| Why isn't Congress hearing the cry... more drilling
Posted: 7/26/2008 11:36:29 AM | From what I hear and read, the majority of people favor drilling for oil in our own country, as do I. Why doesn't Congress hear that and act in response to the desires of the people who elected them. It is time to lift the oil drilling moratorium. I believe it is much more than a matter of oil independence. It is a matter of national security. We have to stop being dependent on importing oil from countries who hate us. And why should we send our oil dollars over there to fund their terrorist organizations when we could keep that money in our own country to help our own citizens.
We've been at this for long enough to know how to drill safely, effectively and to be mindful of environmental issues. We should absolutely be exploring all other kinds of energy options available to us in the mean time, but we will never be rid of our dependence on oil. People seem to forget that it's not just about energy. It's also about all the products we use that need oil in the manufacturing process. Hopefully, we'll be able to modify that also, but right now we need to use everything at our disposal like we should have been doing 30+ years ago during the first Arab oil embargo.
The thought of President Bush going to the House of Saud and begging for them to produce more oil is an embarrassment. They must have been laughing at us after he left, thinking... those stupid Americans, they have their own oil and still they come to us and beg. Therefore, we still maintain control.
I'm so tired of partisan politics getting in the way of progress. Remember, we still have the ability to vote. We can vote these people in or out of office if they don't act in the best interest of the majority of their constituents.
People need to write/email their elected representatives and let them know what they think before it is too late.
You can find out their addresses on the internet. Feel free to copy and paste what I've written if you feel it expresses your views.  | |
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| Why isn't Congress hearing the cry... more drilling
Posted: 7/26/2008 11:59:39 AM | | Why do you favor it? It will get us absolutely nowhere. We won't see effects of it for up to 10 years. It will ruin the tourism for the states where it will be happening, and I don't even know what kind of a mess it makes for the environment. We have our own emergency store, that can be tapped into, and it's recieving over 70,000 barrels a day. We use more than that, but I'm sure the govt. doesn't pay for it what we as consumers do, and what we already have in there is enough for an emergent situation. I say we funnel those 70,000 barrels to the consumers for a while until we get things figured out. But nobody listens to me. And if I'm writing my congressmen, I'm writing them about more important things....like impeaching the president and his little d!cky. | |
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| Why isn't Congress hearing the cry... more drilling
Posted: 7/26/2008 12:02:33 PM | Maybe because there is no cry for more drilling. Here's a cut and paste of something in an earlier thread, in response to someone who was operating under similar naivte as the OP:
1. The oil companies already have leases in existing proven oil fields that they refuse to drill in. Know why? Because it would lower the price of gas, which would lower the obscene profits they're making.
2. The Dems have already proposed tapping into the Strategic Oil Reserve, which would provide immediate relief to the public. Your Republican leaders shot it down. Know why? Because it would lower the price of gas, which would lower the obscene profits their contribubors are making.
So the Republican party has already shot down a workable solution, and the oil companies aren't even drilling in fields they're already allowed to. | |
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| Why isn't Congress hearing the cry... more drilling
Posted: 7/26/2008 12:14:08 PM | The Oil reserves are for a National Emergency. Period.
China and Russia are drilling within 40 miles of our shores. Yet, we can't because of the Liberals.
The Welfare of the Consumers... economy, etc. is far more important than impeachment of the President...especially in this case...since the Democrats would have to 'impeach' their own Congress as well.
The Oil Companies have explored the existing acres and submitted reports that it is not producing the oil. They have even offered to swap out the acres. The Democrats won't allow it.
It will not take 10 years to drill and get the oil to the pumps. This is a myth/Liberal lies. It can be done in 1-3 years easily with the present/modern technology.
The Democrats will not allow oil refineries to be built on the existing acres.
It's sure looking like the Libs/Dems. are in the pocket of Al Gore and probably have investments in his 'carbon credits' business ventures; therefore, they are blocking all efforts to drill.
The People of the US, via polls, etc. are screaming at Congress to drill.
Republicans are calling for ALL avenues to get passed in Congress... Drilling/Alternatives, etc. The Democrats are not allowing it to come up for Votes. | |
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| Why isn't Congress hearing the cry... more drilling
Posted: 7/26/2008 12:26:27 PM |
The Welfare of the Consumers... economy, etc. is far more important than impeachment of the President
Maybe to you. But I think justice is pretty important too. And I can write to them about any little thing my heart desires. I can write to them and tell them I want a national SimmahDahnNah day if I want to. 
Read the post above your last one. And I would like to see evidence of the 10 yrs theory being a "liberal lie". So far I haven't seen anything to the contrary. | |
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| Why isn't Congress hearing the cry... more drilling
Posted: 7/26/2008 12:29:44 PM | | December 7th 1941 the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor...we were in WWII. Six months later oil production was ramped up to meet the needs of our war machine and that was with James Dean "Giant" technology. It won't take 10 years and unlike Mr. Dean we don't hit "gushers" which spill crude all over the place. The Democrats, plain and simple, want the middle class to stop all that unruly car driving and get back on the buses where they belong. We don't need to ride bicycles and kill ourselves in order to be nice to the polar bear or grizzly bear for that matter...like the guy who thought bears were superior to humans and wound up as food! | |
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| Why isn't Congress hearing the cry... more drilling
Posted: 7/26/2008 12:32:35 PM | Why is this a left or right issue? Why are some people here making it one? It's an issue both sides needs to address and fix. And both sides would be working on it if they could come together without all the partisan bullsh!t.....although mtloophiker has a point....I read that too, that the price could go down TODAY if they really wanted it to.
And I really think in 1941 the world didn't use nearly as much oil as we do now, fyi. And please.... show me where it won't take 10 years. Someone. Anyone. | |
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| Why isn't Congress hearing the cry... more drilling
Posted: 7/26/2008 12:35:35 PM | Paddy claims:
China and Russia are drilling within 40 miles of our shores.
A lie. Already debunked. I guess you didn't get the email. Or you probably did, and just don't give a damn anymore. | |
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| Why isn't Congress hearing the cry... more drilling
Posted: 7/26/2008 12:41:07 PM | | In 1941 as now we didn't/shouldn't care about how much oil the world used. We should care about the needs of the USA...unless we are going to sell the oil on the world market and return a profit to us. | |
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| Why isn't Congress hearing the cry... more drilling
Posted: 7/26/2008 1:08:55 PM |
unless we are going to sell the oil on the world market and return a profit to us.
I think we're already doing that. Which is why other countries pay such a high price and we never have. | |
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| Why isn't Congress hearing the cry... more drilling
Posted: 7/26/2008 1:41:46 PM |
China and Russia are drilling within 40 miles of our shores.
Cheney had to correct his misspeak....
But everyone loves to use it.... Like drill now.. give to poor oil companies More...
Brazil is drilling in the Gulf...
They hold the leases on most of the deep sea drilling rigs for 3-7 years.... | |
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| Why isn't Congress hearing the cry... more drilling
Posted: 7/26/2008 1:53:35 PM | Umm could it be that the US doesn't have enough oil to meet its' use of oil even with more drilling?
It would be both faster and smarter to lobby congress to allow more European cars with much higher mileage than those offered in North America to cross your borders for sale. | |
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| Why isn't Congress hearing the cry... more drilling
Posted: 7/26/2008 1:56:09 PM |
could it be that the US doesn't have enough oil to meet its' use of oil even with more drilling?
Good point loony, and one that a lot of people on here are not likely to believe unfortunately. | |
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| Why isn't Congress hearing the cry... more drilling
Posted: 7/26/2008 2:04:04 PM | There may be many "astroturf" groups sending out into the media, the idea that America wants to drill for oil...yet, go to places like Florida, California, etc, where the oil is, and you find...even the Republican governors don't want to risk tourist dollars by drilling.
If the oil companies really wanted to drill ,they already have land contracts. They don't want to, b/c its so expensive to build the new wells. The price of steel is up, the cost of food to feed the crew is up, and consumption is going down. Not worth investing when consumption is going down, and prices could go down if the dollar strengthens, which is one of the two reasons why prices are so high. Better to pocket the profit, than invest it. They already had oil drop to $10 per barrel a few decades ago.
Oil companies contribute a LOT to Congress, don't think they can't get what they want. | |
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| Why isn't Congress hearing the cry... more drilling
Posted: 7/26/2008 2:09:31 PM | [Why do you favor it? It will get us absolutely nowhere. We won't see effects of it for up to 10 years.]
Why do we favor it, because it gets us more oil!! So if we don't see the effects for 10 years, so what. At least in 10 years we'll have more oil!
[It will ruin the tourism for the states where it will be happening, and I don't even know what kind of a mess it makes for the environment.]
Really? Is there alot of tourism in ANWR? Is there alot of tourism around huge oil rigs? Since you admit you don't even know what kind of mess it makes for the environment why do you even make your previous statement?
The national strategic reserve is nothing. We use well over a million barrels of oil a day and the 70,000 barrels, if diverted, would create a dent.
So yes, go ahead and write your congressman about more important issues like impeaching the president and leave the big problems to others. | |
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| Why isn't Congress hearing the cry... more drilling
Posted: 7/26/2008 2:33:19 PM | glock, you're off by a factor of over ten thousand in the reserve and a factor of ten in your use estimates:
The national strategic reserve is nothing. We use well over a million barrels of oil a day and the 70,000 barrels, if diverted, would[n't] create a dent.
The Strategic Oil Reserve has 727,000,000 barrels of capacity, and we import about 10 million bpd. So if we wanted to make a real dent, say 5% in our imports (and don't think that's not a real dent, just listen to the oil companies squeal when this is proposed), we could draw a 500K bpd from the reserve and be set for the next four years. | |
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| Why isn't Congress hearing the cry... more drilling
Posted: 7/26/2008 3:23:46 PM | If you want to reduce oil prices and improve US energy security, offshore drilling will take years to make any difference. But you can get far quicker results by rationing gasoline. (They talked about it in the '70s.) In this way you can lower prices without increasing consumption and emissions.
Or maybe this is really about giving the big oil companies what they want. | |
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| Why isn't Congress hearing the cry... more drilling
Posted: 7/26/2008 3:31:15 PM |
Really? Is there alot of tourism in ANWR?
No, crabby, but there is in Florida and California.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joseph-romm/mccains-cruel-offshore-dr_b_111945.html
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/4215
That last one is a blog, but it's got good info and cites sources. | |
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| Why isn't Congress hearing the cry... more drilling
Posted: 7/26/2008 3:37:07 PM | If the Oil Companies would allow the Government .....
We could pull from Strategic Oil Reserve and remove the $.50 gallon tax from imported ethanol. Brazil is ready to export.
Make the standard fuel E20 and everyone could run it no need for flex fuel cars. How many barrels a day would that drop demand?
Lower the speed limit to 65 mph.
Cars with overdrive transmissions ( almost anything built since 1980's) work best at 65, not 55 mph.
E85 is selling for $2.70 a gallon... regular $3.96...
Price would go down now... Not ten years.
What prevents this is OIL companies... | |
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| Why isn't Congress hearing the cry... more drilling
Posted: 7/26/2008 3:37:25 PM | doesn't say much for our country does it. first off we don't have the foresight of a twelve year old as a nation, so we built SUVs and huge pickups by the millions, didn't do a thing for research, closed our eyes and hoped to hell that the day would never come.
we passed legislation declaring our love for our sea to shining sea and preserving our coastline from oil spills for our children and their children to enjoy. then gas went up $2 a gallon we said "oh well the hell with all that. I can't drive my SUV as far." and immediately moved to rescind the law.
now we are faced with the issue in a fashion that makes it hard to ignore, the best thing we can do is deface our coastline and drill anywhere we can knowing full well that at the very best it will make almost no difference.
meantime there is no public outcry for energy initiatives, research projects, oil saving restrictions, etc.
and the idea that drilling can produce usable oil in 1 to 3 years is complete nonsense. at the very best it will take one year to even get the plans in place much less begin construction on the rigs. | |
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| Why isn't Congress hearing the cry... more drilling
Posted: 7/26/2008 3:45:31 PM | Mtloophiker, hey that's great, but I was quoting a stat that SimmaDahnnah used, not mine.
But let's use your stats. Say that everything you say is 100% correct ( although the stat I've heard is that we import about 2 million BPD) and we drawl from the reserves and don't drill ourselves...then what? What happens at the end of 4 years? Do we drill? Or do we keep our heads in the sand and hope the issue goes away? And if you're talking about depleting the SOR , the Saudi's slow production and demand goes up (world wide) your little 5% reduction in imports ain't going to mean squat.
How's this for a solutions. Say those evil oil corporations (you know the ones that produce all the pertroleum products we use in our daily life) just decide to get out of the business of drilling and refining all together. Then what? Are we going to pray for sunshine and wind everyday?
It's easy to blame those big corporations (which I believe employ thousands of people)but they are also the ones that allow us to carry one with our daily lives. Drive to work and back, drive to the store etc,. | |
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| Why isn't Congress hearing the cry... more drilling
Posted: 7/26/2008 3:53:12 PM | How about state and federal government lifting IT'S tax?
Who's stopping you from driving 65 now?
E85 is more expensive to produce and doesn't delivery the same horsepower as gas, thus you use MORE to produce the same amount of energy.
And how is Oil companies stopping this? Aren't the politicians in control of Washington?? The same politicians that tout green energy? The dems control congress, yet it's the oil companies fault? Then you need to hold the politicians accountable for their leglect of "duty" NOT the oil companies. | |
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| Why isn't Congress hearing the cry... more drilling
Posted: 7/26/2008 3:56:36 PM | "How's this for a solutions. Say those evil oil corporations (you know the ones that produce all the pertroleum products we use in our daily life) just decide to get out of the business of drilling and refining all together. Then what? Are we going to pray for sunshine and wind everyday?"
hahaha thats pretty funny. Exxon declared record profits the last what? three years running and they are going to decide to get out of the oil business because prices go up? they don't care if prices go up, man. their markup remains the same. why the hell would they want to get out of the oil business?
"And if you're talking about depleting the SOR , the Saudi's slow production and demand goes up (world wide) your little 5% reduction in imports ain't going to mean squat."
I'm lost. drilling offshore will at best according to everybody including the oil companies only reduce our dependency by your little 10% so whats with the problem with the 5%?
truth be told 5% or 10% ain't gonna do diddly for the oil crisis anyway. the sunniest possible scenario for both of them will only mean a $0.50 difference per gallon at the most, which is definitely not going to do a lot.
personally, I don't see any point in tapping the reserve or drilling. I do see a point to the country waking up to the fact that we need to find something other than oil for energy. anything else is pretty pointless. | |
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| Why isn't Congress hearing the cry... more drilling
Posted: 7/26/2008 3:58:31 PM | | What's stopping us from driving 65 now??? The road rage idiots with loaded firearms in their gloveboxes who get upset with grandpa impeding the flow of traffic at 75, 80, whatever... | |
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| Why isn't Congress hearing the cry... more drilling
Posted: 7/26/2008 4:18:25 PM |
E85 is more expensive to produce and doesn't delivery the same horsepower as gas, thus you use MORE to produce the same amount of energy.
You need to tell all those FOOLs lined up at the stations that sell it, ......explain to them how poorly the cars are running and how it really isn't cost effective........ I mix it 30% and I am suffering...I pay $1.10 less a gallon.....It hurts....
I wish my truck were flex fuel and I could run 100%
The biggest problem is not the vehicle (SUV) its the fuel used.....were they flex fuel it would be $3 a gallon.....not great but...
Had Congress required a real cafe standard, instead of one that is 25 years old, the Big Three might have work on mileage not 300 hp engines...
People that are crying for the poor oil companies need of coast line and National Forest to drill in should show some faith and buy a couple of these big SUV's hanging around the Dealers lots.
Show faith.....Oil is the future and when "Big OIl" can drill the price will drop......
I believe Gas powered cars going the way of the Whale Blubber Lamp.....
I also believe it isn't going to matter where we give permits to drill.... The last whale ain't going to be rendered for a blubber lamp...
Oil prices have created a huge market for other fuels......
I am wondering is it hard to smuggle Sugar in from Cuba... I could start cooking and cruising.....
The McCain oil platform tour was canceled because....... The area smells from the crude spilled from Katrina....
Thats OK>>>>
Not too many people go to the beach or Alaska......
Remember the BP pipeline SPILLS.... | |
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