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Posted: 9/5/2008 4:06:45 PM | Do people believe that "GOD" should be removed from Politics?
God is often evoked in Politics by all Candidates (whether Republican or Democratic).
1. "God Bless America" at end of Speeches.
2. National Day of Prayer in Washington, DC.
3. Swearing on the Bible when sworn into Office.
4. "In God We Trust" on Money (both Bills & Coins).
5. "One Nation Under God" in Pledge of Allegiance.
So, what do people think? Should we keep "GOD" out of Politics?
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| Should we keep God out of Politics?
Posted: 9/5/2008 4:21:28 PM | By ALL MEANS.. First, becuse if the guy really does exist, He would be suing everyone who uses his name with out any compelling porpouse, and without paying for the royalties. STOP BLAMING OR INVOKING GOD FOR EVERYTHING AND ANYTHING!! Then again, those damned lawyers would claim that, that is "anti-constitutional" Now, seriously, the guy has enough problems of his own just by seeing what WE had turned HIS creation into,(and what WE had become) that He doesn't need to be in to something as trivial as "politics" LEAVE THE GUY ALONE!! Whatever his name is.....  | |
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| Should we keep God out of Politics?
Posted: 9/5/2008 4:26:29 PM | On second thought, that would take most of the "speaches"(a.k.a. speeches) of most politicians... poor guys...and poor people that falls for it..   | |
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| Should we keep God out of Politics?
Posted: 9/5/2008 4:29:17 PM |
Do people believe that "GOD" should be removed from Politics?
Yes.. absolutely.
God is often evoked in Politics by all Candidates (whether Republican or Democratic).
1. "God Bless America" at end of Speeches.
When someone does that, I think a chorus of people should reply with Did American just sneeze? Who are YOU trying to kid?
2. National Day of Prayer in Washington, DC.
I pray myself... not in public... but I pray. If someone else wants to and it's not on the governments dimes, feel free... knock yourself out.
3. Swearing on the Bible when sworn into Office.
I'd be more comfortable if they swore on Hustler Magazine... what good does it do? All it does is make them appear to be a good person by associating themselves with God. What does that mean?
How many of them perform according to the oath of office?
If they do, it won't be because of any oath!
4. "In God We Trust" on Money (both Bills & Coins).
should be replaced with "This piece of currency probably will never again be as valuable as it is right now."
5. "One Nation Under God" in Pledge of Allegiance.
We should not have a pledge of allegiance. People shouldn't feel obligated to support someone doing something wrong in the name of our nation. Pledging allegiance makes citizens liars every time they don't support the government.
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Posted: 9/5/2008 4:40:51 PM | Stranger - Good thoughts.
However, I believe that all 5 of those examples are showing that God is still important to American Political, Economic, & Social life. Even though Church & State are separate Instituations, God is still very much a part of the American Political System. Plus, over 90% of Americans still believe in God. Most appeals to God in the Political arena are "religiously neutral" (i.e. they don't give God a specific name...e.g. Jesus, Jehovah, Allah, Buddha, Krishna, etc). So, actually there is no harm in discussing God in Politics as long as all Religions are respected.
Looking forward to more thoughts on the issue!! | |
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| Should we keep God out of Politics?
Posted: 9/5/2008 5:11:19 PM |
Church & State are separate Instituations
If only. I'm so sick to death of these flag-waving bible thumping idealogues. Their hypocrisy makes me want to puke. Adam and eve and talking snakes indeed. | |
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Posted: 9/5/2008 5:16:54 PM | Here's some Clarification:
1. CHURCH & STATE = Separate
2. MORALITY & POLITICS = Not Separate
3. GOD & GOVERNMENT = Not Separate
4. FAITH & POLITICIANS = Not Separate | |
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Posted: 9/5/2008 5:32:41 PM | | Maybe you people better let Obama know what you're thinking, because he claims to be very religious and a "born again Christian." He tends to elaborate about God fairly often, so if you don't support Christianity, what are you doing supporting a candidate who is a self proclaimed Christian, who talks about God frequently out on the stump, hmm? | |
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| Should we keep God out of Politics?
Posted: 9/5/2008 5:38:21 PM |
if you don't support Christianity, what are you doing supporting a candidate who is a self proclaimed Christian, who talks about God frequently out on the stump, hmm?
Perhaps one of the dumbest questions ever...
I am not a Christian (although I was raised by a Christian mother) and I support Barack Obama.
Nowhere is it written that only those who are Christians can vote for a Christian candidate.
George W. Bush purports to be a Christian--how's his track record in all things Christian? Not so good.
McCain is a liar--how does that fit in with his Christian values? Not so much, from all that I know about Christianity and the Bible. | |
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Posted: 9/5/2008 5:38:58 PM | The difference between the Politians & their Christian faith:
1. BUSH = Enforces God, Religion, & Morality on others.
2. OBAMA = Discusses Faith in a Pluralistic Society.
3. MCCAIN = "Private Faith should be kept Private."
4. PALIN = Pro-Life & Pro-Death Penalty (conflict). | |
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| Should we keep God out of Politics?
Posted: 9/5/2008 5:40:07 PM | Chuch and state - separate ... yes.
Use of the word "god" where it is traditionally used in our various pledges and songs ... continued - yes.
Religious preachings - including any version of the 10 commandments .. separate - yes. (Too many versions of numbering and words and too famous as a religious reading to be unlinked from religion).
Spirituality and morality - included ... inherent ... yes.
Even our Health Ed education textbooks include spirituality without including religion or god. What we know for sure is that a healthy spirit and developed spirituality leads to physical and mental health.
The purpose of religion is to support the development of healthy spirituality. Some of them have forgotten their mission and gone off with other goals.
Yes, it is possible to have a healthy and developed spirituality without the word god. Whatever is powerful enought o cause fate, coincidence, chance, luck, etc. is more powerful than me. | |
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| Should we keep God out of Politics?
Posted: 9/5/2008 5:44:38 PM | ^^^^^^^^^
Use of the word "god" where it is traditionally used in our various pledges and songs ... continued - yes.
Religious preachings - including any version of the 10 commandments .. separate - yes. (Too many versions of numbering and words and too famous as a religious reading to be unlinked from religion).
Spirituality and morality - included ... inherent ... yes.
Even our Health Ed education textbooks include spirituality without including religion or god. What we know for sure is that a healthy spirit and developed spirituality leads to physical and mental health.
The purpose of religion is to support the development of healthy spirituality. Some of them have forgotten their mission and gone off with other goals.
Yes, it is possible to have a healthy and developed spirituality without the word god. Whatever is powerful enought o cause fate, coincidence, chance, luck, etc. is more powerful than me.
What a lovely response! I agree with you all the way down the page. | |
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| Should we keep God out of Politics?
Posted: 9/5/2008 5:46:35 PM | | I still wonder (and I used to ask the question myself) about being pro-life and pro-death penalty. I think that as long as you are for the saving/sparing of innocent life under all but the most trying circumstances you can still be for the taking of demonstrably not innocent life (cleared through all DNA and otherwise relevant evidence). | |
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Posted: 9/5/2008 5:47:26 PM | "Can you really claim to be "spiritual" without GOD "
I know many who not only claim it .. they do it. Absolutely. Not only that, but without claiming to be Christians, I know many more of them whose behavior is actually Christlike .. much more so that Bush, Rumsfeld, Chaney, Palin or McCains. | |
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Posted: 9/5/2008 5:49:10 PM | | The Farther the Better.....what an invisible guy in the sky has to do with the economy, national security, better schools, better health care system, etc etc etc is beyond me... | |
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| Should we keep God out of Politics?
Posted: 9/5/2008 5:49:15 PM |
Perhaps one of the dumbest questions ever...
I am not a Christian (although I was raised by a Christian mother) and I support Barack Obama.
Nowhere is it written that only those who are Christians can vote for a Christian candidate.
George W. Bush purports to be a Christian--how's his track record in all things Christian? Not so good.
McCain is a liar--how does that fit in with his Christian values? Not so much, from all that I know about Christianity and the Bible.
No, of course it isn't written that those who aren't Christian shouldn't vote for a Christian candidate, but one must wonder why people who don't believe in God would attempt to vote in one who does. This, to me, seems stupid.
And McCain a liar? Well, that's an opinion. And you're certainly entitled to it in all of your self righteous, judgmental glory. I won't bother quoting you the "beam in your own eye, before you attempt to remove the log from your brother's" passage as I feel it would be lost on you.
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Posted: 9/5/2008 5:52:55 PM | And McCain a liar? Well, that's an opinion. And you're certainly entitled to it in all of your self righteous, judgmental glory. I won't bother quoting you the "beam in your own eye, before you attempt to remove the log from your brothers"passage as I feel it would be lost on you.
Not lost on me, at all--and you did, in fact, quote it.
And, sadly, it isn't my 'opinion'.
McCain is a liar when he says that Obama has never worked in a bipartisan manner. On this board, there are several examples of Obama and Senators from the Republican side working on bills together--isn't that bipartisan enough for McCain?
McLiar. | |
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| Should we keep God out of Politics?
Posted: 9/5/2008 5:53:14 PM | "about being pro-life and pro-death penalty. I think that as long as you are for the saving/sparing of innocent life under all but the most trying circumstances you can still be for the taking of demonstrably not innocent life (cleared through all DNA and otherwise relevant evidence)."
The person replied that they changed "thou shalt not kill" to "thou shalt not murder"
The difference between murder and kill is that if it is legal than it isn't murder. It is legal for a military person to kill people in war, even friendly fire. It is legal in some states to kill people in revenge for a crime they committed (in some cases killing not required by the criminal).
Their theory falls apart because it is legal to kill a human being in the blastophere, zygotic, embryionic or fetal stages of development. Therefore, it isn't murder. Therefore it doesn't break the commandement.
I'm still working on thou shalt not kill. One thing my daughter commented about me is that I am morally consistent. No pre-emptive strikes, no death penalty, no abortions (but yes to pregnancy prevention). | |
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| Should we keep God out of Politics?
Posted: 9/5/2008 5:57:54 PM | While I agree that Religious institutions should not have direct influence over legislation lest government be hijacked by religion I do consider it a bit obsessive and over the top to focus on eradicating the word God from every facet of government.
Perhaps it would make sense for this question about where to draw the line between religion and government to be asked as an initiative in the voting booth and let the majority draw the line. | |
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| Should we keep God out of Politics?
Posted: 9/5/2008 5:58:29 PM |
Can you be CHRISTlike without CHRIST?
^^Great question, Sydney. And I think the answer is that one can think they are being Christ-like, but without Christ one misses the boat completely and cannot achieve a state of being Christ-like without Christ. They completely miss the point, in my opinion.
We aren't saved by works. We can't "earn" salvation. It's a gift through faith. That is what Jesus came to teach us. That was the point of why he was crucified, again imo.
EPH 2:4-10, "But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places, in Christ Jesus, in order that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, that no one should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them."
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