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I have a friend that had some small chicks in a free range style habitat. Her dog was in another area so the dog did not have access to the chicks. Somehow, the chicks got to the dog and the dog killed them.
The dog is a Bichon Frise, which is a small fluffy dog. Not a killer dog like a Rottweiller.
The dog knew this was bad as when my friend went looking for the chicks, the dog tried to hide it.
So now here is the question. How does one punnish the dog? Should the dog be put down because this can happen again.
One time, when I was at a show and was watching some sheep dog trials, I asked an owner of a dog (border collie this one was) and the owner said to get the deceased creature and tie it to its neck. Although I do think this is just a tad going too far.
What do others think? | |
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Posted: 8/31/2008 5:51:12 AM |
Not a killer dog like a Rottweiller
I have never met a killer rottweiller........... Small dogs seem more inclined to attack - nip, bite than larger ones.
Back on the farm any dog that killed stock is put down - the belief that once they have a taste for blood they will kill again. Its all a days sport for a dog - either keep them separate or get rid of one or the other................................ Training is also a good idea.
I still cant believe the rotti comment, they are the most beautiful, loving sooks of dogs.
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Posted: 8/31/2008 5:52:26 AM | Im so sorry that your friend has had this happen, it must have been terribly upsetting for them.
I look at it this way .. a dog is designed to hunt things, that the little chicks would have been running around and would have excited the dog. Dogs are bred for all sorts of things ratting, hunting, retrieving.
Its the nature of the animal, I honestly dont believe that it is wrong or anything that you can 'untrain' from the animal. We had a dog and she was the most beautiful sweet natured animal you could ever meet... unless you were a bird or a small furry thing. It meant that we had to always be on the ball, we had to know where she was and that wildlife and other pets were safe.
I think that it is impossible to 'punish' natural instinct, rather your friend now knows and must be vigilant with her other animals. We have a cat .. I also have a great love of wildlife, our cat stays inside. Try a dog trainer, like 'bark busters' they may have some suggestions.
Again .. I am so sorry that you and your friend have had to face this. | |
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Posted: 8/31/2008 5:57:54 AM |
I still cant believe the rotti comment, they are the most beautiful, loving sooks of dogs.
Yeah, sorry about that, it was just a name that came to my head.
I also agree with you. I once had two dogs. One was fully grown and the other was a 12 month old pup.
The 12 month pup attacked the older dog so with small children (not mine) around, I had the pup put down because I could not risk having one of the children attacked, not to mention other animals that would come into the way of this pup.
What I should have said in breeds of dogs was a Bull terrior. Which I know from experience that these dogs can be viscious. I used to own one and sadly, this was the dog that had to be put to sleep. | |
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Posted: 8/31/2008 6:00:16 AM | Bl##dy heel 2sir.....,. when your in a hole ...., stop digging !  | |
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4rum
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Posted: 8/31/2008 6:25:28 AM | Dogs are dogs, no matter what size eg Corgies are notorious for being biters.
My family bred bullies and staffies. They were big softies. How dogs behave is a reflection of their owners but at the end of the day, dogs also revert to their breeds nature so it's the owners job to respect that nature and expect it to surface for certain triggers.
I'm sorry that your friend's little chicks were slaughtered.
I have seen that silly method of tying things around the dog's neck. The results can work either way. I don't agree with the dog being put down for killing chicks. Yes, if a person was attacked without provocation.
Keep the dog indoors. He was bred to be a cute companion. | |
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Posted: 8/31/2008 6:30:54 AM |
Keep the dog indoors. He was bred to be a cute companion.
That is exactly what I think. Dogs like that should not be outside to do anything other than its business.
They are lap dogs. | |
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Posted: 8/31/2008 6:41:12 AM | Does this mean that we can start bumping off cats, every time they kill a bird.
My dog has nailed a few noisey minors(no loss there).....they pick on her when she's down in the yard........it was self defence in my opinion.
Maybe the chicks ganged up on the pookie dog. | |
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Posted: 8/31/2008 6:57:04 AM | | 4rum - my parents bred pedigree bullies & won RNA ribbons for our dogs&u would never see a bigger lot of spoilt brats in yr life(the dogs) wot a bunch of pussies.The dogs got bacon, sausages,etc for brekkie - we got vegemite toast but I loved each of them - talk about personalities! | |
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Posted: 8/31/2008 7:01:40 AM | | P>S> I have been attacked by a dog & bit my back - it was a every day dog not a so called 'killer' we also owned a pitbull that was beaten & abandonded as a puppy that was the sweetest girl in the world | |
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Posted: 8/31/2008 7:30:41 AM | | a guy that used to live in town had a red cattle dog in a small yard and it used to jump the fence and attack the ambulance people as they went to the cars. The local council were informed on more then one occasion to do something but they never did. So one day i was out for a walk and had decided to take that particular street and what do u know the dog jumped the fence and attacked a young child riding a pushbike. So i did the 1st thing i could think of and got inbetween the dog and the kid so it would focus on me. It worked the dog turned on me and tried to attack me so i did what came naturally i defended myself with a series of kicks to the dog ending in me killing it. I told the owner of the dog what had happened and he reported me to the RSPCA for animal cruelty. What else was i suposed to do in that situation let the dog kill a child? | |
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Posted: 8/31/2008 7:53:19 AM |
What else was i suposed to do in that situation let the dog kill a child?
IMHO, you did the right thing. I probably would not have gone as far as killing it, but defending the child, yes I would derail attention from the child. Some dogs can be viscious, these dogs need to be put down.
I have been attacked by a dog & bit my back - it was a every day dog not a so called 'killer'
Regardless if it is a rottweiller, a bull terrior or a poodle! Some dogs are viscious, I never said that all dogs are viscious, but when a dog, shows behaviour issues like these, they need to be destroyed for the safety of the public.
Maybe a muzzle for some dogs may help. Dogs can snap for no apparent reason, even docile dogs. Sometimes a dog will bite you if you are not paying them enough attention, other times they can be in pain and this is how they react. | |
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Posted: 8/31/2008 8:10:21 AM | | i didnt have any choice in killin it everytime i kicked it it kept tryin to attack me | |
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Posted: 8/31/2008 8:13:16 AM | Hello 2sir ol' mate!
Few things come to mind here... the first being that the killing may not have been viscious?? Dogs mouth and paw small things, and we as keepers often encourage this behaviour without even realising it with balls, dog chew toys etc... the death of these little 'toys' may actually have been inadvertent?... The dog may have been just as surprised to find them lifeless as its owners?
The second thing is housing. When we combine animals in close quarters, we have to be very aware of their different natures. Dogs by nature are territorial and will signal and then defend their territory if ANYTHING unusual wanders into it. Proximity is an important factor in animal behaviour.
As the chicks were in the dogs enclosure, I'd be more inclined to smack the owners on the bum than the dog... we have a responsibility to care for animals if we chose to confine them, and small chicks roaming beyond the protection of their mother are defenceless. Maybe suggest your mates house their animals well if they want to see them to live long lives?
I can see no reason why this dog should be put down, other than sheer ignorance and apathy on the owners part.
IF they are willing to live and learn, sad as it is to see nature at work... those animal keepers might hopefully learn something from it, and alter their housing to accomodate the next batch of chicks safely. | |
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Posted: 8/31/2008 8:32:48 AM | Sorry I believe this is the owners fault, not the dogs, and the dog certainly shouldn't be put down for it!!
I agree with Bionic Angel ~ they need to re-think the animal housing situation. | |
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Posted: 8/31/2008 9:32:43 AM | | I guess its just the nature of the beast. We had an aussie terrier with a penchant for live chickens. She was a much-loved pet so we kept her and the chickens apart. What I object to is when the choice is taken out of your hands - i.e our neighbour's dog broke into our chicken coop and ripped them all to bits, they were the kids pets too. | |
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Posted: 8/31/2008 2:34:04 PM | I've got a mini Schnauzer, he loves to attack a plate of chicken nuggets. Especially with sweet and sour sauce.  | |
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Posted: 8/31/2008 7:24:33 PM | | One lead pill right between the dog's eyes will fix everything. | |
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Hagars
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Posted: 8/31/2008 8:05:53 PM | anyone seen on the news the wild dogs around alice springs?
the odd one is munching out on dead bodies. | |
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Posted: 8/31/2008 8:07:23 PM | Hello BA, it is good to see you back. 
I agree with what you said. I have a border collie cross and I have seen her tear apart a small soft teddy bear just playing. I have also seen her chew up my ex's work boots.  She is a normal dog and has been raised not to bite anyone or anything. In fact when she was younger, she used to run in about 300 sheep from a paddock at a time and not a nick on them.
I do think, that the owner of the dog and the chicks should take some responsibility for this. Some dogs are viscious, but all dogs like to play. Maybe the dog thought that the chick was a toy and got confused. I don't know. I think it is up to the owner of the animals to take control here to take charge.
I have seen innocent animals mauled to death by some dogs. Even humans being severely scarred for life by them. These dogs are viscious and should be put down. Is it the dog's fault? I don't think so.
Some dogs are specifically bred for fighting and taught to become viscious by their owners, I don't think this is the case in this scenario.
When I had a farm, I used to also have free range ducks (for the eggs, great for baking) and foxes would come along and totally destroy the ducks. Same as the chooks, same as the lambs I bred.
Nature is cruel and when a fox attacks it shows no mercy. They destroy fences, gates and even dig to get to them. While farmers take every care to protect their animals from harm, sometimes mother nature does interveine.
I think in the case of the poor little pooch who ate the chicks, I think some tender loving care for the pooch could be needed here. I don't think this dog is a killer dog and I don't think the owner of the dog needs to be as drastic as to be putting the dog to sleep over this matter.
In a case such as what another poster said the dog jumped a fence to get to a child on a push bike, definitely, this dog does have some behavioural problems and either needs a new owner, or to be put down. However, it does depend on the age of the animal, ever heard of the saying "you can't teach an old dog new tricks."
I know it is cruel when an innocent animal does die from a dog and the dog is put to sleep, but in my opinion, if the dog itself had more attention and more excersize, it would not do such things.
Dogs are very territorial. They own the property and anything that comes near that property, they will at least bark at them. Maybe the dog saw the chicks as an invasion on it's territory. This is why dogs don't generally like cats, other dogs or even some humans. They see them as a threat on their life. I never will blame a dog for its behaviour. Dogs are animals, they do not have a conscience. We as people do, if we murdered someone, we should (although in some cases, some don't) feel remourse. This is because of our conscience.
Think of a dog in the wild. It sees a chick or a chicken, or even a fully grown larger beast such as a horse or a cow. They think FOOD! Gotta get me some. All dogs have this basic instinct, they need that animal to survive. It is part of their food chain and cycle of life. They don't have the luxury of going to the supermarket to buy some nice chicken breast or a piece of rump steak, they have to find it and hunt it for their survival.
Female's are worst for this. Rarely you will see a male dog maul anything. It is because the female of the species hunts for her young. It is perfectly natural for her to do this regardless if she has puppies or not. Cats are the same.
Animals of all varieties can be killers, just like people. A horse can kill, same as a fox or a dingo. Even a ram can kill. But if an animal is trained to kill, it would be attacking everything, not just a chick.
Like you said, we congratulate our dogs if they fetch a ball, sometimes even give them a treat for doing so. With this said, the dog thinks it would be getting a reward if it catches some chicks. Dogs don't understand what a chick is like we do. We are supposed to be the intelligent ones and we do need to take control.
I think with the housing of the chicks, especially at such a young age (for if they were older chickens, they could have had some defence in turning the tables on the dog). Young chicks need to be protected against more than just dogs. They need to be in a coup to protect them from lots of things such as foxes, neighbours dogs or even wild cats. Chicks need a large area to move around and so a coup is needed. If this is not possible to do on ones land, then chicken wire is needed to keep the dog and the chicks separated.
Hopefully the owner of the deceased chicks decides to get the full grown bird instead of chicks this time, with some modifications made to the premises. There are lots of battery hens that would love a second chance of life and I think these ones would benefit more than a chick who was hatched from a very healthy hen.
Ok, I think I have babbled on enough for now. | |
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Posted: 8/31/2008 8:23:16 PM |
the owner said to get the deceased creature and tie it to its neck
This method worked on my friend's dogs. Lol.
He has 3 Amstaffs and when they were growing up, they had different interests.
Chop was into blue tongues
JD was into any sort of birds
and Tonka is the tranquil zen master, doesn't kill a thing. But loves shoes...like most females.
Anyway, they have had blue tongues tied to them, dead bird, boots and other stuff that they chewed up...etc. They never chew and kill after whatever it was has been tied to it's neck for a week or so.
Most dogs just see small animals as toys I guess.  | |
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Posted: 8/31/2008 8:29:03 PM |
Does anyone know what to do with a dog that attacks other creatures?
If you want it to stop you kill the dog, simple!! You can't change what is in some dogs nature. | |
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Posted: 3/7/2010 5:06:48 AM |
I have never met a killer rottweiller........... Small dogs seem more inclined to attack - nip, bite than larger ones.
Interesting. Do you think it's stray Shitzus, Jack Russells or Chihuahuas that pull down livestock in the dead of night? Born hunters those little buggers... | |
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Posted: 3/7/2010 5:44:42 AM |
I have never met a killer rottweiller........... Small dogs seem more inclined to attack - nip, bite than larger ones.
Interesting. Do you think it's stray Shitzus, Jack Russells or Chihuahuas that pull down livestock in the dead of night? Born hunters those little buggers...
No I haven't seen it, but maybe it does happen. Maybe they found a milk crate or a ladder! | |
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Posted: 3/7/2010 12:52:30 PM | Here's the thing: dogs do not have morals.
They can appear to feel 'shame' but really this is a conditioned response from being 'in trouble' over previous/similar incidences. Dogs don't "think killing is wrong" or think "uh-oh my owner will be mad that I killed their property."
Plus, most dogs chase small, fast-moving objects.
Putting a dead chick around the dog's neck won't work. By the time the offence is discovered the dog's most likely forgotten about it anyway. Tying the chick around its neck, even if it DOES remember that it killed the chick, will only make it think "hey, why are you tying a chick around my neck? People are weird!"
Dogs do not show disgust for dead creatures the way humans do.
Incidentally, rubbing a dog's nose in its "accidents" usually receives the same nonplussed reaction from the dog, because dogs don't find excrement/urine disgusting the way humans do.
So I think overall, the ONLY thing your friend can do is keep the dog away from anything it's likely to chase and kill. I don't think chasing and killing chicks is necessarily a sign this dog will bite anyone's face off, but then, I wouldn't leave any kind of dog with children unsupervised. | |
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