Finding the Switch
Homosexuality may persist because the associated genes convey surprising advantages on homosexuals' family members.

By: Robert Kunzig

MY GOD LOVES HOMOSEXUALS AS MUCH AS HE LOVES HETEROSEXUALS.
Let me say it again so that I'm really, really clear on this:
MY GOD LOVES HOMOSEXUALS AS MUCH AS HE LOVES HETEROSEXUALS

Even this theoretical scenario is based on the assumption that a certain group will be caught in a conflict of values because of the assumption that they would choose to abort a fetus that would grow up to be "gay".

But just say, in the future, parents are able to identify exactly what traits their unborn child will inherit? What will the anti homosexual proponents do with this paradoxical dilemma?? Will there suddenly be scripture that will be interpreted as a "get out of jail free" card and endorse abortion as they would rather endure this "sin" than contemplate the knowledge that they will be raising a child who is immediately labelled as "sinful" within their doctrine and dogma?

If the "gay gene" is proven, what does that say about God?

(Personally, it tells me that God don't make no junk..)

But really, how will the dogma driven folk interpret this? Can it be asumed that they've offended their god, so they and their unborn will go to hell? Or will the "Grace" card be played? Me, if I were a believer, would be wondering at this point, what the hell? What did I do to deserve this??? Does a believer have the child, then subject their poor homosexual child to questionable gender re-programming despite their "gayness" being ordained by God? How do you get around this little bit?
Will this begin a new round of genetic tampering/engineering and how does one marry God's gift of life to believers to changing His gift to suit their dogma?

An innocent little baby being looked at that way before it even opens its eyes to this world..

I too am pro-choice, but the very thought of the likelihood of all this sickens me to the core.

But youre ok with a baby's neck being twisted until broken, then their brains sucked out through a tube while their mother gives birth at nine months? Because that kind of abortion happens every day that pro-choicers vote for the savage act of barbarism.
I am outraged every time I hear of someone that pities everyone but the defenseless infant..they dont have a voice but by God, you'll hear mine, if it kills me.

o.. my mom was not really prepared to be a mom, and was abusive in virtually every way possible.

Raven you are misinterpreting the Bible.
A key componant for Christians is the concept of sinner versus sin.
Love the sinner and hate the sin was the message of Christ.

Also in Hilchot Shabbat, the Tzitz Eliezer and the Chelkat Yaackov allow the desecration of the Sabbath for the purposes of saving someone who is suicidal.

In the case of someone who is dying, many poskim permit such a person to forego treatments which may extend his life somewhat because of mental anguish of the patient and the family.

While all these cases seem to imply that mental anguish would be enough to permit transgression of a Torah commandment based on the concept of someone in mental anguish being considered someone equivalent to those whom are dangerously ill, the question arises if this is allowed because of a one-time dispensation or in theory, could mental anguish be enough to permit regular violations of Torah law?

The fact is that the Torah and halacha do not deal with letting a person off with a warning "this time" or letting you get away with this "just this once." Were someone to need to violate a Torah law on a regular basis to save life, this would also be permitted again and again.

This left the majority of Jews in these countries with the unenviable choice of converting completely to Islam or accepting martyrdom. Rabbi Berel Wein in his book of Jewish history explains that many Jews asked one of the rabbis of the time if it would be permitted to convert outwardly to Islam while remaining Jewish in private. He had told them no, and they should prepare for martyrdom. Rabbi Wein relates that many Jews cracked after this and converted to Islam completely, while others preparing to be martyrs cracked under the tremendous emotional strain. Into this melee, Rambam injected himself and offered proofs that it would be permissible to convert outwardly to Islam while retaining as many as possible of the Jewish laws as the people could.

Another case which is quite similar is that of the Jews in Egypt. According to legend, Rambam used to sign all his letters, Moshe Ben Maimon who transgresses three negative commandments in the Torah every day of his life. This is based on the biblical injunction against returning to Egypt. Again, while theoretically the Jews of Egypt could have moved elsewhere, because of the mental anguish of such a possible move, they were permitted to stay where they were.

It would seem clear then, based on the halacha, that there would be room to provide certain leniency for homosexual Jews to have some form of physical expression of their feelings. Nor would it seem that it is necessary to try to spend years going through therapy or to try to get married. I certainly would not advocate simply accepting on faith that someone is homosexual. After a competent therapist has been consulted and it has been determined that this person is indeed homosexual, it would seem that conversion therapy or marriage would not be called for and would actually be prohibited.

In Hilchot Ibur (pregnancy), Rav Elyashiv, the Sheelat Yaavetz, the Torat Chesed and the Even Haezer permitted an abortion within 40 days of conception for a woman who was suicidal over having a child. The Tzitz Eliezer permitted abortions up to the 7th month for similar reasons and in cases where the baby is going to be severely deformed or will die soon after birth. All this is based of course, on the mental anguish of the mother.

The reasoning of the poskim (rabbinic authorities) who permit before 40 days is also relevant to our case, since the reasoning is that until that time, the Talmud considers the fetus as "mere waters" and therefore the only prohibition involved is shikvat zera (spilling seed) as opposed to murder. The Tzitz Eliezer brings a different proof to allow abortions up to 7 months, however this is not relevant to our case.

But youre ok with a baby's neck being twisted until broken, then their brains sucked out through a tube while their mother gives birth at nine months? Because that kind of abortion happens every day that pro-choicers vote for the savage act of barbarism.
I am outraged every time I hear of someone that pities everyone but the defenseless infant..they dont have a voice but by God, you'll hear mine, if it kills me.

As far as genetic screening goes.. it's kind of like stem cell research, isn't it? Are we as a race going to be able to draw up workable ethics for messing with the code of life itself? If we can't stop blowing each other up and abusing one another and allowing children to starve in a world of plenty how the hell are we going to be able to agree on who deserves to be born or not?

As to the stance that God is somehow against gays? That one I will not stay quiet on, not now and not EVER.

I would never claim to know who God favors or disfavors however their is a better way.
How about adoption?

Considering that the alternative lifestyle lobby has been instrumental in the abortion rights movement how will they argue against people aborting a "gay fetus"?