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What policies that McCain has is better. I am trying to understand how someone can vote for McCain. Lets have a real debate about this.
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Posted: 9/11/2008 12:15:55 AM | Obama has less experience than Sarah Palin and she's running for VP. McCain is the better candidate when it comes to foreign policy, the security of the nation, decisions about war, the sovereign status of the USA, etc., in my opinion.
Also I'm pro life and am pro prayer in schools, pro "under God" in the pledge, etc. Need I say more? McCain and Sarah Palin are in line with my feelings on these issues.
I'm not in favor of encouraging illegal immigrants to come on into our nation and in fact, am in favor of limiting legal immigration. I'm for closed borders that are made extremely secure. I'm not a globalist and don't desire to sing kumbaya with the rest of the world, nor do I want to incur even higher taxes to support the Global Poverty Act and whatever other new social programs that Obama is supporting. We need to cut the ones that don't work, not create new ones.
I prefer McCain's economic policies which are more conservative. He seems to have his head on straight about energy as well, for the most part.
Obama has more to offer that I prefer in regard to the environment, wildlife concerns, green, etc. McCain and Palin can't compete well at all on these issues, which is unfortunate. It's too bad that I don't feel more secure about Obama's lack of experience to govern and command the military and it's too bad he is so pro choice.
McCain's health care policies are acceptable because the county hospital is available for those who need to use the sliding scale, low cost health care, and he's promising to make health care more affordable for all, insurance wise. I don't agree with or believe in socialized medicine.
I prefer McCain because I want someone who is tough on drugs and crime, and while I'm not pro death penalty, I believe in life without parole for those who have committed capital murder, who are a certain ongoing threat to society. I also believe in three strikes you're out for sex offenders/predators, and other crimes that are serious felonies.
Off the top of my head, that should explain why I'm for McCain/Palin.
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Posted: 9/11/2008 12:44:29 AM | Reasons why people support McCain:
1. SOCIAL CONSERVATISM & MORAL ISSUES
2. PEOPLE ARE AFRAID OF CHANGE
3. INEXPERIENCE OF OBAMA
4. UNRESOLVED RASCISM
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Posted: 9/11/2008 12:58:07 AM | I am also a Conservative, who believes in a Democratic Free Enterprise system. Obama's background, political record and choice of assoicates suggests that he is not. His record is of being the most liberal person in Congress.
Obama has already been caught being less than truthful, in my opinion, on several occasions.
As a single person, and a taxpayer, Obama has nothing to offer me. He implies that his tax cuts are for everyone making less than $250,000, but actually they are likely to be for families with children only and not for singles Many of the the so-called tax cuts will be in the form of more checks to families who do not even pay taxes and are already enjoying low income subsidies.
I make an average salary, but I am an investor so I pay taxes on Capital gains. He has already said that he is going to raise Capital Gains taxes, so I guess that applies to me. I am already doing more than my share, tax wise to support the less fortunate. I will probably be paying at the same rate as a much wealthier person, and that does not seem fair to me.
I hope that NO ONE who is single and making a low or modeate income makes the mistake of believing that they will receive any benefits from the programs he is proposing. If you listen carefully to what he is saying, he himself says it is all about "families".
I really have no use for the types of "change" Obama is offering.
I also doubt that Obama is acting as independently as you might be led to believe. If he is elected, I do not think he is the one who will really be in charge.
McCain has a much better record, and much more experience, while Obama has practiclly none.
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Posted: 9/11/2008 1:02:13 AM |
I prefer McCain's economic policies which are more conservative. He seems to have his head on straight about energy as well, for the most part.
Because I am concerned about the value of the dollar. Which used to be the standard in the world, lets see what McCain's website says about it...
John McCain's policies will increase the value of the dollar and thus reduce the price of oil. In recent years, the declining value of the dollar has added to the cost of imported oil. This will change. Americans will have a stronger economy, a stronger dollar and greater purchasing power for oil, gas and food.
The only mention of increasing the value of the dollar is by stating his policies will do it.
But there really isn't any policy on his site. Its just plans, no policy.
So to be fair, I went to the Obama website, because this place is mainly pro-Obama.
Well, so say the least, there is NO MENTION of increasing the value of the dollar, anywhere. Apparently its not that big of deal.
I prefer McCain because I want someone who is tough on drugs and crime, and while I'm not pro death penalty, I believe in life without parole for those who have committed capital murder, who are a certain ongoing threat to society. I also believe in three strikes you're out for sex offenders/predators, and other crimes that are serious felonies.
What happened to the freedom of choice? If someone chooses to smoke pot (which I do not), then why throw them in jail? If someone decides to drop acid (again, which I do not), why send them to prison? Our founding fathers used opium like it was going out of style, today we cannot. Because of some war. This country focuses to much on war and not on important things.
I'm not in favor of encouraging illegal immigrants to come on into our nation and in fact, am in favor of limiting legal immigration. I'm for closed borders that are made extremely secure. I'm not a globalist and don't desire to sing kumbaya with the rest of the world, nor do I want to incur even higher taxes to support the Global Poverty Act and whatever other new social programs that Obama is supporting.
There are a few things here. One. I encourage illegal immigration. Keeps me from wanting to do jobs that I have no desire to do. I am for however, taxing money that is sent back to whatever country. If you close our borders, you begin to tip-toe the line of what China did. They closed their borders for years. Look at their human rights record, its great.
Ok, this is what I can't figure out. You claim to be a Christian, yet your state about not wanting to sing kumbaya and lack of support for the Poverty Act shows your lack of caring for the rest of the world, which is where the Republicans suck at. Don't get me wrong, I believe in the smallest form of government, like almost non-existent, because it preforms the best.
Moreover, if McCain was as "conservative" you say when it comes to the government, we wouldn't need this...
John McCain is calling for National Commission on Workplace Flexibility and Choice.
A commission to make sure my boss is flexible with my schedule? Great, just what I need. Another government program/act telling me what I need to do with my life.
Again, where is the freedom of choice under McCain (or Obama for that matter)?
This commission is a waste of not only taxpayers money, but all of our time. So much for smaller government here.
Also I'm pro life and am pro prayer in schools, pro "under God" in the pledge, etc. Need I say more? McCain and Sarah Palin are in line with my feelings on these issues.
Yes, we know you are pro-life, your posts in the pointless abortion forum shows that. However, since when was it the government policy to shove one's personal belief on others? If people don't want to pray in school, then don't force them to pray. Which is what prayer in school does. People in this country have the freedom to not be subjected to religion in public places such as school. Just like Christians in this country think its their fundamental right to preach Jesus to everyone. Rather it be the "right" Jesus or the "wrong" Jesus.
Obama has less experience than Sarah Palin and she's running for VP. McCain is the better candidate when it comes to foreign policy, the security of the nation, decisions about war, the sovereign status of the USA, etc., in my opinion.
Yeah yeah yeah. We all know this. But who cares? Lincoln had just as much experience as Obama does. Yet, he turned out ok, I believe.
This by no way means I am supporting Obama. I think he is just as bad as McCain, and will be more than happy to break that down for lovely (non-listening) Obama Supporters. | |
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Posted: 9/11/2008 4:02:33 AM | centaur, I have the greatest respect for John McCain, but no longer do for the Republican Party in the wake of George W. (Worstever) Bush ...and I was raised in such a partisan household that I still hold dear, even if haven't always voted in accord w/ my parents. John McCain did not help himself by aligning himself w/ who I hope goes on trial in every heart and mind in America for all that he and his 'boys' cost us for the reality check that Obama has become, even if the latter cannot overcome the prejudices too deeply instilled in too many Americans to win in November. I'm still undecided, but leaning towards, "Why not Obama?" Experience isn't everything ...and especially so for what's become the status quo under GWB in Washington, DC. It's time to 'clean house' there and prosecute.
I'm sure that I'll take some flak for this, but Obama 'scared' me for how adept he is as a public speaker, and voted for Hillary during the primaries. McCain's choice of Palin scares me now, and it's not because she's a woman or hard to look at, but because she too is an unknown entity too close to possibly succeeding the oldest potential candidate ever. I respect John McCain for choosing outside the 'Washington Box', and that's why I'm still undecided. Both candidates and running mates still have to define their 'directions for all the corrections' that need to be made in the wake of one very arrogant President who catered to his father's legacy, oil-industry buddies, and their personal interests over those of the common good. Can Obama keep running on track for these? Only his persuasive skills, enough votes to let him proceed further, and time will tell for his direction. McCain's choice of Palin? The same is true for him. no? | |
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Posted: 9/11/2008 4:46:59 AM | i'm a professional political cynic and believe both parties are more or less equally full of shite. so go ahead and vote for whoever you want, see if it *really* makes any difference in the end.
the stark reality of the situation is this: you are voting for somebody to sit on the tip of the proverbial iceberg and steer it with a friggin' canoe paddle. meanwhile, the "iceberg" (a clever metaphor for the national debt and all of the accumulated fallout of previous economic/social policies that were ultimately put into play primarily for somebody's self-interest) gets bigger and heavier with every passing administration.
the only difference between all the politicians clamoring for your vote is what color is the stupid paddle, and in what direction and how fast are they gonna row that thing. 99% of the comments on this thread boil down to exactly that.
therefore i'm voting for the black JFK. if i can't have honest government, i'll take cute and charismatic. | |
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Posted: 9/11/2008 4:49:19 AM |
As a single person, and a taxpayer, Obama has nothing to offer me. He implies that his tax cuts are for everyone making less than $250,000, but actually they are likely to be for families with children only and not for singles
You do realize that it's McCain who wants to double the child tax credit? | |
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Posted: 9/11/2008 5:05:11 AM | there really isnt anything to debate,
the democratic party sponsors socialism
I prefer capatolism
who the person running is
matters not
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Posted: 9/11/2008 5:12:42 AM | ^^^ Thats not true.
One party is far right, one is not as far right.
Def not socialism. | |
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Posted: 9/11/2008 6:04:21 AM | taxing the workers to supply universal services IS socialism
but if you want look up the definition in a dictionary | |
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Posted: 9/11/2008 6:25:40 AM | So police, garbage collection, roads are all socialism are they?
Simplistic view of things much? | |
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Posted: 9/11/2008 6:36:48 AM | The Serenity prayer for neo conservatives slackers
Lord give me the strength....to deny reality,promote war,to spout far out religious concepts
the courage to work for the very people who will screw me over to get theirs
and the blessed ignorance to not Know the difference...
We now return you to American Idol and FOXed news..
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see post below
see line 2 of prayer working for the very people who will screw you over , but seriously
if you were In Iraq as a soldier thanks for your service | |
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Posted: 9/11/2008 6:48:24 AM | I would vote for McCain for a variety of reasons.For starters he is not trying to change what america was founded on, whereas Obama is nothing more than a socialist.Obama doesnt scare me he simply does not believe in America plain and simple.
Id vote for McCain for the simple fact of hes principled, whereas Obama sure doesnt seem to be, Im not even sure he believes in his own ideas, as evidenced by how many people he was tied to and has now thrown under the bus to quotea cliche.
Id vote for McCain for the simple fact of when I was in Iraq, he did try to hild up money funding the war, ie bullets and food.Where as Obama did, provided he even voted.This alone would make me vote against anyone that voted against that funding.
Id vote for McCain because he has a trail to follow as to legislation etc... And Id be willing to bet no one can name 3 things Obama has done other than utter the word "change" ,look down his nose when he talks(just look at him he always looks down his nose,and associated with a known terrorist (William Ayers (sp?).
Id also vote against Obama for the simple fact of entities like Syria,Hamas, etc... have endorsed him.Oh and that moronic comedian on the MTV video awards.Last time I checked we pick our politicians,not other countries, and Id prefer to keep it that way! | |
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Posted: 9/11/2008 6:51:19 AM | | When they talk about wealth redistribution , its socialism no matter how you want to try and paint that horse. | |
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Posted: 9/11/2008 6:52:13 AM | | no they arent socialism, but they are about all the government should have its hands in! | |
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Posted: 9/11/2008 6:55:41 AM | | Neo Conservative slackers, well tell you what ask yourself if all the handouts BO is proposing, what if 10% of the working population decided to take him up on it, and quit their jobs to lay on the system. They dont and prob wont therefore your slacker comment is a misnomer, you guys have that market cornered. | |
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Posted: 9/11/2008 7:25:10 AM | The founders of the country were pretty clear that the government of the country should be restrained in its power over the people and that is the primary purpose of government; to protect the people from foreign threat. Obama wishes to expand the impact of government over the people and run from foreign threat.
If you pay people to be poor, plenty will apply for the job. If you tax people for working, people will quite to be paid to be poor. Obama proposes exactly that policy. However this buying of votes is not his #1 issue as governments have done that for years. His #1 issue is "change".
Liberals with their subconscience guilt complex will always vote liberal. Nothing anyone says will change that as they cannot control themselves without aknowledging the guilt complex. I would prefer they not spend my tax money on their guilt. Obama serves that guilt complex both through identity and policy making him a virtual messiah. Other than that, he only has one issue and the lipstick remark directly addresses that issue:
The ISSUE with the lipstick remark concerns Obam's "change" theme: He has claimed he will bring unity to Washington. His lack of understanding or empathy with a very large segment of the population has been made very clear in the lipstick remark and his comments about guns and religion. He has no clue about this segment of the population instead implying he is somehow better than they are. From a logical standpoint, his defense of the lipstick remark has been to claim HE IS JUST LIKE MCCAIN because McCain used a similar remark earlier about a Hillary proposal although not shortly after 40,000,000 people had heard Hillary use lipstick in a speech. It's all about context thus making it a serious gaff. I don't know what Obama intended but I do know the impact he made.
I know the people who gladly embrace their guns, religion, and patriotism as I live in the middle of country where such ideals are central to society. Those that reject such ideas as somehow below them or have never even been among such ideals are clueless and arrogant to assume they can accurately characterize them. Yes, people are offended and see Obama calling Palin a pig and thorough identification with her, calling them pigs. So much for unity and his change theme. He should have apologized and moved on but since he is clueless, he has let those people he does not understand make a firestorm out of it. That alone says HE FAILS WITH HIS #1 ISSUE of changing Washington by bringing unity.
Those who support Obama because he brings "Hope" are following a messiah because that is what a messiah brings. Hope for what? Hope to spend my tax dollars on you or your guilt? | |
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Posted: 9/11/2008 7:41:17 AM | no they arent socialism, but they are about all the government should have its hands in!
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Neither is a proper functioning health system.
Not just one for the rich like America has.
Some of you get so hooked up on 1950's dogma its laughable.
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Posted: 9/11/2008 7:43:22 AM | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Now I have heard everything Obama fails for quoting an old addage.
If it weren't for short easy to understand phrases and slogans ....well cling to your ,guns ,religion,patriotism.Fine but stop falling for distractions and EDUCATE
YOURSELF ON THE ISSUES, not base your vote on distractions and sophistry.
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Posted: 9/11/2008 7:49:19 AM | McCain and Palin are giving lip service to home, hearth, family and community, etc. but what they will do is decimate any and every federal support for these, align themselves with big energy and make the government even bigger and badder as we move toward Orwellianism.
Not to worry, though, we're halfway there.
WAR IS PEACE. Half of America already is believing that as long as we are at war somewhere in the world, Eurasia or Eastasia, whatever the du jour, then that accounts for peace at home, why, we're just keeping them too darned busy over in Iraq for them to mount another attack on us.
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH .....no comment about that, except we love our soundbites, dont we. We hate it when people stop to think or heaven forbid, change their minds ....we want people who are like rocks, never changing their mind, never "flip-flopping" .... human dildos! ....because in ignorance, there is strength.
Next, FREEDOM IS SLAVERY.....Hhmmmmm......... | |
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Posted: 9/11/2008 7:58:58 AM | OP thanks for the good thread.
Let me preface this by saying that I am going to vote for McCain -but he is not my first choice for president, just my preference between who is running,
Why?
to me the question is not if we should have gone into iraq, but now that we are there now what?
I have much more confidence in McCain to make good decisions than Obama.
Like the surge, it worked, I heard Obama say it was not the surge but the assinations of the leaders. That is true, but it was the members of the surge who carried out those missions. I know becasue my son went over as a member of the surge and that was what his team did,,,
another point is McCains stance on jobs, I heard him at a rally in MI and he was talking about the jobs that were lost there. and I liked that he said those jobs ARE NOT comming back! (instead of giving false hope about them) and he said that he would expand the unemployment benefits and ADD JOB training,
and open up drilling and alternative energy methods and nuclear plants, that will create new jobs that cant go over seas.
he would cut the taxes on businesses, (i know the oil companies are bad) but did you ever question why the companies started leaving the USA to begin with? It was not all cheap labor, taxes was a pretty big part of that.
now for health care, again I dont like either one of their stands on it, but universal health care insurance really scares me! not the health care but the insurance part.
Obama said that he would tax the business who did not offer insurance to their employees (a certain percent of the payroll) and then have the employees covered by the government. I dont know where McCain is on this,, but if i dont have to be involved if i dont want to be, that is who i choose,
aside from the whole thing every thing goes up when it is insured, or when there is government backing, I do not want to be told by anybody how to regulate my health, period. There are many many people who rely on the so called "alternative" health care practicitioners, who choose not tohave health care.
now for abortion I more for Obama's way of thinking, I am pro choice,, but I also think that there should be mandatory sterilazation if a woman drinks or is a drug addict, (the man also) I dont beleive for a minutes that God wants anyone to be born in a less then healthy body -
lets see now you wnted to know why I would not vote for Obama?
he seems to be a bit disingenuous when he speaks.
the thing about nafta and then someone from his camp telling the Candians not to worry about what he said,, it was just politics.
the whole Rev Wright thing,
the Bill Ayers thing,
this last pig and lip stick thing, and even he wasn't getting a jab at Palin with the pig comment, and McCain with the fish comment - What was he thinking? I mean it looked like his audiance put it together that way,, I did when I heard him say it, and so did a lot of other people,,
so he was like a little boy who knew what he was saying was wrong but he had a good reason why it wasnt,, (like when kids first learn that a **** is a female dog,lol) or he was not thinking clearly - neither candidates words are in a vacume.
Also there is Public Allies, i am still trying to find out more information about them, but so far it doesnt sound like it is fostering coheishion in the country, fight for social justice,, lol bussed in protestors from out of town,, sort of takes away the vallidity of any issue they may be protessting,,
and to the poster who said some people might not be voting for Obama becasue he is black, why is that any raceist than people who might be voting for him becasue he is black?
please forgive any misspellings,, i did not have time to spell check,,, | |
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Posted: 9/11/2008 8:10:06 AM |
I know the people who gladly embrace their guns, religion, and patriotism as I live in the middle of country where such ideals are central to society. Those that reject such ideas as somehow below them or have never even been among such ideals are clueless and arrogant to assume they can accurately characterize them
Well said. The proof of this is in the past 2 presidential electoral maps of the states. East & west coasts, & a few more populous states are blue, while the vast heartland is painted red, even though most of those states are philosophically blue.
Why?
It IS because of the guns, religion, and patriotism themes that Obama & the left side of the Democratic party sneer at, obviously look down on, & as a result, continue to drive millions of their own faithful to the other side. These should not be an identity of either party, it should be part of BOTH platforms because they are ideals of members of both platforms.
Considering that the USA is overwhelmingly Democrat vs Republican by nearly 2 to 1, it takes nearly a full HALF of Democrats crossing the line to sustain 2 term republican presidents, or any GOP president for that matter. Same goes with Congress. In theory, democrats should ALWAYS control the presidency & congress, just by the sheer number of Democrats over Republicans.
But it doesnt happen. Why? Us moderate Democrats know the answer, but the national party STILL doesnt get it.
One example would be gun control. The National Rifle Association (NRA) is a bi-partisan group who knows no party affiliation. They support both Democrat & Republican elected officials regardless , based on 2nd amendment philosophy. They endorse or condemn candidates soley on this.
Millions of Democrats are members of the NRA, so when the party condemns the NRA with name calling, disdain, & outright venom in the best adversarial liberal fashion, they slap FELLOW Democrats so hard & alienate them so much that they gladly vote for the ones who embrace their views, & that happens to be the GOP.
When will the Democratic Party learn? How many elections will they lose before they realize this & modify their philosophy??
Obama supporters have 2 or 3 or 4core issues that are very important to them. Likewise, everyone else has their own 2 or 3 or 4 core issues that are VERY important to them, & will vote likewise, regardless of party lines.
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Posted: 9/11/2008 8:32:12 AM | To SouthernLass,
About his Foreign policy. How is his foreign policy better than Obamas. I was reading it and it is pretty much the same as Bush and as far as decisions about war. How is he better than Obama. Hasn't Obama been right about some of the major issues about this war from the start? Most people i hear say the surge. But, that wasn't the main reason why the violence went down in iraq. There are many things that happen. It also truely didn't do everything it was supposed to do.
I admit it did take down the violence. But, that has also to do with the anbar awaking and many other factors. The surge was also supposed to provide relief for the iraq political factions to help meet some requirements set by the US which still today hasn't happened. How is Obama a worse choice than McCain as far as security of the nation.
No candidate is for encouraging illegal immigrants to come into our nations. McCain isn't for limiting legal immigration. Unless i miss read his stance on that. I know you are for closed borders but it isn't possible and neither candidate is proposing that. So how can you say you will vote for McCain because you are for closed borders and he isn't for that. I dont understand that.
Actually did you know that our debt will go up higher with McCain. I actually don't mind the Global Poverty Act. That is because i am a christian though. I believe that i am my brothers keeper. Our taxes will have to go up regardless. Because of the last 8 years and this war and our debt that is growing. We have to pay this off an oru children if we continue this same path.
What about McCain energy policies do you like? The drilling? The nuclear power plants? I actually don't think he is bold enough on this issue. I can go further into his plan if you like.
Can i honestly ask you this... I think the state of our nation is bigger than pro choice and pro life but this is a free country an this is why i love it. I respect your view on that. I also don't agree that if a woman is raped that she should be forced to carry the child. I don't believe abortion. I also think that we should be trying to education our women and men to stop unwanted pregnancies. Better sex education and open lines of communications. Other wise we will continue this cycle. That is something obama believes and i agree with him on that.
McCain health care policies in my opinion really does suck lol. The tax credit doesn't help me. I love how it is run in france actully that anyone can go in off the street and get taken care of. Though they pay a little higher taxes than we do but i wouldn't really mind that knowing that the least of us are taken care of. They have a great medical care system.
What do you mean tough on drugs and crime. Do you think that Obama administration will let drugs and crime go ramped. The reason it is getting worse in my area and maybe yours is because unemployment is so high. Being tough on drugs isn't just our president responsibility. Even though they are bias on what drugs they are toughest on and that is another debate within itself. But it is our responsibility. | |
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Posted: 9/11/2008 8:36:44 AM | Where do I start...Rabid run amuck environmentalism? Maybe global cooling/global warming/climate change/chicken little crowd? A biased Media that just can't tell the truth and relies on blog rumors to do their investigating for them? Universities and schools that endoctrinate, discourage free thought, and can't teach regardless of how much money they get? Unions and regulations that makes it hard for American companies and schools to compete? I could go on for hours just ripping the lid off one can of worms after another...let alone discussing each can opened. One thing all those cans of worms have in common is the left side of political thought and includes failure and hardship to the citizens our country.
I was raised in and did my time on the left...and was an active participant. Then the crazies took over and I started my long and slow move to the right. I've been paying close attention to politics, news, world events, the internet (yippee) all my life and feel like I do know a little something...but not everything. Personally I wouldn't want anyone to rely on what I say. They need to make up there own mind about how they feel and what they think...which is not too well accepted on the left.
I'm in the lets take care of and worry about America first crowd...there's actually alot more of us than you'd think.
I'm not real fond with the line of thought that blames America first and worries what polar bears are going to think. I don't expect anyone to understand where I'm coming from...either they will or they won't. Once again I am speaking about the left.
As much as they want to make it about Obama...he actually has very little to do with it. He's just the lip stick on the pig! | |
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