| Sarah Palin Flew From Texas to Alaska After Her Water Broke? Posted: 9/3/2008 10:59:10 AM | Earlier this year when Sarah Palin's son was born...she was in Texas where she was scheduled to give a speech. Before the speech, her water broke and she was having some pains. This happend prematurely.
So, when she was asked if she wanted to cancel her speech, she declined, gave the speech, then flew from Texas to Anchorage, then was driven from Anchorage to Wasilla.
She chose to travel10 hours after her water broke on a preemie infant instead of going to the hospital. What was the reason and does this display poor judgement?
motives?
1. Palin was a member of the Alaskan Independence Party in the 90's. This is a group that works to advance the cause of Alaskan Cecession from the United States. Perhaps she wanted to insure her child was born in Alaska and not Texas? Except, she could have had her child in Anchorage when she landed. Instead she chose to drive an additional 40 minutes to Wasilla, where they list their facilities as a birthing center. The Anchorage hospital delivers more babies than any other in Alaska and has a Neonatal ICU, which is important if you're having a premature baby with an underdeveloped heart.
2. Perhaps Palin was aware that her child had Down's Syndrome prior to birth? If she had given birth to the preemie on the plane, it would have certainly died before arrival. She took so many risks that don't make sense. Typically when your water breaks on a preemie birth, you are rushed to the hospital and they keep an eye on you. They don't put you on a plane and fly you 3,000 miles across the country then put you in a car for another 40 minutes.
Whatever the case.....bizarre judgement. | |
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| Sarah Palin Flew From Texas to Alaska After Her Water Broke? Posted: 9/3/2008 11:07:13 AM | I'm going to need a source for this.
It's way bizarre. Not just the behaviour, but the facts as presented. I can't imagine a woman able to give a speech while in labour. Hard to believe a fourth delivery lasting the hours neccessary to make this timeline possible. | |
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| Sarah Palin Flew From Texas to Alaska After Her Water Broke? Posted: 9/3/2008 11:15:09 AM |
Earlier this year when Sarah Palin's son was born...she was in Texas where she was scheduled to give a speech. Before the speech, her water broke and she was having some pains. This happend prematurely.
So, when she was asked if she wanted to cancel her speech, she declined, gave the speech, then flew from Texas to Anchorage, then was driven from Anchorage to Wasilla.
She chose to travel10 hours after her water broke on a preemie infant instead of going to the hospital. What was the reason and does this display poor judgement?
stuff like this without a source is pretty worthless. sounds doubtful to me. | |
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| Sarah Palin Flew From Texas to Alaska After Her Water Broke? Posted: 9/3/2008 11:20:35 AM | sorry, thought folks heard.
Tarrant County Judge Glen Whitley: He said he was at the North Texas meeting this year when Palin’s water broke. She gave her speech and then quickly left to get back to Alaska before her baby was born. He said he and others were impressed with her speech. "A lot of comments then were made to look out for her in the future. I think people will take a wait-and-see attitude with her. . . . She’s going to have to prove herself, but I think people will be surprised."
http://www.star-telegram.com/state_news/story/876326.html
From Alaskan NBC affiliate KTUU:
Just yesterday, Palin was in Texas at a forum on energy with Texas Gov. Rick Perry and executives from four other states.
The governor's water broke during the energy conference but she stayed and gave a 30-minute speech before boarding an Alaska Airlines plane home to deliver the baby.
Palin gave birth to Trig Paxson Van Palin Friday at 6:30 a.m.
No word on why Palin was so determined to make sure young Trig wasn't born a Texan.
http://startelegram.typepad.com/politex/2008/04/governors-water.html
Palin was in Texas last week for an energy conference of the National Governors Association when she experienced signs of early labor. She wasn't due for another month.
Early Thursday -- she thinks it was around 4 a.m. Texas time -- she consulted with her doctor, family physician Cathy Baldwin-Johnson, who is based in the Valley and has delivered lots of babies, including Piper, Palin's 7-year-old.
Palin said she felt fine but had leaked amniotic fluid and also felt some contractions that seemed different from the false labor she had been having for months.
"I said I am going to stay for the day. I have a speech I was determined to give," Palin said. She gave the luncheon keynote address for the energy conference.
Palin kept in close contact with Baldwin-Johnson. The contractions slowed to one or two an hour, "which is not active labor," the doctor said.
"Things were already settling down when she talked to me," Baldwin-Johnson said. Palin did not ask for a medical OK to fly, the doctor said.
"I don't think it was unreasonable for her to continue to travel back," Baldwin-Johnson said.
So the Palins flew on Alaska Airlines from Dallas to Anchorage, stopping in Seattle and checking with the doctor along the way.
"I am not a glutton for pain and punishment. I would have never wanted to travel had I been fully engaged in labor," Palin said. After four kids, the governor said, she knew what labor felt like, and she wasn't in labor.
Still, a Sacramento, Calif., obstetrician who is active in the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, said when a pregnant woman's water breaks, she should go right to the hospital because of the risk of infection. That's true even if the amniotic fluid simply leaks out, said Dr. Laurie Gregg.
"To us, leaking and broken, we are talking the same thing. We are talking doctor-speak," Gregg said.
Some airlines have policies against pregnant women onboard during the last four weeks of pregnancy, and the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists advises against flying after 36 weeks.
This was going to be Palin's last flight anyway, her doctor said.
Alaska Airlines has no such rule and leaves the decision to the woman and her doctor, said spokeswoman Caroline Boren. Palin was very pleasant to the gate agents and flight attendants, as always, Boren said.
"The stage of her pregnancy was not apparent by observation. She did not show any signs of distress," Boren said.
Palin never got big with this pregnancy. She said she didn't try to hide it but didn't feel a need to alert the airline, either.
They landed in Anchorage around 10:30 p.m. Thursday and an hour later were at the Mat-Su Regional Medical Center in Wasilla.
Baldwin-Johnson said she had to induce labor, and the baby didn't come until 6:30 a.m. Friday.
"It was smooth. It was relatively easy," Palin said. "In fact it was the easiest of all," probably because Trig was small, at 6 pounds, 2 ounces.
Palin said she wanted him born in Alaska but wouldn't have risked anyone's health to make that happen.
http://www.adn.com/626/story/382864.html
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| Sarah Palin Flew From Texas to Alaska After Her Water Broke? Posted: 9/3/2008 11:22:16 AM |
Perhaps Palin was aware that her child had Down's Syndrome prior to birth?
Not from what's on the record:
Trig was born on April 18, 2008. By the Governor's account, she and her husband were aware that Trig had Down syndrome early in the pregnancy but they chose not to abort him.
http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/religionfromtheheart/2008/09/pro_trig.html
Giving birth to a child diagnosed with Down's Syndrome outside of a hospital, as quickly as possible when labor starts, seems like a really bad idea medically.
Soon after birth all babies with Down's syndrome should be assessed for congenital heart disease by echocardiogram. They should also have auditory evoked potential testing (before age 6 months) to check for hearing loss, and also be checked for congenital cataracts and glaucoma.
Associated Conditions
Cardiological Disorders
Commonest cardiac abnormalities are:
* Atrioventricular canal defects (45%) * Ventricular septal defect (35%); * Isolated secundum atrial septal defects (8%), * Isolated persistent patent ductus arteriosus (7%) * Tetralogy of Fallot (4-6%)
Adult patients, without known congenital heart disease may develop mitral valve prolapse (46%) or aortic regurgitation (17%). A second assessment in early adulthood may be appropriate.
Haematological Disorders
* Patients have approximately 12x greater risk of infections e.g. pneumonia due to impaired cellular immunity.
http://www.patient.co.uk/showdoc/40000383/
Had he been born on that flight, it might have been a fatal error. | |
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| Sarah Palin Flew From Texas to Alaska After Her Water Broke? Posted: 9/3/2008 11:28:00 AM | I don't even want to go down that path, to even suggest that was her motive - and I doubt it was.
Perhaps her faith in God, or some other reason, might be the real reason.
I'd just want my kid to have the best chance at survival, if I already knew it was a Down's Syndrome baby.  | |
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| Sarah Palin Flew From Texas to Alaska After Her Water Broke? Posted: 9/3/2008 11:30:11 AM | | Instead of trying to criticise Palin's motives for going back to Alaska, isn't it quite possible that she really wanted to be with FAMILY and FRIENDS in Alaska for the delivery (especially if the baby died or there was a severe problem). I don't think she has relatives in Texas. Isn't this a more reasonable theory than what you suggest? | |
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| Sarah Palin Flew From Texas to Alaska After Her Water Broke? Posted: 9/3/2008 11:36:18 AM | i have no idea of what her motives were, because if my wife were 7 mos pregnant and having false labor pains...she wouldn't be flying to texas.
why? Because i have common sense and good judgement
So, I'm putting this out there because I find this story very bizarre, yet it's true, and I can't fathom a motive. I was thinking out loud.
In the end...what does it say about the judgement of someone who could very likely be president? | |
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| Sarah Palin Flew From Texas to Alaska After Her Water Broke? Posted: 9/3/2008 11:52:36 AM |
motives Perhaps Palin was aware that her child had Down's Syndrome prior to birth? If she had given birth to the preemie on the plane, it would have certainly died before arrival. this is incredibly, horribly, digustingly.... about the worse thing I have had the displeasure to read on POF
I don't give a flying fvck if you are for or against her as a candidate, but as a human to a human, WTF is YOUR humanity! | |
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| Sarah Palin Flew From Texas to Alaska After Her Water Broke? Posted: 9/3/2008 11:55:19 AM | You are really stretching on this one. I personally might have made different decisions, but I am not her. Could be Family issues Specific Doctors she wanted For Insurance purposes be in a certain network ( haha)
In the end...what does it say about the judgement of someone who could very likely be president?
I am not even going to name names...but I can think of more then a couple of Presidents that have had some crappy judgement...and they were the Presidents at the time! | |
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| Sarah Palin Flew From Texas to Alaska After Her Water Broke? Posted: 9/3/2008 11:58:30 AM | The fact is it was her actions after her amniotic sac broke that put the fetus at risk. There is a tremendous risk of infection, any woman is told to immediately go to a medical facility when this happens. I cannot imagine that she was trying for what would amount to a late term abortion, however. I think it was just a case of poor judgment. | |
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| Sarah Palin Flew From Texas to Alaska After Her Water Broke? Posted: 9/3/2008 12:02:25 PM | I especially like the picture of Governor Palin preparing to carve up a moose.
It's not a far leap of imagination to see the moose as the Democratic donkey.
Kind of prophetic
Your indirect support is much appreciated, thanks | |
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| Sarah Palin Flew From Texas to Alaska After Her Water Broke? Posted: 9/3/2008 12:05:47 PM | There is speculation that the down syndrome child is not actually hers but bristol is the mommy... and now that bristol is pregnant perhaps again, this is a shot gun wedding because she has the chance to be VP.
Ms. Palin did not inform her constituents that she was pregnant until her 7th month and no one could believe she was even pregnant... there are pics of her in the supposed 8th month where she still doesn't look pregnant. | |
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| Sarah Palin Flew From Texas to Alaska After Her Water Broke? Posted: 9/3/2008 12:20:47 PM | | Actually, one of the reasons for the "Bristol News Release" was to dispel FALSE RUMOURS that Brisol was the mother of the DS child. Bristol being 5 months pregnant proves that Sarah is the mother of the DS child. Case closed. | |
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| Sarah Palin Flew From Texas to Alaska After Her Water Broke? Posted: 9/3/2008 12:39:11 PM | If her water broke and she did not seek medical attention until hours later she definitly made a poor choice, especially being fully aware her infant would have special needs. On the other hand, labor and child birth is very emotional and stressful and she may not have thougt every thing out clearly. Perhaps she wanted her unborn child to be delivered by certain doctors because of the Down Syndrome. Motive really doesnt matter much....
Democrats: Palin makes poor decisions under pressure. Repubs : Palin is gutsy and works thru tough situations. | |
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| Sarah Palin Flew From Texas to Alaska After Her Water Broke? Posted: 9/3/2008 1:09:58 PM | Bottom line - it WAS her choice. She got to choose what she actions she took, how and when - not the pundits, not the critics, no one else. None of us were there with her - and so far - I don't see her family commenting on this thread. Beyond that - get over the past and start looking at what will happen next - with the election and the choices you need to make. Sheesh.
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| Sarah Palin Flew From Texas to Alaska After Her Water Broke? Posted: 9/3/2008 1:11:23 PM |
this is incredibly, horribly, digustingly.... about the worse thing I have had the displeasure to read on POF
I don't give a flying fvck if you are for or against her as a candidate, but as a human to a human, WTF is YOUR humanity!
my humanity? regardless of what you think of me...the woman's water broke on a preemie, and she gives a speech and then goes on a 3,000 mile flight?
Where is her humanity?
This is the truth. If you can think of a good reason to do that...let us know. I haven't heard any yet. | |
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| Sarah Palin Flew From Texas to Alaska After Her Water Broke? Posted: 9/3/2008 1:25:25 PM | There are a couple of points made in these posts that don't jibe with each other:
One posted that Palin didn't look pregnant into her 8th month.
Another that she delivered a preemie in her 7th month.
That said, I agree that these actions speak of outrageously poor judgement. I personally know of a case where a couple boarded a plane with the mother in labour in order to have the child born in Canada. The baby born is now an adult barely above vegetative status now and a continuing burden on Canada - the "parents" gave him up immediately after his condition was diagnosed. | |
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| Sarah Palin Flew From Texas to Alaska After Her Water Broke? Posted: 9/3/2008 1:30:26 PM |
This is the truth. If you can think of a good reason to do that...let us know. I haven't heard any yet. you're insinuating that a woman tried to kill her yet unborn child because he had Downs Syndrome and I'm supposed to fulfill your request to put a motive to her actions....
why don't you wait for the next edition of the National Enquirer then maybe you'll have your answer...
your post and that rag are both comparably despicable | |
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| Sarah Palin Flew From Texas to Alaska After Her Water Broke? Posted: 9/3/2008 1:38:41 PM |
I have to say that though I find the whole thing more than a little distasteful, when you see a woman who could very well be the President of the United States making what seem like some very poor choices about children, having them and educating them, it becomes necessary to ask for an explanation of her actions. | |
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| Sarah Palin Flew From Texas to Alaska After Her Water Broke? Posted: 9/3/2008 1:45:44 PM | I think that is her business and shows she is equal to a man and all men do is tell us how to act,,,Well until they have a baby let them keep their mouth shut.
If I were a man I would fight for my country{military} They are scared so doubt if they could stand the pain to have a baby} As they are so afraid of dying. | |
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| Sarah Palin Flew From Texas to Alaska After Her Water Broke? Posted: 9/3/2008 1:51:12 PM | I thought this was amusing. Sean****rham is an Alaska news reporter. Jane Swift, while identified as Massachusetts Gov. is actually a past leader who stepped down from what would have been her first time election run to the office in about 3.5 seconds when Mitt Romney told her that he was going to run instead. Jane Swift was well loved by me and many other union leaders who appreciated no end that when she was Lieut. Gov. she effed up so badly that they extended our medical leave benefits by an additional 9 (yes, you got it, 4 times the normal federal leave) months to make us shut up about her abuses. I can see why she would think S.Palin is a righteous candidate. LOL, she is probably hoping for a cabinet spot.
Republican women defend Palin SEPTEMBER 3, 2008 - 10:44 AM
From Sean****rham in St. Paul –
Republican women leaders are saying Sarah Palin is ready to be president of the United States and that attacks on her experience are sexist.
I went to their press conference at the convention hall here in St. Paul.
“She is more prepared than Barack Obama to be president of the United States,” said Massachusetts Gov. Jane Swift. “Barack Obama’s experience is running a campaign, her experience is running a state.”
A reporter asked what McCain has experience running. “He ran the largest squadron in the Navy,” responded Carly Fiorina, the chairwoman of the Republican National Committee’s Victory 2008 campaign.
Tennessee Republican Congresswoman Marsha Blackburn said inaccurately that Palin cut the budget in Alaska. “Imagine what she is going to do with the federal budget,” Blackburn said.
Palin vetoed projects that state legislators wanted, but the budget has grown during her administration.
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