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| | How Bad is it for Republicans?Page 1 of 68 (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41) | It's so bad that the State of Nevada canceled the Republican State Convention---
---for lack of interest. I'm not kidding. From the Wall Street Journal:
The state party broke up its original convention in April when supporters of Ron Paul hijacked the proceedings and tried to elect delegates for their candidate to the national GOP convention in September. Party officials tried to reconvene on July 26, but they needed a quorum of 675 and received only 300 RSVPs, according to local reports....The news provides further evidence of a fractured and unenthusiastic Republican Party in some parts of the country. Last week, the GOP nominee in a North Carolina congressional race suspended his campaign while he confronted fissures in his own party. Polling suggests a significant “enthusiasm gap” on the part of Republican voters this year, which has left the party’s candidate, Sen. John McCain, trailing Democratic rival Sen. Barack Obama in the presidential contest.
Well how 'bout them apples? A state of 2.5 million people, most of them Republicans, and they couldn't even get seven hundred of them to agree to show up. In a related article cited by the WSJ, Former Republican Congresswoman Barbara Vucanovich laments:
"I don't ever remember such chaos in the party. Frankly, its an embarrassment for our state and also makes it difficult for John McCain. He needs all the electoral votes he can get."
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/07/18/nevada-gop-cancels-convention-opts-for-conference-call/ | |
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| How Bad is it for Republicans?
Posted: 7/21/2008 8:10:28 PM | | I think the republicans are (or should be) pretty much resigned to taking a break this election cycle. It's just not going to happen. They've had control long enough and mucked everything up. | |
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Posted: 7/21/2008 8:22:02 PM | so does that mean there will be no republican candidate for president on the nevada ballot? and does it cede the electoral vote to Obama?
if its so, then I guess the next significant candidate would be Barr or Nader? (what the hell party is nader running for anyway?) | |
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Posted: 7/21/2008 8:27:40 PM | | What the GOP party decided to do in lieu of a convention was to just appoint delegates via a conference call. Within a day of that decision, the Nevada GOP was slapped with a lawsuit from members of its own party claiming that was illegal. | |
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| How Bad is it for Republicans?
Posted: 7/21/2008 8:31:05 PM |
Nader - Green party.
Nope. Nader couldn't get nominated by his own party this time around. He's going it alone. | |
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| How Bad is it for Republicans?
Posted: 7/21/2008 8:32:02 PM | 1st off the far right republicans trying to delete this thread is laughable There is nothing trolling or attention seeking about OPs post. I know the truth is sometimes hard to handle for the far right extremists, but facts are facts, deal with it.
Great post, but one thing the far right extremists are good at is distorting truth and playing on peoples fears to win elections. They will very much be in this election and I expect it to be very tight. Never underestimate them, the dirty thing I see happening is Bush starting a war with Iran before the election to scare more people into voting for the war hero John McCain. I wouldn't put it past them to use that tactic and it would give McCain a win no doubt. Remember me saying that too.
As an independent that has many conservative views as well as liberal views, the republican party has lost its way and turned its back on what it claims it stood for. It makes me sick how they treated the true conservative Ron Paul who I would have supported if he was nominated. I am sickened by how they have run this country in the ground the last 8 yrs and enough is enough. This country needs change and it sure isn't McCain. | |
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Posted: 7/21/2008 8:48:30 PM | Tell ya what Nash, I'd almost agree with you, if you didn't think that Obama was the Holy grail answer to all prayers!
I'd love to see a strong independent on the ballot. How about you and I write in Ron Paul? | |
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| How Bad is it for Republicans?
Posted: 7/21/2008 9:39:24 PM | Hey Barb nice to see you again. I don't think that Obama is the savior by any means, and I don't like some of his government programs he wants. I want the bleeding and blood shed to stop in this country that has happened over the last few yrs and to me John McCain is just a continuation of what I have seen. Since the republican party turned its back on Ron Paul and its conservative values, I'd rather not see another warmonger in office. I want to see more diplomacy used and peace in the world, not starting World War 3. McCain also admits he needs educated on the economy and that is scary in itself.
Obama is far from perfect and since my candidate Ron Paul got the shaft from the republican party, Obama is the lessor of two evils to me currently running. I want to see some change and McCain is offering very little in my opinion. Just more war and out of touch with the economy. | |
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| How Bad is it for Republicans?
Posted: 7/21/2008 10:37:38 PM |
Since the republican party turned its back on Ron Paul and its conservative values, I'd rather not see another warmonger in office.
I'm glad to see somebody understands the Republicans are no longer conservitive. With that said, isn't Obama far more liberal than most democrats?
Also can you write Ron pauls name on the ballet? Something tells me he wouldn't win...even if he won.
I honestly think Ron Paul would have united America. The other two will divide us further. | |
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| How Bad is it for Republicans?
Posted: 7/21/2008 10:58:53 PM | Most of the richest Republicans are investors. They have, in large part already converted to Euros in trading.
Many are looking at "Emerging Markets" for stock investments as a market crash is expected if Obama wins. The reason for this crash is because people would tend to do more profit taking before the year ends. This would be because investment dollars left in the markets after the first of the year would be be subject to such a large tax increase, that the increase would outweigh any further profits.
When "cap and trade" is enacted, shares in US Corps will de-value evn more and workers will lose jobs due to cut-backs . Foriegn investors know this too, and are taking that into consideration now.
There has been talk by the Democratic Party of "Nationalizing" US oil companies, as Hugo Chavez did in Venezuela. But commodities traders trade oil through London's ICE. If US citizens are forbidden to trade oil, -- as the Democrats hope -- then the price per barrell will be left to foreignors. Unlike Venezuela, we will not be as well able to control the price of gas, as no one will be able to or interested in drilling for oil inside the US.
With the "Law of the Seas" Russia will be doing our off shore drilling for us, and China will soon be leasing our off shore interests from Cuba
Many US citizens have bought properties outside the US for "retirement" homes, and are building them up now. There has been quite a run on US passports in the last year -- but not all of them from tourists. As about 200,000 of America's brightest and best leave the country and apply for dual citizenship every year, about 1,000,000 come to our country to get on our welfare programs. The Rich people who will be gone are often the target of hatred and envy, by the Democrats, but they are also consumers who spread cash and wealth around. They are also job providers, as a poor person never gave a job to anyone.
Thre rest of us --- middle class Republicans will continue to pay the taxes to support the tax consumers who do not pay just as we do now. The poor, who do not have children will also continue to pay taxes to support those who do. Even hard working teen agers are supporting some of your children.
However, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer -- that's been proven over and over as governments change throughout history.
So, the American Middle Class will continue to disappear, a deeper divide will be drawn -- between the educated, literate and resourceful == and the ones who just get by. Some move up, some move down. | |
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| How Bad is it for Republicans?
Posted: 7/22/2008 1:37:51 AM | Nothing in the previous post is accurate. I don't even know where to begin.
Oil isn't just going up because it can be traded. It certainly destabilizes it, just like being on the gold standard destabilizes money. However, we are dependant on a resource that we have absolutely no reason to be dependant on.
The first combustion engines were NOT desigend to run on Gasoline, they were designed to run on Alcohol.
The first diesel engins were not designed for petroleum products either, they were designed to run on Peanut Oil.
The Toyota Prius (next Gen) is supposed to get 85 MPG. Some scientists estimate that by 2015 we could see 250 MPG averages.
Our productivity and creativity in alternative fuels threatens the Big Oil companies and men who have always made their money from oil (Bush, Cheney, Hello Haliburton???)
Their time is coming, regardless of the cost of a barrel of oil! | |
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Posted: 7/22/2008 3:52:02 AM | I already told you guys in another thread that McCain's going to have to hold his convention speech in a Denney's.....sigh...nobody listens to me.
I'll have the Moons Over My-Hammy and an orange juice please :) | |
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Posted: 7/22/2008 4:24:24 AM | Ok exodusi1 you are one of the few liberals I can relate too. However I'll tell you were I disagree.
The Big oil companies are canabalizing themselves at the moment. You find that in the next few decades they will do their best to corner the renewable energies markets. BP formerly British Petroleum changed its name to Beyond Petroleum. It now makes Solar cells, because it took over a solar manufacturing company. It gave itself the green sunflower logo. Although It's primary business is still oil, its making the move to "energy company".
With the real estate crash, and record oil profits...don't be suprised if they start buying land to grow renewables very soon, because the the market is in their favor.
The Toyota Prius (next Gen) is supposed to get 85 MPG. Some scientists estimate that by 2015 we could see 250 MPG averages
Why wait? you can do it now, if your willing to build the car yourself.
http://www.rqriley.com/xr3.htm
Quoted from website.
The XR3 Hybrid is a super-fuel-efficient two-passenger plug-in hybrid that achieves 125 mpg on diesel power alone, 225 mpg on combined diesel and electric power, and performance like a conventional automobile.
also from site
Today’s hybrids are called “mild hybrids” or “charge-maintaining hybrids”. They use the electric system to help with acceleration. You can drive on battery power alone, but only for a short distance – around the block, for example. The battery pack is typically used to provide bursts of power for brief periods of acceleration. The combustion engine then recharges the battery between periods of acceleration. But fuel economy suffers while the battery is being recharged. That’s why today’s hybrids do not provide much advantage in fuel economy over a well-designed conventional car
Check it out...  | |
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| How Bad is it for Republicans?
Posted: 7/22/2008 4:50:15 AM | I know some die hard republicans that are now vehemently opposed to their former party's positions and are now working on the Obama campaign.
Republicans have won lots of campaigns with slogan-ism geared to serve people trained to serve the status quo. Every good republican had his/her blackberry tuned into the latest republican talking points.
But this is not working well this time. Obama is appealing to people that think for themselves and have a desire to make things better and republicans have a desire to make business bigger at the cost of the labor force.
Promoting the republicans is costly and Obama has legions of motivated volunteers AND he's got money.
And talk about desperate? A few lines of truth in here can be retaliated with pages and pages of republican citations, quotes and slogans that just make no sense. | |
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Posted: 7/22/2008 5:10:55 AM | No, we are on the same page there. . . I couldn't agree more. I think it is imperative that we keep them out of the Alt~Eng programs. We don't need them making that more expensive than it already is any more than they already do. | |
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| How Bad is it for Republicans?
Posted: 7/22/2008 5:50:13 AM |
As an independent that has many conservative views as well as liberal views, the republican party has lost its way and turned its back on what it claims it stood for. It makes me sick how they treated the true conservative Ron Paul who I would have supported if he was nominated. I am sickened by how they have run this country in the ground the last 8 yrs and enough is enough. This country needs change and it sure isn't McCain.
I strongly agree with this post.
I vote democrat most of the time, but I refuse to vote the party line because many times I just can't support them on the issue.
What you're saying about the repubs is very true, though. When Bush got into office, they foresook all traditional republican values... However, this idealistic base went through a period of severe erosion as soon as Reagan got into office.
Fiscal reponsibility?
He and Bush I quadrupled the natonal debt during their twelve years in office and never balanced a single budget...
Support small businesses?
gave corporate welfare to Savings and Loans, went into debt to give tax cuts...
National security?
Gave biochemical weapons to Saddam Hussein to attack Iran with and satellitel technology to the Chinese in 1984, which they used to develop ICBMs capable of hitting the US.
Then we wind up with a totally incompetent, whacko administration like Dubyah....
Do we really wonder how this came to be?
I don't.
It was part of a long pattern of events.
When a government becomes as corrupt as ours is, it ceases to be a check or balance to private wealth. It can be bought and sold with campaign contributions.
I don't believe we'll have good government until we have more than two political parties. The ones we have now are able to get away with too much. One hand washes the other. | |
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Posted: 7/22/2008 6:32:38 AM |
I don't even know where to begin.
Of course you don't! You didn't even have any idea this was going on.
Oil isn't just going up because it can be traded.
At last!!! A democrat that admits that oil price increases aren't all the "evil" rich investers fault!!!
Hoo-ray!!!
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Posted: 7/22/2008 6:33:34 AM |
It was part of a long pattern of events.
When a government becomes as corrupt as ours is, it ceases to be a check or balance to private wealth. It can be bought and sold with campaign contributions.
I don't believe we'll have good government until we have more than two political parties. The ones we have now are able to get away with too much. One hand washes the other.
Perhaps not the only cornerstone of political events, but when the GOP began endorsements of religious affiliation (Bush stating "he was the religious right"), and when religious figureheads began campaigning politically from the pulpits, that certainly sent many Americans into a politically divisive posture. (Reagan and Bush 41 didn't jump in bed with religious zealots like Bush 43 did, even though they may have had the makings of the same enmeshing). SO, while that wave of unions has ridden it's course, it appears wholely lacking in principal . Democrats far and wide began wondering if it was actually safe to consider having a religious preference, without being seen as morally bankrupt if they didnt' tow the proper political lines. Suddenly, it wasn't safe to openly acknowledge ones political affiliation without fear of moral/ethical reproach. | |
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Posted: 7/22/2008 7:16:11 AM | I'm one of MANY Republicans who would be GLAD to reach across party lines for a greener, less oil dependant ecconomy, and environment. But there's a lot more to it than that......
And that's what so many Obama supporters just don't get. | |
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Posted: 7/22/2008 7:36:48 AM | Frankster -- what are you looking at?
Plug ins are one option -- except for the fact that they can only make it about 220 miles from the house. with the airlines behaving the way they are, I'm liking to take road trips more and more
If someone could make lift-out auto batteries that plug directly into the wall sockets, and could be carried in the car trunks in multiples I would be more interested for sure.
I am not so much concerned about the price of gas -- as the future availability of gas at all.
I do believe that the abrupt rise in price ($2.09 per gal to $4.00 per gal since Demos took over Congress) is due at least in part to oil companies plans to build refineries outside US instead of waiting around for high taxation here. At that point gas would be an import -- on the terms of our enemies. As you know gas is going for as much as $8 a gallon outside the US, so why wouldn't they go for the gold appreciation they get elsewhere -- as opposed to what they are getting here.
I would love to see hydrogen and water burners come into place. But even better -- what about clean burning fuel made from trash (no more land fills).
What are your thoughts on this? | |
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| How Bad is it for Republicans?
Posted: 7/22/2008 7:54:25 AM |
I do believe that the abrupt rise in price ($2.09 per gal to $4.00 per gal since Demos took over Congress) is
Republican Lie #1,000,000?
Gas went over $2.00 per gallon in 2000, when Bush just started RUNNING for president. Before the primaries in 2000 it was $1.29 per gallon where I lived.. in the bay area.. and even that was considered high.
What a republican crock.. (again). | |
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Posted: 7/22/2008 8:58:22 AM | Facts, we don't need no stinking facts. . .
when as rose to nearly $3/gal during the invasion of Iraq, gas companies figured out we would pay more for our gas, no matter what. So guess what, we're going to.
No, it isn't just investors, though energy is one of the handful of things that should never be left to private hands. . . It should always be a not for profit corporate endeavor. The absence of profit eliminates more than half of the cost to the consumer. | |
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