| | Was this a sign? Weird experience at a monastary.Page 1 of 2 (1, 2) | First off, I'm going to say that my parents are Greek and we have relatives there.
Back in 1986, my mother and I went there for the summer and during our stay we visited a elderly uncle of hers that was being cared for by nuns at a monastary. Well anyway, I had this Polaroid instant camera and my mother wanted a pic taken of her and her uncle. No problem so I go to take it but the camera doesn't work. It was working fine prior so I thought maybe the batteries were dead and didn't give it a second thought. A few minutes pass and I decide to head outside and look around and walked maybe 30 feet outside. Just standing there I start playing with the camera to see if I could get it working and yep, it took the pic. I looked at everything and it was operating normally. So figuring it was good to go I head back in to try for another pic and nothing, not so much as a peep from it. I went back outside clicking the button at the same time I walked and it wouldn't work until I was a certain distance from the building.
What was it? And BTW, the camera didn't malfunction at all for the rest of the trip. Nor am I a very religious person but this was odd to say the least. | |
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Posted: 8/1/2008 6:34:51 AM | I have had similar experiences with electronic devices, and the battery connection is the most likely place where the spirits can intervene. It is likely that they were trying to communicate with you. In my own experience, it took many years for them to contact me through vision, and I have rarely if ever heard them. I now have a somatic response to certain stimuli, and my vision requires certain herbal enhancements to allow me to see the spirits. Since many of the herbs are illegal, I can only suggest "Oil of Cassia" as a way of enhancing your vision to actually see them. If your genetics aren't right, you might not see them anyway.
Oil of Cassia is a common additive to "cinnamon" candies like "Red Hots," "Atomic Fireballs," and "Hot Tamales." | |
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Posted: 8/1/2008 6:46:24 AM | Product Warning Disclosure:
You eat the candies, you do not try to make a concoction to place on your eyes.
I'll never forget the radio show I was listening to, and the guy had a problem with needing to go the bathroom during lovemaking. Someone suggested a Kosher Pickle, and the guy thought he was supposed to use it as a plug.
POF should remove the 2 post rule, because afterthoughts like this can be important, and sometimes life threatening. | |
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Posted: 8/1/2008 7:11:04 AM | ..............hmmmmm need more info on the camera!
Such as, is it a Polaroid with an auto “too dark” function? Being a Polaroid it makes sense to have an auto function such as “too dark”, in which case you’d have to turn on the auto-flash for it to work. If it still didn’t work you probably didn’t wait long enough for the flash to charge. It probably didn’t work when you went outside of the building because you were standing in a very shaded area such as the shadow of the building, trees etc, in which case it would probably still be too dark.
Polaroids are weird, with these things built in to save you money in wasted underexposed/overexposed pictures.
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Posted: 8/1/2008 7:56:58 AM | | It was the basic camera. No extra features on it from I recall. It was weird and it's something I think about every now and then because it just didn't want to work within a certain distance of that monastary. I can't explain it. | |
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Posted: 8/1/2008 8:11:19 AM | | Your fears are well placed. There are some spirits that you don't want to mess with, especially if you are like one of the skeptics. It took me awhile to consider the confusing spirits as "muses" and let them dare to try to give me evil thoughts. If you are not a spiritual person, and don't want to face the reality of the afterlife, it has a downside, but if you are grieving a lost loved one, there is nothing but healing in their presence. It is a great relief to the soul, to know that your loved one still lives. | |
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Posted: 8/1/2008 3:56:18 PM |
If you are not a spiritual person, and don't want to face the reality of the afterlife, it has a downside,
And your evidence for an after-life is??
I find it interesting that when electo-mechanical artifacts don't work as expected, that the default explanation for some is that there has been some magical / mystical /spiritual intervention, that has influenced the operation / non-operation of the item of equipment. I guess, if one is predisposed to a belief in the magical / mystical / spiritual, then they are natural explanations for inexplicable phenomena (fade out to theme music of The Twilight Zone....or The Outer Limits). | |
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Posted: 8/1/2008 4:16:35 PM | Color blindness is a well documented and scientific human perception difficulty.
Might I suggest that you have spirit-blindness?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorblind
http://colorvisiontesting.com/
http://www.toledo-bend.com/colorblind/ishihara.html
Color blindness is typically a genetic condition, and it is much more common in men than in women. Approximately one in 12 men has at least some color perception problems. Less common, acquired deficiencies stem from injury, disease, or the aging process. Also, although not called "color blindness," when people age, their corneas typically turn yellowish, severely hampering their ability to see violet and blue colors.
http://www.webexhibits.org/causesofcolor/2.html
First of all most color impaired can see all colors. Very few color blind people can only see in black in white (less than 1%).
Color blindness is the inability to perceive differences between some colors that other people can distinguish.
It is most often of genetic nature, but might also occur because of eye, nerve or brain damage or due to use of some chemical substances.
http://tjshome.com/colorblind.php
Before getting into the details of the types of color-blindness, you should know that the following explanations are simplified versions of the complete picture. Color-blindness is a fascinating topic precisely because of its complexity..
This allows you to quote a previous post.
http://www.webaim.org/articles/visual/colorblind.php | |
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Posted: 8/1/2008 6:11:24 PM | Was this a sign? Yes, IMO it was a sign that you camera had an intermittent problem
that happened the same time you were at a monastery.
Happens sometimes with electronic equipment.
Drives technicians crazy trying to fix the problem.
Probably never happen again.
If it does then just buy a new one.
They cost more to repair than replace. | |
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Posted: 8/1/2008 9:19:33 PM |
Color blindness is a well documented and scientific human perception difficulty.
Might I suggest that you have spirit-blindness?
Colour blindness is a valid phenomenon because varying light wavelengths giving rise to a perception of colour have been proved to exist. The same cannot be said of "spirit blindness." The assertion that a gifted minority are able to perceive something that is hidden to the inferior, non-spiritual ones among us is enough to make many a BS detector fly off the scale.
The websites you list for colour blindness are no doubt, very informative but in no way support a belief in "spirit blindness." | |
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Posted: 8/1/2008 9:41:29 PM | | Those Polaroid instant cameras have the batteries in the film pack. When you change the pack, you get fresh batteries. If the film pack was really old it's possible that the batteries were weak. If you're near the end of the film pack, the batteries are weaker. The camera probably needed to flash (until you got outdoors) but the batteries were simply too weak to charge up the flash or was taking a long time to do so. Also, because the batteries are in the film pack, the battery connections to the camera can be poor/flaky/intermittent. | |
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Posted: 8/1/2008 9:56:05 PM |
Color blindness is a well documented and scientific human perception difficulty.
Might I suggest that you have spirit-blindness?
Perhaps you'd care to provide a shred of evidence for the existence of any spirit, for starters.
Might I suggest you have `logic-blindness`, a very well documented and common human condition. | |
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Posted: 8/1/2008 10:15:36 PM | C'mon guys leave him alone. Everyone knows if something malfunctions, and there's no obvious answers, then supernatural forces are at work.
I always remember [and excuse me if I've told this story before] going to bed one night in a country hotel with a full bottle of whisky on the bedside cabinet. Now this is where it gets really weird.
When I awoke the next morning, not only did I have a really bad headache, but the bottle was empty and I had all this ectoplasm down the front of my pj's, and no recollection of the night before.
Very disturbing stuff. | |
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Posted: 8/1/2008 10:28:13 PM |
I always remember [and excuse me if I've told this story before] going to bed one night in a country hotel with a full bottle of whisky on the bedside cabinet. Now this is where it gets really weird.
When I awoke the next morning, not only did I have a really bad headache, but the bottle was empty and I had all this ectoplasm down the front of my pj's, and no recollection of the night before.
Very disturbing stuff.
Clearly you were sodomized by a rapist ghost who absorbed the liquid energy of said bottle in order to carry out it's deed. | |
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Posted: 8/1/2008 10:46:35 PM |
Clearly you were sodomized by a rapist ghost who absorbed the liquid energy of said bottle in order to carry out it's deed.
Using Occam's razor, that would probably be the only logical conclusion SI. | |
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Posted: 8/1/2008 10:50:00 PM |
Might I suggest you have `logic-blindness`, a very well documented and common human condition.
Yes, but then I might suggest that you don't own a weed eater, and this thread could get ugly fast.
And your evidence for an after-life is??
About the same as your evidence that it doesn't, with the addition of personal experience with cinnamon candies.
Colour blindness is a valid phenomenon because varying light wavelengths giving rise to a perception of colour have been proved to exist. The same cannot be said of "spirit blindness."
So you have performed experiments on the light wavelengths of the spiritual world?
C'mon guys leave him alone. Everyone knows if something malfunctions, and there's no obvious answers, then supernatural forces are at work.
Yes sir. And if man were meant to fly, he would have wings.
I just saw another sign:
"You want proof of the afterlife: Touch a Cowboy's Truck." | |
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Posted: 8/1/2008 11:00:45 PM |
Might I suggest you have `logic-blindness`, a very well documented and common human condition.
Yes, but then I might suggest that you don't own a weed eater, and this thread could get ugly fast.
If the thread got 'ugly', as you put it, it certainly won't be on my account.
And your evidence for an after-life is??
About the same as your evidence that it doesn't, with the addition of personal experience with cinnamon candies.
You have the burden of proof by asserting the existence of any afterlife.
Furthermore, personal experience isn't valid evidence, anymore than personal experience with fairies is. | |
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Posted: 8/1/2008 11:06:15 PM |
personal experience isn't valid evidence, anymore than personal experience with fairies is.
That is why I suggest experimentation with cinnamon candies. You don't have to try them. You could suspect I work for the International Cinnamon Candy cartel.
I really don't care what you think. I have a scientific hypothesis, and I am willing to do the research if I can get the funding. | |
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Posted: 8/1/2008 11:18:07 PM | If the thread got 'ugly', as you put it, it certainly won't be on my account.
So its okay to suggest that someone was surmized and risked on this forum, without anybody calling it "ugly?" | |
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Posted: 8/1/2008 11:27:33 PM |
I really don't care what you think. I have a scientific hypothesis, and I am willing to do the research if I can get the funding.
By all means, enlighten me with your scientific hypothesis. I'm quite interested actually.
So its okay to suggest that someone was sodomized and raped on this forum, without anybody calling it "ugly?"
That was sarcastic humor flying right over your head, which the person whom I said it too actually understood. The fact I was talking about a ghost should've made that obvious, but apparently it wasn't to you. | |
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Posted: 8/2/2008 12:24:55 AM |
By all means, enlighten me with your scientific hypothesis. I'm quite interested actually.
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I was thinking that someone who touted their logical thought processes could figure it out.
That was sarcastic humor flying right over your head, which the person whom I said it too actually understood. The fact I was talking about a ghost should've made that obvious, but apparently it wasn't to you.
I actually know lots of people who think sarcasm is ugly without any mention of rape, but you said something about logic, so I'll let you figure out if it is as ugly when you mention such things.
http://www.toledo-bend.com/colorblind/ishihara.html
Color blindness is typically a genetic condition, and it is much more common in men than in women. Approximately one in 12 men has at least some color perception problems. Less common, acquired deficiencies stem from injury, disease, or the aging process. Also, although not called "color blindness," when people age, their corneas typically turn yellowish, severely hampering their ability to see violet and blue colors.
http://www.webexhibits.org/causesofcolor/2.html
First of all most color impaired can see all colors. Very few color blind people can only see in black in white (less than 1%).
Color blindness is the inability to perceive differences between some colors that other people can distinguish.
It is most often of genetic nature, but might also occur because of eye, nerve or brain damage or due to use of some chemical substances.
http://tjshome.com/colorblind.php
Before getting into the details of the types of color-blindness, you should know that the following explanations are simplified versions of the complete picture. Color-blindness is a fascinating topic precisely because of its complexity..
http://www.webaim.org/articles/visual/colorblind.php | |
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Posted: 8/2/2008 12:30:17 AM | Message #17
About the same as your evidence that it doesn't, with the addition of personal experience with cinnamon candies.
I'm not the one making the claim for the existence of an after life....or spirits....the onus is not up to me to provide evidence that they exist, or to prove that they don't exist. The OP provided a case study for explaining the mechanical malfunction of a camera, and reasonable non supernatural explanations were provided, that didn't require the consumption of exotic confectionary.
Was an exorcism performed on the camera?? Maybe some holy water might help?? Or a fresh battery?? | |
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Posted: 8/2/2008 1:12:12 PM | Wow, guys!! Ever hear of the old saying: "Let's agree to disagree"? The OP asked a question; he included a "possible questioning" of non-empirical evidence as a "possible theory". Then..., people give both "empirical" & "non-empirical" POSSIBLE THEORIES as a means to answer the OP's question, ... and then you guys start bashing each other for having a difference in opinion...? Summer holiday, anyone?
Yes... the camera could have malfunctioned (odd that it did work/ didn't/did work/didn't work, though?); the light or battery could have been a factor; maybe there was an electromagnetic occurance in the area at that time period and/or radio transmission somehow interfered (that sometimes happens); or... maybe it was Spirits; a priest with a mission; or an act of God. Whatever the explanation is/was, I don't think it is a cause to start disrespecting each other, just because you differ in "opinions"... and that's all they are, folks.
We are all the same, yet we are all unique... Let's acknowledge that? To take a side here (if I am even allowed to have a choice?) I will argue on the side that has least support (as I am always in support of an underdog). How can you prove Spirit exists? Okay, are you a believer in God (a higher power of some name?) If the answer is "Yes", than I challenge you to prove with "empirical evidence" that God exists... (Don't get me wrong, I completely believe in "one" omnipotent, omniscient & omnibenevolent being, and I have no interest in proving why, so don't get off track) . These questions are for your own mind, not to be debated on the thread.
So..., if you believe in God, you believe in the fact that there are "some things" in this life that can't be proved scientifically or empirically.... IF you acknowledge one, you can't disregard the "possibility" of others, right? I have a question about the "original question" of this thread, for the OP.
Did you "ask permission" of the people who ran the Church first, before you tried to take the photo? There are some religious artifacts, etc. that are very treasured & Sacred, and maybe one of them was either in the background and/or in the same room as you were in? If so, "possibly" this was why the camera did not work. ONLY a "possible theory" guys, so don't all go getting your knickers in a knot again...  | |
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Posted: 8/2/2008 1:30:55 PM | | It's not about agreeing to disagree, it's about gottalight stating he has a scientific hypothesis & when asked what it is, he either changes the subject or refuses to answer a simple question & then goes off on a tangent about his dead wife having her head removed from her a$$hole by spirits. | |
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