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Posted: 7/22/2008 9:18:26 PM | ok it you read my profile you'll see that i am not a raciest. I hate racism towads all people. but in this thing i will post... everything being said is true. and thats messed up. What do people of color think of this? What does the general population think?
FOOD FOR THOUGHT
Partner, do yourself a favor and read to the end.
Proud To Be White American
Someone finally said it.
How many are actually paying attention to this?
There are African Americans,
Mexican Americans,
Asian Americans,
Arab Americans,
Native Americans, etc.
.....And then there are just -
Americans.
Some pass me on the street
and sneer in my direction.
They Call me 'White boy,'
'Cracker,' 'Honkey,'
'Whitey,' 'Caveman,'
.....And that's OK.
You say that whites commit a lot
of violence against you,
so why are the ghettos the most
dangerous places to live?
They have the United Negro College Fund.
They have Hispanic History Month.
They have Martin Luther King Day.
They have Asian History Month.
They have Black History Month.
They have Cesar Chavez Day.
They have Ma'uled Al-Nabi.
They have Yom Hashoah.
They have Kawanza.
They have the NAACP.
If we had WET (White Entertainment Television)
.....We'd be racists.
If we had a White Pride Day
.....You would call us racists.
If we had the White History Month
.....We'd be racist.
If we had any organization for only whites to 'advance' OUR lives,
.....We'd be racists.
We have a Hispanic Chamber of Commerce,
a Black Chamber of Commerce,
and then we just have the plain
Chamber of Commerce.
Wonder who pays for that?
If we had a college fund that only gave white students scholarships
.....You know we'd be racists.
There are over 60 openly-proclaimed Black-only Colleges in the US ,
yet if there were 'White-only Colleges'
.....THAT would be a racist college.
In the Million-Man March, you believed that you were
marching for your race and rights.
If we marched for our race and rights,
.....You would call us racists.
You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and red,
and you're not afraid to announce it.
But when we announce our white pride
.....You call us racists.
You rob us,
carjack us,
and shoot at us.
But, when a white police officer
shoots a black gang member
or beats up a black drug-dealer
who is running from the LAW and
posing a threat to ALL of society
.....You call him a racist.
I am proud.
.....But, you call me a racist.
Why is it that only whites can be racists?
There is nothing improper about this e-mail. It's just an observation, by a White American. | |
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Posted: 7/22/2008 9:37:38 PM | From the current perspective where things are more or less equal based on race these things may seem extravagant and unneccessary... however.
The guy at the gas pump who is from another country and maybe doesnt speak english so well.... you look down on him. He makes less money than you, he's going to have a hard time paying for his kids to go to college... and so on. Based on the fact that he doesnt communicate with us as well as you do.
Imagine if you assumed everyone who looked like him was stupid, based on the fact that he hadn't learned our language yet. Oh wait... a lot of us do. Not a far step to condemn anyone else who looks different, or talks differently, and assume they are inferior. This goes for race and sex.
So yeah, I don't think we're ready to disband those groups yet. We still need the reminder that we've had treehouses with "no girls allowed" signs hanging by the door.
Not saything these groups don't go too far... Racism from any race to another is wrong in my opinion... but their existence is very necessary to remind us of WHY they were created. | |
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Posted: 7/22/2008 9:59:30 PM | When your right , your right.
Its a very strange paradigm that has developed. The white man has become the universal scapegoat for the problems and failures of non-whites.
Its interesting that the non white groups, such as the Chinese and Indians, that
actually admire and use the technical, scienftific and economic achievements
of white europeans, are thriving.
The fact is racism or to be more accurate, tribalism, is a HUMAN characteristic,
that is as far as I can see, is exhibited by every race and ethnic group, now and in the past. It is a genetically hardwired emotional response, and undoubtably, as with all aspects of human nature, is rooted in our evolutionary biology. Humans tend to be
hostile and distrustful towards anyone who isn a member of their own tribe, or at best
their dialectic tribe. It is only the relatively recent apperance of tolerant social
ideas spawned and refined in the Western Judeo-Christian experience that have
made any progress in combating tribalism.
Long before Europeans came to the New World, or Africa, or Asia, aboriginal people were commiting all the horrors human beings can perpetrate against one another.
Almost constant warfare, rape, murder, torture, human sacrifice , slavery and even genocide. A black or brown man or woman in America is many orders of magnitude more likely to be murdered or brutalized by another black or brown person.
A lone Iriquois indian who ran into a hunting party from another tribe
was most likely going to die a slow, horrifying death.
Slavery, genocide, and ethnic cleansing are alive and well in the world today, and mostly being perpetrated by brown and black people against black and brown people.
Those are the facts. | |
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Posted: 7/23/2008 12:05:51 AM | | A good friend of mine is white and proud. He loves me as a brother and i`m mixed blood. I tell him it`s okay to be white, i know the whites accomplished many of the things that we all take for granted. | |
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Posted: 7/23/2008 1:21:15 AM | for the sake of argument, perhaps you've forgotten that not all that long ago, schools (including scholarships), universities, markets, churches, buses, restaurants, public restrooms, and even drinking fountains were designated as "white only", who knows how many other establishments and services that I've failed to mention. remember the Buffalo Soldiers?
segregation, is it really a practice of the past? not really.
just food for thought.......and my observation as a chubby chica (2 strikes for me  )
peace  | |
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Posted: 7/23/2008 3:45:08 AM | I've often wondered those very same things. I think it is mainly due to ignorance that this happens. And, dare I say, we whities MADE the situation. I think that white America was so hell bent and determined to fix a past wrong that they started handing out holidays, setting up single race foundations, etc just so that things would be 'fair'. So, now we have to live with all that stuff.
My high school was 85% Black, 10% Hispanic, 4% white, and 1% Other. I was in the minority in my school. I remember the first time I tried out for Color Guard (the flag twirlers with the marching band)....I was put on the team as an alternate. There were at least 3 other girls that tried out and made the team that I was much better than. I mean, they were forever dropping their flags, couldn't do ariels, had pretty bad marching abilities and were about 50-75 pounds heavier than me (and that's a lot of extra junk in the trunk when you are marching around in spandex). But I was white, and they weren't. And even though the line up was obsessed with looks and how you appeared in uniform....what really mattered was what color your skin was. Sad. Eventually someone quit the line up and I moved up from my alternate spot. My junior and senior year I was captain and I did a lot of 'recruit' some more white chicks (up until then I was the only white one). Most of the white girls were SCARED to try out for the team b/c the other members made it very clear that white wasn't welcome.
I know that for the past 6 years there has not been another white girl on their Color Guard or Winter Guard teams. And same went for other things....no whites on the FB or BB or Baseball teams, no whites in the student government, etc. Not a damn one.
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Posted: 7/23/2008 3:47:58 AM | You can't say that you are not racist and at the same time see it as "Us" and "Them". There is only us. Everyone is inherently the same, regardless of the color of their skin. Everyone wants their day in the sun and wants something that makes them proud of their heritage. The problem is that when a member of the Black, Asian, Latino, etc. community gets their turn in the sun, the white man gets offended and feels as if they are trying to "steel the spotlight".
I think white people just need to get over it. We have been the reigning force over this country for hundreds of years. We have killed, maimed, and oppressed every other ethnic group that opposed us. So why are we still so insecure that we can't let others enjoy the fruits of their labors as much as we have?
I don't see how anyone can start a topic like this and bring up some of the points that were made here without being racist.
Think about this OP. If one of those 60 Black only colleges were to decide to open their doors to white people, how many would actually attend? My guess is not many at all. So what's the point of people complaining about not having something when they don't really want it anyway. Seems like a bunch of wasted aggression to me.
1. You want a White TV channel? CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC, SPIKE, USA...and the list goes on.
2. You want a white only college? In that case you will have to give up the White only golf courses.
3. You want to get rid of MLK day? Then you will have to give up Presidents day, St. Valentines day, or one of the other days dedicated to people who happened to be white.
4. You want them to not have Kwanzaa? In that case we will also have to take away your Christmas.
"They" don't have anything that you do not already have. | |
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Posted: 7/23/2008 5:24:17 AM |
So why are we still so insecure that we can't let others enjoy the fruits of their labors as much as we have?
You may feel that way, but I dont. In no way am I trying to defend past whites,but I am not to blame for what they did. As an an example of how modern whits are treated,we are ridiculed for our ancestors coming here illegally,using up recourses,the natives Americans have never been referred to as racist for their opposition on those illegals. .When all our ancestors did was come here looking for a better life.Now that a darker skinned race (Latino)are coming here illegally,using our recourses, looking for a better life,we are called racist for opposing.I think illegal Europeans of long ago were just as wrong as illegal Latinos are today. | |
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Posted: 7/23/2008 5:36:55 AM |
You may feel that way, but I dont. In no way am I trying to defend past whites,but I am not to blame for what they did. As an an example of how modern whits are treated,we are ridiculed for our ancestors coming here illegally,using up recourses,the natives Americans have never been referred to as racist for their opposition on those illegals. .When all our ancestors did was come here looking for a better life.Now that a darker skinned race (Latino)are coming here illegally,using our recourses, looking for a better life,we are called racist for opposing.I think illegal Europeans of long ago were just as wrong as illegal Latinos are today.
Sorry, but I had to laugh when I read the part where you say that they were only looking for a better life here. That may be true. But while they were looking for this better life, the managed to wipe out 94% of the Aboriginal population. (you can read this article. I found an online version of it. It's quite interesting http://muse.jhu.edu/demo/american_indian_quarterly/v024/24.3friedberg.html).
So, maybe the "illegal Latinos" can come in and decimate the population and then there wouldn't be such a strain on the resources. OR, if people didn't over consume so much, there might be plenty to go around.
Two wrongs don't make a right - just because there have been past wrongs we shouldn't ignore other forms of racism. But in the meantime, let's not paint a prettier picture than what things really were. | |
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Posted: 7/23/2008 7:48:22 AM |
while they were looking for this better life, the managed to wipe out 94%
Yes, the American Indians lost the war.Its sad. I didn't mean to pretty up the picture.But we are not at war with illegal Latinos. I hope it never comes to that, but you cant pretty up the picture on illegal immigrants.Look how many crimes they have committed.Yet, there are sanctuary cities for them. Europeans immigrants are considered the bullies for being here illegally, killing etc...yet the Latinos are not considered bullies, for being here illegally, killing etc...they are considered victims of racism.
That link you gave said page was not found or something like that, but I dont deny the killings the Europeans did to the native Americans. | |
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Posted: 7/23/2008 9:40:26 AM | I am a white male under 30.
For the most part I thing that the topic of racism in this country is largely propagated by non-white races. The truth about racism is that it is fueled by ignorance and misinformation. I was born and raised in the south. In my generation it is very rare to find an individual of any race who is an outright racist. For the most part, when I do see cries of racism it is from individuals who are lacking in either education or knowledge of the situation.
If you want a white student union, or a white history month you are part of the problem. There should not be a black student union or a black history month. In fact any group that is founded or operates on the basis of promoting the agenda of any particular race should be banned.
The only racism I see here is an older generation that cannot let go. | |
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Posted: 7/23/2008 12:03:09 PM | Thank you so much for pointing that out. When I read the original point the first thing that came to mind was that we DID already have all white schools, and white youth were the majority receiving scholarships.
I believe that truthfully, many white people have been enforcing their superiority over every other race, that why shouldn't the other races make up for it slightly? Why should it matter to the whites that there are so many institutions that they are not allowed to be a part of? It's like with feminism. Men are saying that women should be happy now that they have "equal rights" but we are still making less to their dollar. But women should never have been considered lower to begin with!
I think that the issue here is that all other races are just trying to raise to the level of the caucasian people. There is no need to try and rid them of what they need to feel equal after all the abuse they received.
Sometimes I wish some (note: not all) white people weren't so arrogant to think that every single "black/asian/indian/etc" only institution was a big "Eff you" to the white people. They are just trying to live their lives. Deal with it. | |
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Posted: 7/23/2008 12:23:07 PM | WET ???
You're confusing the issue here. White for most intents and purposes is NOT an ethnicity.
Caucasians can include the below and more:
Italian
Spanish
Eurasian
Austrailian
Russian
Irish
and much more. Whites in American didn't have their culture and language wiped out but most blacks who are progeny of slaves have no clue from where we hail. I'm I Angolan or Nigerian? Could I be from Zimbabwe? Therefore we all must be grouped under the "Black" heading.
Do not fools yourself. Racism is today is WORSE than it was a century ago because now it's buried underneath a layer of Political Correctness. It's subvert and not overt today but it exist. When your Government puts a racial categorization on your birth certificate they are locking in a race. What other purpose does racial categorization serve but to divide? We are all under the same genetic taxonomy Genus Homo Sapien Sapiens.
Race is yet another divisor that prevents the majority of us from moving forward and this is by design. If I'm the ruling class I don't want you looking to take my spot or even join my ranks thus I must create a 3 class system
The Elite- today's Aristocracy
The Middle Class
The Lower Class-
When the Elite convince the Middle Class to be wary of the Lower Class they take all focus and pressure off themselves.
So think about this. The OP has spent time and energy wondering why he doesn't have access to the same entertainment or whatever tailored for his race when in fact he "could" be saying "Why do the Bushs or Kennedy's have so much more money and live a more grand lifestyle than I do?"
Well...it's because the Elite pawn the two puppets off against each other.
Say you have a predominantly white Middle Class and a predominantly brown/black lower class. The Middle Class will placate themselves by saying "Well I'm not rich but thank God I'm not scum like those xxxxx Lower Class". And thus they have accepted their position.
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Posted: 7/23/2008 4:20:25 PM | I always find these threads funny. Apparently it has become fashionable for white men to have inferiority complexs and act like they are victims of the evil brown people.
It is interesting how minorities were taught to not celebrate their heritage and it had all kinds of social and economic stigmas attached to it, how history in this country has always been taught from a European perspective, how discrimination was a protected, legal enterprise for almost the entire history of the country. But let things start to change and minorities start to take pride in their heritage, and it seems all kinds of white people are theatened by it.
And as far as black colleges... you should apply for a scholarship to one. There are no 'black colleges,' just historically black college. Enrollment is open to everyone, which was not the case when they were founded. If minorites were allowed in 'white colleges' in the past there would have never have been the need for HBCUs.
All the rest... BET, Black Miss America, Black Pride Parades, Black whatever were all brought about after they were excluded from white events. Apparently nothing scares white men more than minorities with a sense of self worth.
I find it funny they complain about these organizations, but yet want people to NOT complain if they started their own white groups. How whimpy can people get? A black or brown person with a sense of self worth just ruins the day of some people. | |
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Posted: 7/23/2008 5:28:28 PM | does the OP recognise this
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One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all
or this
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We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity,
nothing about colour or ethnic origin there.
starting the post with "proud to be a white american" makes you sound like the other racists who do say that and are racist. You should be proud to be american. fullstop. If you feel the need to state white that suggests you wish to seperate yourself from other colours.
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Posted: 7/23/2008 5:34:39 PM | I couldn't agree more OP.
Thank you for showing that the freedom of speech is yet not entirely killed. | |
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Posted: 7/23/2008 6:20:11 PM | Personally I don't take pride in things I had no choice over so thus
I'm NOT proud to be African American or Black or whatever title you want to assign. I'm proud
of the individual positive attributes I've worked on to form my character
I don't care if someone calls me a racist. I accept people for who they are yet if I need to call
BS on something and get deemed a racist sobeit.
I couldn't care less about "insert ethnicity here _ Day" . It's fine to celebrate whatever culture
you want. It's no skin off of my teeth. Show me or tell me something interesting I'm not going to
complain either way.
White, brown, black, yellow, red....who cares? In the end it's about how you live your life and the people
that you touch. There will ALWAYS be someone hating on you.
the minute you go to "us" vs "them" you've lost.
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Posted: 7/27/2008 8:30:02 AM |
starting the post with "proud to be a white american" makes you sound like the other racists
But white people constantly have white guilt thrown in our face.Today in the United States and most of the White world, as soon as a White child is old enough to understand language, he is told that he should feel guilt for the crimes of his ancestors. Guilt for finding, conquering, enslaving, and killing off non-Whites around the globe ... and littering in the process. Guilt, not for his own crimes, but for the crimes of other people of the same race.
But he is also told that he should feel no pride in the amazing achievements of his race. No pride in the pyramids and the Parthenon, no pride in the arch and the dome, no pride in White science and technology and medicine, no pride in the glories of European painting and sculpture and music, no pride in Plato and Shakespeare and Dostoevsky, no pride in the exploration of the globe and the conquest of space. Pride, not in his own achievements, but in the achievements of other people of the same race. But if it is reasonable to feel White guilt, then it is reasonable to feel White pride. | |
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Posted: 7/27/2008 10:20:13 AM |
No pride in the pyramids and the Parthenon,
The Parthenonon is a fantastic piece of architectural art but I don't have a clue how you've
attributed Pyramids to Europe. In Greece one of the more ancient Pyramids is the Hellinikon but
it's very difficult to date and the paucity of Pyramids leads me to believe they certainly weren't popular
as compared to Egypt and the Sudan. There are far more Pyramid structures here in NA with the
Mayan ruins.
White Guilt is really just a way to embrace victimhood. No one can make you feel guilty..you have to
accept the feeling.
It's ok to relish the accomplishements of peope that look like you but sadly even educated adults devolve
into puerile antics "I'm better than you" and that is the downside.
Greece and Rome have fantastic history but so does China and Japan and Africa and Incan and Mayan history.
Every culture had an amazing grasp of Astronomy and Mathematics. Yet because here in the US we are a Western
nation we only hightlight the glorious history of Rome and Greece for the most part.
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Posted: 7/27/2008 2:00:29 PM |
the minute you go to "us" vs "them" you've lost.
You just said a mouthful here. This is what it's all about. Far too often people don't take the time to say "A lot of purple people do that. I'm also a purple person, but I have made an individual choice not to do that. Why? Because I don't want to."
Some purple person 500 years ago developed a machine that turns nuclear waste into chocolate chip cookies. Since I am a purple person, I am therefore capable of doing such things as are all purple people. Also, people that are not purple couldn't have done the same thing. Why? Because if they could have they would've. WRONG LOGIC!
This idea that WE are so different from THEM is what's really hindering human social progress. | |
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Posted: 7/27/2008 3:36:28 PM | | I understand what you are say.I do not take credit for B. Franklin and electricity or anything else someone white did that was positive. But I dont see why I should take the blame for what white people have done that is negative.. I did not invent anything.Nor have I hurt anyone. | |
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Posted: 7/27/2008 4:02:31 PM |
But I dont see why I should take the blame for what white people have done that is negative.. I did not invent anything.Nor have I hurt anyone.
You shouldn't take the blame and that's the point as well. The door swings both ways. Jefferey Dalhmer was a serial killer and cannibal. Many people have done evil things to minorities, but if YOU didn't then don't worry about it. You're an individual. If someone blames you for the misdeeds of other Whites, just say "Hey, I never did those things man" and move on. Some people won't let it go...I know :) There are people that will see that you are White and will blame YOU for everything from slavery to the holocaust to rising gas prices to Meg Ryan's messed up plastic surgery job. She was so pretty before the surgery. Actually, she's still kinda hot...anyway...it's not YOUR fault. None of those things are; just like you can't take credit for anything that Mr. Franklin did.
bottom line...in a nut shell...long story short...don't worry about other people blaming you for the past evil deeds (or successes) of other Whites. Live your life the best way that you know how to do it as an individual White man in America. | |
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Posted: 7/29/2008 4:47:53 AM |
In no way am I trying to defend past whites,but I am not to blame for what they did.
No one is saying that you are to blame for what your ancestors did, but what all white people should understand is that we do need to accept the fact that many black people are still suffering from the decisions that our ancestors made. Allow me to explain.
Why do we have ghettos? It's not because poor black people all decided at some point in time to live in the same area and build identical houses. It's because after WWII, while white veterans were getting their government loans to buy homes of their choices and even build new ones, the only housing benefit that was offered to the black veterans was a chance to live in ghettos. Our government forced them to live amongst each other in tightly packed, substandard neighborhoods, and now that they are still their, we ridicule them for it.
That's just one example of how our parent's and grandparent's generations screwed stuff up. I'm not saying that it's our fault, but I am saying that any responsible person would at least feel some remorse and have a bit of compassion instead of criticizing. | |
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Posted: 7/29/2008 5:18:20 AM |
any responsible person would at least feel some remorse and have a bit of compassion instead of criticizing.
I was not criticizing, I didnt mean to if I did and I do feel remorse and shame in what my ancestors did. But I am also told I should not take pride in what good things my ancestors did because I did not do it.Cant I feel pride in the accomplishments of my ancestors and at the same time feel shame for their evil deeds?Here is an example. My grandmother spoke highly of a black women she had working for her as a housekeeper.I am sure my grandmother paid her a low salary, as all or most white people did. I feel shame in her for that. But when this lady became sick and was in bed for a few weeks, my grandmother, after work, would go to her house, cook, clean, and wash cloths for her and her family free of charge.Am I allowed to have pride in my grandmothers generosity.Now there was a man and women at my church. They did a lot of volunteer work raising money for migrant workers, and donated money. They had their picture in the news paper a few times, used this charity work and donations as a tax write off and the whole thing looked good on paper for them. Should I feel pride in what they do. No, because this man and women owned one of the largest tobacco farms in town. If they would pay the migrant workers a decent salary, they would not need to do all the charity work they did. | |
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Posted: 7/29/2008 5:12:35 PM | While I don't think we can really "take credit" for the accomplishment of our ancestors, I don't see why we can't share some sense of family achievement. I don't think that's wrong at all.
But just as we feel pride for their great achievements, but must also take some responsibility for their misdeeds. I mean, someone's got to clean up the mess, regardless of who actually made it.
Here's an idea. Instead of worrying about whether it is right or wrong to revel in the accomplishments of our ancestors, why don't we strive to accomplish a few great things ourselves? Overcoming racism is an accomplishment that we all can be proud of and it can never be taken away or disputed. | |
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