| 800 Pound Murder Suspect will NOT be jailed???[Thread Closed/Should Be Obvious]
Posted: 9/1/2008 9:22:52 AM | A Texas judge has decided not to jail a murder suspect who weighs nearly half a ton!
Instead, Mayra Rosales, 27, must wear a GPS tracker until the day of her murder trial.
She is suspected of murdering her TWO year old nephew, Eliseo Gonzalez Jr.
She allegedly hit him twice in his head while he was in her care.
This COULD not be more heart-breaking.
It enrages me that this woman isn't being punished to the full extent of the law --
They say there is NO cell big enough to hold her massive body and that she would need round the clock medical care... What about this child?? How can this happen??? | |
|
| |
| 800 Pound Murder Suspect will NOT be jailed???
Posted: 9/1/2008 9:48:36 AM |
Who would leave their child in the care of a bed-ridden woman?
Not me. I would leave my kids with my parents and sisters who were not bed ridden, yet they had enough trouble.HaHa.I am sorry to hear the child was killed. | |
|
| 800 Pound Murder Suspect will NOT be jailed???
Posted: 9/1/2008 10:57:02 AM | | So If your 800 pounds you dont have to go to jail when you murder someone???? Find a cell or hospital bed to fit the woman, just keep her on bread and water like in the old days and maybe she will lose weight. | |
|
| 800 Pound Murder Suspect will NOT be jailed???
Posted: 9/1/2008 11:12:36 AM | Due process still applies to the woman. She hasn't been convicted yet, so the only considerations are whether she's a flight risk or an imminent danger to the community. I doubt her relatives will allow her to be around any more small children at this point. At 800 pounds, she wouldn't be inconspicuous anywhere, so she's not a flight risk. It actually does make sense to just outfit her with a tracking device and monitor her.
If and when she is convicted, she should receive the maximum punishment, of course. | |
|
| 800 Pound Murder Suspect will NOT be jailed???
Posted: 9/1/2008 11:17:11 AM | DestinyRose ~~~
Exactly - Why should her propensity for obesity or health issues come into play at all?...maybe the town doesn't want to invest the tax dollars in her health care.
If there is evidence that she truly did this, then they need to put her in the hospital on a liquid diet until she's small enough to fit in a jail cell....there are people right now in jail that have done far less henious crimes and are in jail for years. This is not fair.
They also need to give her lie detector test.
Also, apparently, her lawyer is saying that due to her condition she cannot move her arms around enough to kill a child with them. Then how did she stuff the food in her mouth? Is a nurse hand feeding her? How has she survived so far?
The child's mother believes that her sister "rolled over" onto the child and believes it was NOT done on purpose.
Either way, it's a tragedy. I actually hope it wasn't on purpose, and yet, if it was an accident, shouldn't she be convicted on manslaughter charges? | |
|
| 800 Pound Murder Suspect will NOT be jailed???
Posted: 9/1/2008 11:21:53 AM | | So IF they could find a house arrest ankle (cankle?) bracelet large enough to fit this woman, who would have to feed her? Would her housing be paid for by her family? Maybe the family footing the bill for this disgusting killer isn't such a bad idea after all. Better than making the tax payers do it. | |
|
| 800 Pound Murder Suspect will NOT be jailed???
Posted: 9/1/2008 11:24:14 AM | Spitfire ~ I agree 100% --- But according to what I read, she won't go to jail regardless of her guilt, due to her size. She isn't able to leave the house - they say that taking her from the house would kill her.
Yes, for now, the GPS system is fine, since she can't move, but she'll get to liveout her life, just as she has been, even if she's found guilty? That's what I find so upsetting.
She deserves a fair trial and I think a polygraph is in order, but HOW can she remain out of jail if they find that she's really done this? Ugh!
Also --- a post-mortem found that the child's injuries were "consistent with blunt force trauma" and that Mayra Rosales' explanations were inconsistent with the injuries. | |
|
| |
| 800 Pound Murder Suspect will NOT be jailed???
Posted: 9/1/2008 11:31:04 AM |
Also, apparently, her lawyer is saying that due to her condition she cannot move her arms around enough to kill a child with them. Then how did she stuff the food in her mouth? Is a nurse hand feeding her? How has she survived so far?
Maybe the family footing the bill for this disgusting killer isn't such a bad idea after all.
Look at all the hate in you people!
I am so tired with the rabid, throw em in jail and throw away the key mentality of americans. It is extremely ignorant and costing this country billions.
I truely do not know the whole story to this one. It definitely is a tradgedy though. A little child has died, and it looks like it was accidental. So she has lost her nephew and she will be tried for probably manslaughter. Her life was already probably pretty miserable and now it just gets worse.
I completely disagree with jailing people for manslaughter. All it does is feed more money into the penal/"justice" system and cost the tax payers more money, while destroying somebodies liffe because of an accident.
We already have the highest incarceration rate in the world. "Land of the free", my buttt. All we know in this country is revenge. | |
|
| 800 Pound Murder Suspect will NOT be jailed???
Posted: 9/1/2008 11:32:41 AM | Sounds to me like she is already in a self made jail. She is too fat to go anywhere, do anything (except kill a child) and lord knows she isn't going to RUN from anyone.
If her family is/was stupid enough to allow her to live this way, and not get her mental help in the first place then they deserve to take care of her and be reminded of their stupidty and actions in the first place.... I hope the mother of the child is the one responsible for taking care of her the rest of her fat and unhappy life. And if and when she does loose enough weight to go to jail.. take her directly to jail and never pass go! | |
|
| 800 Pound Murder Suspect will NOT be jailed???
Posted: 9/1/2008 11:33:34 AM | GoodDay ~~
Good point...and here's what else I read:
The 6th amendment guarantees your right to court: The court delays the case until the accused is caught. Besides, this is not the case; the woman cannot PHYSICALLY make it to court. Moving her will kill her.
There is no prison in Texas that would possibly be able to accomdate her. The only thing they could do would be to bar her house and only allow a nurse in and out.
That's what makes this so frustrating, there is nothing the state can do: she is going to evade punishment because of her condition. Until she drops the weight (which would require surgery endless surgeries), she can't move or be moved.  | |
|
| 800 Pound Murder Suspect will NOT be jailed???
Posted: 9/1/2008 11:38:18 AM | StellaBlue ~~
I swear, there is no malice in my post - I'm hoping she is innocent of this - but there is already EVIDENCE of blunt force to his head.
If she is truly guilty of this - she deserves to be thrown away, otherwise, if it was an accident, there should be consequences of some sort...maybe not jail - but something, right?
The mother must also be held accountable for leaving a little boy with an incapacitated person - that is child neglect...period.
Please google her name and you may feel differently.
I have no hatred towards this woman...only shock and heartbreak over the loss of yet another innocent life....children seem more unsafe than ever. Maybe I should stop watching the news. | |
|
| 800 Pound Murder Suspect will NOT be jailed???
Posted: 9/1/2008 11:42:49 AM | Isn't Texas the state that carries through with executions?
Didn't this state some years back even execute a retarded man? When they came to get him, he said he'd eat the rest of his final meal when he gets back?
Hard to imagine that if they have a case they know they can win, it would only be an ankle bracelet, regardless of the reason. | |
|
| 800 Pound Murder Suspect will NOT be jailed???
Posted: 9/1/2008 11:44:18 AM |
I completely disagree with jailing people for manslaughter.
Manslaughter is murder. Whether it be voluntary or involuntary, an act was commited that lead to the death of another person. In this case, I don't know why she would have hit her nephew, but in any case, if she did hit him and it resulted in his death, she should be put to jail... 800 pounds or not.
I like the idea of bread and water. Imagine how fast she would lose weight if she wasn't able to eat the crap that she's used to eating. Being bed ridden in her own home would have been like prison anyways, but this time, take away the TV, the phone, take away the order out menus and have a person feed her the bread and water until she is able to get out of bed on her own... then put her behind bars. | |
|
| 800 Pound Murder Suspect will NOT be jailed???
Posted: 9/1/2008 11:44:34 AM | She can't move? Then how did she stuff the baby in a microwave and cook it to death. This can be traced as to the damage done to the child, so it isn't a case of the woman not being able to move, or not being able to get around.
There are certain cases where the death penalty should be applied, and this is one of them. That baby will never grow up or be able to move around. This person is using her overweight to bypass the legal system of this country, and that should not be the case. If a regular person had done this to a baby, they would be in jail until the trial and that is what should happen to this person too. Even if they have to stuff her oversize body into the prison, and she has to sleep on the floor.
I guess the law does not appy to some people who are oversize or overweight. They can do anything.
What if she is convicted? Does she then get to stay in her HOUSE because she will not fit in a jail cell? | |
|
| 800 Pound Murder Suspect will NOT be jailed???
Posted: 9/1/2008 11:49:00 AM | JanAnn ~~
You know, I hadn't thought of that -- Yes, the state of Texas seems to be a "no B.S." kind of state -- So, if and when she's convicted, maybe there will enough protest to hold her accountable. | |
|
| 800 Pound Murder Suspect will NOT be jailed???
Posted: 9/1/2008 11:54:53 AM | Frozenrein ~~~
Yeah, she is suffering in her own body and as another poster said, all her entertainment should be removed....this may be the only way to punish her if there are laws protecting her from being "moved" since that would kill her.
Where were the laws to protect this child when he was still alive? HOW many family members knew that he was being left with this woman who was clearly unfit to care for anyone? Why did it have to come to this?
Maybe someone from Edinburg, Texas would know more than the newspapers do. | |
|
| 800 Pound Murder Suspect will NOT be jailed???
Posted: 9/1/2008 12:08:10 PM | Stella,
You need to read my comment again. I didn't say she should be put in jail.
Your comment that people shouldn't be jailed for manslaughter makes no sense to me at all. What do you suggest doing? Letting those killers run around free to kill again? Where is the justice for the victim and the family? Where is the protection for the innocent people who cross the paths of such people? If you honestly feel that it's wrong for killers to be put in jail, then maybe your town would like to accommodate them all. No? I wouldn't think so either. | |
|
| 800 Pound Murder Suspect will NOT be jailed???
Posted: 9/1/2008 12:20:59 PM | I actually hope it wasn't on purpose, and yet, if it was an accident, shouldn't she be convicted on manslaughter charges?
----------------------------------------------------------
well as sympathetic as i am to this case, if it was anaccident i cant see her being charged with anything really. punishing someone for something they didnt intentionally do or unwittingly did isnt beneficial to law or to justice. if you are so bloodthirsty why not look in your own backyard first.
if this woman intentionally did it then i agree she should be treated like anyone else.
however incarcerating someone this size would truly unfairly burden the penal system and i think her relatives should be involved in protecting others from her
at 800 lbs you arent going to go out and kill ppl
if like it said she didnt do it intentionally, i doubt manslaughter charges will assist anything, she already has to live with the grief , that should be enough and i doubt she will ever forgive herself.
If you honestly feel that it's wrong for killers to be put in jail, then maybe your town would like to accommodate them all
--------------------------------
your blanket statement calling manslaughter convicts " murderers" isnt fair
would you still call her a murderer if she did in fact roll over on the child?
would this reasoning therefore standup to new mothers who in the night roll over onto their newborns? should they be jailed?
how about to numerous other variations of the people charged with manslaughter?
your pretty black and white on this , and it isnt fair sinvce there are many variations and grey areas
| |
|
| 800 Pound Murder Suspect will NOT be jailed???
Posted: 9/1/2008 12:31:05 PM | A grand jury indicted a nearly half-ton, bedridden woman Thursday, August 22, 2008 in the death of her 2-year-old nephew. Mayra Lizbeth Rosales, 27, was indicted on one count of first-degree murder and on one count of injury to a child in the death of Eliseo Gonzalez Jr. Rosales previously had been charged with capital murder. The grand jury indicted her after a full autopsy confirmed investigators' suspicions that the child died March 18 because he had been struck. Investigators believe the toddler was struck at least twice, crushing his head. Jamie Lee Rosales, the boy’s mother and Rosales’ sister, was also arrested on a charge of injury to a child for failing to protect the boy. She was being held on $100,000 bond. Mayra Lizbeth The 20-year-old mother had signed a safety plan in April with Child Protective Services that advised her not to leave her children with her sister because of the woman’s disability.
I just read that. Struck twice doesn't seem like an accident to me. | |
|
| 800 Pound Murder Suspect will NOT be jailed???
Posted: 9/1/2008 12:32:31 PM | well as it stands right now she is not convicted of the crime ... so we have to wait and see .
I thought that texas has an expresslane for the death penalty????
she should go to the front of the line then . if in fact she did commit this horrible crime ...but until the judge sais guilty all we can do is sit and wait ...
and yes I dont believe she is able to run from anybody ... | |
|
| 800 Pound Murder Suspect will NOT be jailed???
Posted: 9/1/2008 12:32:57 PM | Whoever suggested the idea of taking away any form of entertainment is absolutely right! Let her rot away without anything but the thoughts and heartbreak of what she's done, if she even feels the tiniest bit of remorse or sorrow, for anyone other than her own fatass.
Whether or not she's trapped herself in her own cell is besides the point. She did it to herself, just like she hit the child herself. I don't give a F* if she's too handicapped to move or swing an arm, the arm of an 800lbs woman at any velocity other than still bears the impact to kill the kid, or at least move him. Whether it was the strike itself, or what happened afterward, I don't know. It seems more so like she swatted him away and he fell into something. Regardless, this woman was a risk to herself, her family, and the rest of humanity. I'm sorry, but obesity is no aleviation from murder/manslaughter/ plain and simple, the life of another human.
In closing, lock her in her room, and let her mentally rot over her own failures. If she can't move, she can't try to commit suicide? | |
|
| |
| |
Home
login 
