| Was melchisedeck a fictional or non fictional person
Posted: 7/21/2008 7:28:39 PM | | I was reading the bibile and came across melchisedeck! I was really blown away so to speak. I has the same attributes if not a little better then Jesus himself. Can anyone enlighten me on this subject. How does he come into play with in christianity or any other religion. Peace | |
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| Was melchisedeck a fictional or non fictional person
Posted: 7/21/2008 8:50:45 PM | Nonfictional in theory. Melchisadeck gave gives to the church, and there are a lot of people who still serve the order of Melchisadeck. Now of course, with all religious history, the existence of anyone or their role in life may or may not have been shifted to apply emphasis to what people believe is the spirit behind the texts.
Try not to get lost in the idea that Jesus is the only person who played a starring role in the development of modern history. Although a lot of people believe he was the son of, or incarnation of a God, he was still a man and lived a mortal lengthed life. Your religion has been around for a bit longer than that, and obviously other people played a role in its evolution. It is my fear that your question about this person is that you are stuck on the "Jesus is the password" mentality. Most of the Christian teachings I have read are focussed around living a happy, fulfilling life, and helping the people you care about try and do the same. Saying "I love Jesus" is a way to say thank you for his inspirational words and actions, but they are not a replacement for living a good life, nor will those words alone save you if you don't have the honor to back up what that statement means.
In my religion, we believe that those who served Melchisadeck carried certain strengths not found in most mortals. Not angels, but perhaps touched by angels? :) We believe that Melchisadeck gave gifts in ability, gold, and other benefits to the Christian church.
Also, if you are thrown back by my words and find offense, there was a thing on the history channel recently (last 3 or 4 months) about Melchisadeck. Also, in your searches, it can also be spelled Malchizza (Middle Eastern Take on the pronunciation), Malcisadec, Malchizadec, and so on. Since the Bible wasn't written in English, it's probably spelled several thousand ways by now as people try to translate it into our letters.
Hopefully this helped | |
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| Was melchisedeck a fictional or non fictional person
Posted: 7/21/2008 8:57:36 PM | Clarification....
Sorry didn't really realize I didn't fully answer your question tho I did ramble quite nicely.... sorry!
Best way to think of Him is as a pre-cursor to the pope. The priesthood that Melchizadek belonged to was, and you have to remember people were still very polytheistic, serving the "highest god." This was at a time when some people were beginning to think about a supreme god, and eventually the lesser gods faded into the form of "angels". Documents were then discovered and created that supported there being only one god, and the other gods faded away.
This is of course able to being interpreted as being contrary to the simplistic idea that there is only one God, always has been one god, and anyone who perceives anything else is wicked.... so be careful what you read and what you accept as fact vs interpretation.
These things happened a long time ago and people in all religions (yes ALL) are likely to try and twist things so they sound right. | |
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| Was melchisedeck a fictional or non fictional person
Posted: 7/21/2008 8:57:55 PM | | Whichever he was, he was a legend. His existance forms the basis for church and ministry existance. Without Jesuses pledge to the ministry of Melchisedek, modern Christianity probably wouldn't exist. I suppose other ways and means could put together a humble existance, but a Melchisedek preisthood designates a position of honor within a hierarchy. If nothing else, Melchisedek is a symbol to brick and Mortar Religion. | |
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| Was melchisedeck a fictional or non fictional person
Posted: 7/21/2008 10:14:49 PM | Melchizedek is JESUS and JESUS is Melchizedek. Just like FATHER GOD YAHVEH visited Abraham so did JESUS. JESUS is the High Priest of HIS Church before KING YAHVEH that is why no man can come before the FATHER except through JESUS.
Hebrews 7
1 For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the Most High God, who met Abraham as he was returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him,
2 to whom also Abraham apportioned a tenth part of all the spoils, was first of all, by the translation of his name, king of righteousness, and then also king of Salem, which is king of peace.
3 Without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God, he remains a priest perpetually.
4 Now observe how great this man was to whom Abraham, the patriarch, gave a tenth of the choicest spoils.
In all according to scripture ^^^ JESUS the HOLY CHRIST is Melchizedek the HIGH PRIEST OF GOD who visited Abraham. There is only one person who is the KING of PEACE and RIGHTEOUSNESS who has no beginning and no end the alpha and omega the ancient of days LORD GOD YAHVEH made flesh to save all men from theyre sins. JESUS (YAHSHUAH) THE HOLY CHRIST (MESSIAH)!
Hebrews 6
17 In the same way God, desiring even more to show to the heirs of the promise the unchangeableness of His purpose, interposed with an oath,
18 so that by two unchangeable things in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have taken refuge would have strong encouragement to take hold of the hope set before us.
19 This hope we have as an anchor of the soul, a hope both sure and steadfast and one which enters within the veil,
20 where Jesus has entered as a forerunner for us, having become a high priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek.
Hebrews 5
1 For every high priest taken from among men is appointed on behalf of men in things pertaining to God, in order to offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins;
2 he can deal gently with the ignorant and misguided, since he himself also is beset with weakness;
3 and because of it he is obligated to offer sacrifices for sins, as for the people, so also for himself.
4 And no one takes the honor to himself, but receives it when he is called by God, even as Aaron was.
5 So also Christ did not glorify Himself so as to become a high priest, but He who said to Him,
"YOU ARE MY SON,
TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU";
6 just as He says also in another passage,
"YOU ARE A PRIEST FOREVER
ACCORDING TO (R)THE ORDER OF MELCHIZEDEK."
7 In the days of His flesh, He offered up both prayers and supplications with loud crying and tears to the One able to save Him from death, and He was heard because of His piety.
8 Although He was a Son, He learned obedience from the things which He suffered.
9 And having been made perfect, He became to all those who obey Him the source of eternal salvation,
10 being designated by God as a high priest according to the order of Melchizedek.
Genesis 14:18
18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine; now he was a priest of God Most High.
Psalm 110:4
4 The LORD has sworn and will not change His mind,
"You are a priest forever
According to the order of Melchizedek."  | |
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| Was melchisedeck a fictional or non fictional person
Posted: 7/22/2008 12:35:27 AM | | Very mythological and no good reason to believe otherwise. The easy tying in of the Christ myth, in my opinion, shows how symbolic this character is. If there ever was a root story to this individual, he was certainly not a monotheist as modern Christians believe him to be as historically the concept of monotheistic religion had simply not emerged at the time they place Melchizadek in their histories. He was a henotheist at best...that's assuming there was such a person on which to base the story. This is, of course, not taking the Christian scripture in any way at its word which is to my mind not a viable thing...but your mileage may vary. | |
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| Was melchisedeck a fictional or non fictional person
Posted: 7/22/2008 7:38:59 AM | I think that Melchizedek was an actual person that Abram (this was before his name was changed to Abraham) actually met. He actually gave him a "tenth of the spoils" (a sign of deference to him) because he actually recognised him as "a priest of the Most High God" after Melchizedek blessed him. It's also possible that Abram knew (or knew of) Melchizedek prior to this meeting. The text isn't clear one way or the other. See Genesis 14 for more info.
The writer of Hebrews, in chapters 5-7, seems to be making a case to refute the fact that Jesus was from the tribe of Judah and not Levi, the priestly tribe. All the priest came from the tribe of Levi so how could Jesus (of Judah) be a "High Priest"? So the parallel is drawn with Melchizedek, acknowledged by rabbinical tradition to be a High Priest of God and not of the tribe of Levi. The logic seems to be:
Melchizedek was a High Priest. Melchizedek was not of Levi (Levi was not even born yet). Therefore one could be a High Priest and not be of Levi.
Jesus is the High Priest. Jesus is not of Levi. However, like Melchizedek, being of Levi was not necessary for Him.
It's possible that Melchizedek was actually a "theophany" (an appearance by God, presumably the Son, in human form), but I don't think the case being made in Hebrews requires that it be so. | |
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| Was melchisedeck a fictional or non fictional person
Posted: 7/25/2008 8:54:46 PM | I has the same attributes if not a little better then Jesus himself.
While not denying the truth of the above statement at all, I would venture to say that Jesus most likely would have the upper hand regarding the intricacies of grammar if his text were put alongside with yours. | |
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| Was melchisedeck a fictional or non fictional person
Posted: 7/28/2008 3:43:21 PM | | Well all i can say I had dreams as a child a man came to me in a ball of light i heard that name MElchizel, I woke up banging on the walls saying the light the light was ten years of age all I could see was light very bright. Ive never forgot it but think ive found a little answer tonight. Whatever it means , im in the right placve for sure. | |
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