| America gets a cold and Canada has to pay the doctor's bill??
Posted: 9/14/2008 9:04:18 PM | When did Canada officially become an American state? When Mulrooney signed the SPP section of NAFTA or does it go back further?
The last time I looked the price of oil sat at $111.00/barrel down from what, $129? $140? And the price of gas doesn't drop one cent. Then all of the sudden a hurricane hits the gulf coast and the price goes up once more. I realize the have thier refineries on the gulf coast and they could get hurt but why should we be made to pay for it?
This is an old standard policy that has been used everywhere else and now it seems to be Canada's turn. At the same time there is a $78 billion US surplus sitting in Iraq.
And never mind the people in New Orleans who still haven't got their homes back.
What's your take on this sham? | |
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| America gets a cold and Canada has to pay the doctor's bill??
Posted: 9/14/2008 9:11:59 PM | The American fantasy of effectively controlling Canada is encouraged by the enhanced value of Canada's massive tar sands oil reserves. Now that updated technology and oil prices have made the extraction of this oil more feasible, Canada's oil reserves are now seen as perhaps the second largest holding of oil reserves in the entire world. And these reserves are right on the doorstep of the United States, a fact that is very significant to U.S. security planners."
Actually, the US doesn't have to annex, or invade Canada for oil, or any other commodity. The so called free trade agreements, with the exception of Mexican oil in the NAFTA, nail down that the flow, or export of any commodity crossing the borders has to be fully maintained to the last drop, with the full cooperation of our governments. This means that when oil, natural gas, or any other resource starts running out, no Canadian government will be able to save the remainder for its own citizens. This is binding to any level of government, without exceptions.
I find this very interesting. | |
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| America gets a cold and Canada has to pay the doctor's bill??
Posted: 9/15/2008 12:49:57 AM |
I realize the have thier refineries on the gulf coast and they could get hurt but why should we be made to pay for it?
Because we will pay it. We're caught in a trap and they know it.
This is an old standard policy that has been used everywhere else and now it seems to be Canada's turn.
Eventually rape pillage and plunder will come to your door when all the other rooms have been emptied.....continuing to have a fossil fuel based economy only exasperates the problem.
The American fantasy of effectively controlling Canada is encouraged by the enhanced value of Canada's massive tar sands oil reserves. Now that updated technology and oil prices have made the extraction of this oil more feasible, Canada's oil reserves are now seen as perhaps the second largest holding of oil reserves in the entire world. And these reserves are right on the doorstep of the United States, a fact that is very significant to U.S. security planners."
It's not a fantasy...determined reality is what they seek. It takes the equivalent of 2 units of energy to produce 1 unit of oil energy. The tar sands are only viable when the price of oil is high. Trouble is, other forms of energy (used to extract oil from sand) are increasing in price, thus $60 -$70 per barrel is no longer the benchmark to turn a profit. The price of oil must be kept high in order for the oil sands to stay viable. That's where the security planners step in...suck up as much foreign as possible before sucking your own...(despite what the rhetoric is)..."drill here...drill now"...is utter bullshit...consuming 25% of daily supply while have 3% of total world reserves...they'd be tapped out within a few years...end result...ZERO security. The only arsenal they'd have left is bombs. Most oil is traded in USD. It costs money to trade different denominations into USD in order to buy (or sell) oil. That cost is a profit to USD. So, when a country decides to trade their oil for something other than USD, the US gets mightily pissed off...hence Iraq...and now Iran.
Actually, the US doesn't have to annex, or invade Canada for oil, or any other commodity.
Indeed! There is an agreement whereby the water reservoirs of the US side of the Columbia River must be filled before the reservoirs Canadian side can be.
If it came to choices, I'd rather see the Americans take our oil than our water...for when the crunch comes down...you can't drink nor feed your crops oil... | |
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| America gets a cold and Canada has to pay the doctor's bill??
Posted: 9/18/2008 7:13:48 PM | Alberta's tar sands are very costly as well as being hard in the water supply there. But you must have notice how the price od a barrel of oil hit $92 the other day and yet the price at the pumps only increased. America has a history of making other countries pay for their woes for them as in the latest hurricane to hit the gulf coast.
In Canada, as long as the people have lots of work they don't complain. Not until a the economy gets rough.
Try this: Google the SPP. That was the part of the NAFTA deal that Mr. Bulloney signed for us that gave America the right to our resources and our own cost. Meaning we will freeze or go thirsty before America does. Mexico by the way refused to sign such a deal. And optimists still say it is bad to talk negative things. Wait til they are hungry and job/home less.
Unfortunately the truth is sometimes negative. | |
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| America gets a cold and Canada has to pay the doctor's bill??
Posted: 9/18/2008 7:29:58 PM | The price of oil we pay is not entirely connected to US, though a $ up down may have an effect.
The biggest culprit here is the oil cartel which dictates the amount of production and thereby sets a price for bid which has gone up since India and China now are big into the game.
Our refining capacities are limited and much of our production comes back from the US.
Really the price at the pump is dictated by the multinational oil corporations and despite laws against price fixing here we see the same price at almost every station and moves up or down happen within minutes.
Why is that? Simple our governments collect about 30+ % of what we pay for gas in taxes and every increase in gas price means more taxes, hence there is no political will to change that unless we as the public force the government to do something and that would take measure short of revolution.
Events such as the recent hurricane are just the oil companies eager grab for more. If there was any real need it would hit us month later after the reserves were used up, that is not the case so greed is the only answer. | |
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| America gets a cold and Canada has to pay the doctor's bill??
Posted: 9/18/2008 8:23:46 PM | Well......
To put it mildly, people are controlled and manipulated like mice in a maze.....
The only reason gas is so high is because we'll pay it, simple.
It's all about money, corporate control, media control and power....
The hurricane of course was an excuse, if it there had'nt been one, another excuse would've been made.....it's blatent and arrogant......but very typical.
As for New Orleans.......
I feel very bad for the people that suffered so much there, the current administation showed exactly how racist and incompetent they are with their response.....
Having said that though.......why on earth would they rebuild on land below sea level and prone to bad weather.........slow learners I guess. | |
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| America gets a cold and Canada has to pay the doctor's bill??
Posted: 9/19/2008 6:20:34 PM | The point I am trying to make is how WE, Canada are paying for America's woes, ei:
disasters, hurricanes (that may or may not damage thier refineries off the coast of Texas) etc etc. Under NAFTA Canada must supply America with our resources. It was called the SPP agreement. Canada shares it's natural resources with America. The agreement states that Canada will share all of it's resources to supply America's appetite. Even as we run out of water and all other resources for ourselves America will still be drinking our water and using our oil and gas. They come before us.
I want to know how the rest of Canada feels about this Maybe I have to rewrite this thread. | |
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| America gets a cold and Canada has to pay the doctor's bill??
Posted: 9/19/2008 7:00:02 PM | I realize your quest for answers op.......I'd be hard pressed to believe they have a right to our water before us.......Oil of course is a free market commoddity
Our economy is so very tied to our neighbours to the south....
As Michael Cambell said yesterday......we are an export nation and our biggest customer is the US.
If their economy goes in the tank and everyone stops buying things, including our products......we do suffer with layoffs etc....
Time will tell how this latest American disaster in the financial arena will play out.....and it will play out with some affect on us.
As for natural disasters etc......
Alot of our underwriters also underwrite for US insurance companies, hence whatever ever happens elsewhere, we could end up holding the bag....
Do you remember the massive chemical spill in India 20 odd yrs ago??......We as homeowners here in Canada had our premiums go up to help pay for the thousands of lawsuits filed against against that company responsible.
It is a global as well as local issue......
A very small world these days.....seems anything that happens anywhere is a great excuse/ reason to up our premiums / costs........ | |
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