turned their backs on them for a matter of $1,000,000 in aid to help them rebuild, and of course the rest is history.

Post war recovery is much cheaper in dollars and lives than the war itself. It would be a horrible shame if all those young soldiers and civilian Iraqis would have lost their lives if no one stays to help them get their country in order after that. Having said that, how long would the Americans need to stay? It could be a very long recovery period.

Oh, and it isn't always the Americans helping out. We Canadians have been losing lives in Afganistan for the last few years among other countries as well.
 southernlass

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Posted: 7/20/2008 7:00:47 PM
69thfanthom said:

We should all be aware that US leaving Iraq doesn't necessarily mean that the troops will be coming home; there will be a 'strategic re-deployment' out of the area--and into Afghanistan.


Doesn't sound like "Yes, we can!" to me. Sounds like we're just exchanging one war for another.

Dmotz:

These people have been fighting for centuries...I do not think they ever get tired of killing. Out in 16 months sounds great and I would love it to happen. But in reality...if we leave...we will be back in less than a year.


Exactly. McCain's take on this is much more logical and sound.

 2wheel

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Posted: 7/20/2008 7:39:28 PM
What road will we use to head for Saudi bases?


You forget, the saudi's asked the US to leave quite awhile ago...

I guess the US will have to make do with those 4 new multi-billion dollar permanent bases in Iraq they have built.
 2wheel

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Posted: 7/20/2008 7:45:32 PM

These people have been fighting for centuries...I do not think they ever get tired of killing.


The US gov't has been invading, killing people, toppling elected gov'ts, supporting dictators for centuries now.... any idea when the US will get tired of it?

Some facts ... http://www.chaostan.com/why2.html
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