| taliban and canadian elections
Posted: 9/12/2008 9:48:15 AM | | The taliban have released a statement,about canadian elections,declaring that our next choice of government,could result in more deaths for canadians(they recently murdered 2 aid workers).how do you think,we should deal with terrorist groups trying to hijack the democratic process through fear? | |
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| taliban and canadian elections
Posted: 9/12/2008 10:12:32 AM | "The taliban have released a statement,about canadian elections,declaring that our next choice of government,could result in more deaths for canadians(they recently murdered 2 aid workers).how do you think,we should deal with terrorist groups trying to hijack the democratic process through fear? "
considering that so far we mostly have dropped bombs on them, this is kind of a moot point, is it? while my deepest sympathies go out to the aid workers, asking an illiterate Afghani to distinguish between aid workers helping them and soldiers shooting at them is going to be sort on unproductive.
if you want them to stop murdering aid workers maybe we should start talking to them and see if we can come up with a peaceful solution or at least an amnesty for aid workers, although letting your enemies aid workers come to your villages seems kind of counterproductive from their point of view.
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| taliban and canadian elections
Posted: 9/12/2008 10:20:10 AM | Wow, this is a record. A thread hijack attempt on the very first post on the thread. Way to try to turn this post around and ignore the question at hand.
"The taliban have released a statement,about canadian elections,declaring that our next choice of government,could result in more deaths for canadians(they recently murdered 2 aid workers). how do you think,we should deal with terrorist groups trying to hijack the democratic process through fear? "
""how do you think,we should deal with terrorist groups trying to hijack the democratic process through fear?""
This is a valid question, since terrorists use this tactic globally all the time. Italy, Spain, Indonesia, Australia, France, U.S.A.
What typically happens is you have one camp that says, this is bad and we should fight and defeat terrorists.
The other camp says that terrorists attack us, because we are defending ourselves, and if we just stop defending ourselves, the terrorists will stop attacking.
Sad logic really and very defeatist. It's very hard to fight terrorism when almost half the country has been brainwashed to believe that defending ourselves causes terror.
The best way to deal with terrorists trying to hijack democracy is to confront and fight it, and not let it change your drive to support democracy.
Comes down to a very old and simple question to ask yourself.
rhetorically speaking...
Are you a Man or a Mouse?
A Man will stand up and fight for his family, country and beliefs in freedom.
A Mouse will gladly give up freedom to appease terrorists and dictators.
When confronted with terrorists with this agenda,
Which are YOU???
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| taliban and canadian elections
Posted: 9/12/2008 10:22:30 AM | I'm pretty sure the Taliban are killing as many Americans as they can already in Afghanistan.
The other camp says that terrorists attack us, because we are defending ourselves, and if we just stop defending ourselves, the terrorists will stop attacking.
Hey look! A straw man.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[1] To "set up a straw man," one describes a position that superficially resembles an opponent's actual view, yet is easier to refute, then attributes that position to the opponent. For example, one might deliberately overstate the opponent's position.[1] While a straw man argument may work as a rhetorical technique -- and succeed in persuading people --it carries little or no real evidential weight, since the opponent's actual argument has not been refuted.[2]
Do they say stop defending themselves? I challenge you to find a quote that says that... or do they say have a dialog? maybe stop invading foreign countries? | |
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| taliban and canadian elections
Posted: 9/12/2008 10:34:35 AM | Huge difference between the Taliban and indigenous Afghani people.
As for dropping bombs,perhaps you should educate yourself about the canadian military's role in Afghanistan before stating your opinion.
I am not from Toronto.Canada is a larger land mass then the U.S,we have many cities.
Decades of war and religious tyranny have left the country without infrastructure or education.To not provide aid,and aid workers would be tantamount to genocide on a scale that would make the human cost of war seem insignificant.
The murdered aid workers had no affiliation to the Canadian military,nor were they an arm of the Canadian government.
I most likely made an error by not postintg on a Canadian part of the site.
This thread is about terrorist groups trying to influence the outcome of an independant nations elections. | |
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| taliban and canadian elections
Posted: 9/12/2008 10:58:35 AM | how do you think,we should deal with terrorist groups trying to hijack the democratic process through fear?
we IGNORE there little threats!
say we did give in on this and say ok,and they get what they want,,,,whats next?Sharia law?all women in Canada wearing a burka?or do we let them over take Aphganistan again ??What about the people over there???What about teh sacrifice already?? | |
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| taliban and canadian elections
Posted: 9/12/2008 11:26:14 AM |
This thread is about terrorist groups trying to influence the outcome of an independant nations elections.
Just ignore the thread highjackers. The usual suspects in the forums have their own agenda, and basically swoop down on threads they don't like to derail them. Ignoring these guys works, if they get to snippy, just contact a moderator and inform them of the hijack rule violation.
It is interesting when thinking about the mindset of scumbags that commit terrorist acts to change the outcome of a democratic election.
It worked extremely well in Spain. You had that vicious attack just before the election, and it definitely had an impact. Unfortunately, the Spanish population showed fear instead of courage. They elected a leader that appeased the terrorists and gave in to their demands.
This can only encourage more terrorism. They can smell weakness and will exploit it.
So, one would think that you cannot show, or give into, Fear.
The only thing that can fight this tactic is Courage and Strength.
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| taliban and canadian elections
Posted: 9/12/2008 11:36:14 AM |
It worked extremely well in Spain. You had that vicious attack just before the election, and it definitely had an impact. Unfortunately, the Spanish population showed fear instead of courage. They elected a leader that appeased the terrorists and gave in to their demands.
Oh Lordy. Do some people really believe this nonsense?
I'm going by memory here, but I clearly remember that the Spanish people were pissed that the government tried to turn the attack to partisan advantage. They tossed out the ruling party when they tried to take a page from Bush's playbook. | |
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| taliban and canadian elections
Posted: 9/12/2008 11:43:56 AM | Sorry Sanderick thats a thread hijack the spaniards did not vote out their govt because of the attack. The spanish were already pissed off for the govt taking them into iraq and the govt lies after the attack. But this a whole other thread.
However what should you do? Did the Taliban say which party to vote for? If not its a pointless question anyway. But anyway you do what any good democrat does you vote according to your concience and who you think is best suited to telling you what to do and what is right or wrong for the next few years where can you can do it again. In between do as you are told and obey whatever laws they pass  | |
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| taliban and canadian elections
Posted: 9/12/2008 12:16:21 PM | The terrorists had been calling for Spain to remove their troops from the multi-national coalition in Iraq.
The Zapatero of the Socialist party of Spain said that if elected that would be the first thing he would do.
The bombing in Madrid fueled a record turnout of voters of 74%.
When Zapatero was elected his first task was the removal of troops from the coalition.
While some deniers may call this nonsense, it is all FACT.
(look it up, there are only about a thousand articles that talk about the Madrid attack)
To whatever degree, a terrorist attack will have some kind of impact on an election.
I am curious to hear an answer to the OP's question, from Canadians. Given that the terrorists are threatening to Kill more Canadians.
The taliban have released a statement,about canadian elections,declaring that our next choice of government,could result in more deaths for canadians(they recently murdered 2 aid workers).how do you think,we should deal with terrorist groups trying to hijack the democratic process through fear?
OP's Question:
How should Canadians should deal with terrorist groups trying to hijack the democratic process through fear?
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| taliban and canadian elections
Posted: 9/12/2008 12:42:19 PM |
How should Canadians should deal with terrorist groups trying to hijack the democratic process through fear?
Ignore them. | |
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| taliban and canadian elections
Posted: 9/12/2008 2:54:56 PM | "how would you feel if they started sending aid workers to Toronto?"
Pretty dam good if the government here had been tossing gays off rooftops, banning music, banning kite flying, making me practice their religion and banning my mother, my daughters, my wife and my female friends from an education.
I would welcome them with open arms. | |
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| taliban and canadian elections
Posted: 9/12/2008 6:14:14 PM | Hijack and obfuscation of the truth, yes the terrorists called for Spain to remove their troops yet you forget to mention the protests in Spain before the invasion not to go in to Iraq, long before the terrorists even thought about Spain. Well muslim ones anyway ... Mustn't forget about the ETA. You forget over the water, a lot of European and other countries have been living and coping with terrorism long before 9/11. What do you have against Spaniards and Spain whatever? Whatever you think or have been told the Madrid bombing was not capitulation of Spain to terrorism.
In essence you do what you can to prevent it, but don't let it affect how you think or believe nor should it affect the actions you take in accordance with your own beliefs. | |
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| taliban and canadian elections
Posted: 9/12/2008 6:37:07 PM | I think it is worth beefing up security on all major transportation systems before the elections. Terrorists bombed a train in Spain 3 days before their elections one year, and it changed the majority to vote for the other party. So they have the ability to influence elections by careful choices of what things to bomb just before an election. So far, they've gone for planes in America, the underground trains in the UK, and the overground trains in Spain. I guess they might try something similar in Canada, so it's worth spending the extra on extra security.
The other thing that the Canadian political system could do is for all Canadian political parties to agree to a security policy that ALL parties will stick to, before any elections have been held, so that whichever party gets in, the terrorists will have the same treatment. That way, they have nothing to gain by attacking Canada. | |
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| taliban and canadian elections
Posted: 9/12/2008 6:45:07 PM | lmao
I think the Taliban have quite enough on their plates to keep them busy. A threat like that is just talk. At this point they have bigger fish to fry than the Canadian election--especially since Canadians are there as relief not with the purpose of hunting and routing the Taliban.
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| taliban and canadian elections
Posted: 9/12/2008 6:59:54 PM | sanderick - you need to stop hijacking this thread with talk of spain.
What do we do in Canada to avoid the "threat" the taliban is sending our way with regard ti Canadian elections?
1) ignore the threat and vote as you wish
2) withdraw troops | |
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| taliban and canadian elections
Posted: 9/13/2008 9:43:06 AM |
Just ignore the thread highjackers. The usual suspects in the forums have their own agenda, and basically swoop down on threads they don't like to derail them. Ignoring these guys works, if they get to snippy, just contact a moderator and inform them of the hijack rule violation.
Apparently pointing out logical fallacies is "thread hijacking" I guess that counts as an ad Hominem right there.
This can only encourage more terrorism. They can smell weakness and will exploit it.
Inaccuracy of your description of the Spanish election aside, does anybody know if more terrorist attacks were in fact encouraged on Spanish targets? Or did pulling their troops out of Iraq in fact end further attacks? | |
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| taliban and canadian elections
Posted: 9/13/2008 10:36:43 AM | I brought up Spain, because it has a clear parallel to what the OP has asked. It's not a "hijack", it's providing an example of a previous occurrence of a terrorist attack that had an impact on elections, and results that followed.
People that don't know their history, are doomed to repeat it.
If Canadians face the same challenge, why would you ignore history? Unless you chose ignorance.
This can only encourage more terrorism. They can smell weakness and will exploit it.
Yes, capitulation and weakness will be exploited to control the government and it's people.
does anybody know if more terrorist attacks were in fact encouraged on Spanish targets? Or did pulling their troops out of Iraq in fact end further attacks?
Yes, it did end further attacks. Proof that if you don't want to get attacked, all you have to do, is what the terrorists ask you to do, and you won't get attacked.
The taliban have released a statement,about canadian elections,declaring that our next choice of government,could result in more deaths for canadians(they recently murdered 2 aid workers).how do you think,we should deal with terrorist groups trying to hijack the democratic process through fear?
Given that Canadians face this same challenge, what will they do?
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| taliban and canadian elections
Posted: 9/13/2008 12:05:19 PM |
Given that Canadians face this same challenge, what will they do?
We will stay the course. They already have mentioned us for special treatment, been going on for a few years now.
Just like in WW2 , there were those who wanted to throw the towel in then too. We did not do it then, and will not now. The right thing to do, is be there and finish the job our soldiers have been working on for a long time now.
Just ignore them, fight them when we can. | |
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| taliban and canadian elections
Posted: 9/13/2008 12:05:20 PM | More bullshit, Spain did not vote their govt out because of fear of more terrorist attacks they voted them out because they didn't think they should have gone into Iraq in the first place and the govt ignored the protests, also the way the govt reacted after the Madrid bombs. You fail to mention there have been terrorist attacks in Spain long before 9/11 and the long before the Madrid train bombing. There have been attacks since too have you ever heard of ETA? Do you know anything of the politics of Spain? The Spanish people were angry at their govt for lying to them about who committed the atrocity, again do you know who ETA are? What is more to point there are still Spanish soldiers in Afghanistan. You could google it but I suspect you have already made your mind up and don't want any inconvenient facts to get in the way.
But back on track I think Canadians will treat the threats with the contempt they deserve. | |
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| taliban and canadian elections
Posted: 9/13/2008 12:36:38 PM |
You fail to mention there have been terrorist attacks in Spain long before 9/11 and the long before the Madrid train bombing.
You fail to stay "on track" with trying to make this about the ETA. None of those attacks directly relate to THIS threads topic. This is about what the Canadians will do. This is not about the ETA. If your so fired up about the ETA, start your own thread on it. I mentioned only the specific attack which directly relates to the OPs question.
Again,
Those who don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
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| taliban and canadian elections
Posted: 9/13/2008 7:59:59 PM |
Canadians are there as relief not with the purpose of hunting and routing the Taliban.
This is an incorrect statement.
The Canadian military is combatting the Taliban and Al Qaeda insurgents, as part of the NATO forces.
Our troops are fighting in the Kandahar region, the most active area in the country for terrorist attacks.
AS far as the OP goes, we must not pay any attention to the rantings of these criminals. They will continue to murder in the name of their cause, regardless of any election outcome. The blood they shed is often that of their own people.
It will be a cold day in hell before I listen to the threats of homicidal zealots telling me how I should live my life in my land of freedom and democracy. | |
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| taliban and canadian elections
Posted: 9/13/2008 9:49:18 PM | I just hope that none of our political parties, would run on bringing our troops home now as an election issue, because of these threats.
It is a NATO lead mission. So until NATO say it is over. Keep our men over there. | |
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