| | Sarah's Law Gives Mothers Right To Make 'Sex Checks' !!Page 1 of 9 (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9) | Moves to give single mothers the power to check whether new partners are sex offenders could encourage malicious campaigns against innocent men and drive paedophiles underground, the Home Office has been warned.
The scheme is being launched in four areas initially , with a view to extending it nationwide. Ministers said the initiative would help to protect children, but critics warned they could prompt vigilante attacks.
Mothers concerned about a new partner will be able to register their concerns with police who will run an initial check within 24 hours followed by a more detailed investigation into a man's background taking up to 10 days. If he is found to be a convicted sex offender, the mother will be warned and given advice on protecting her children.
James Welch, the legal director of Liberty, added: "The threat of prosecuting the concerned mum who tells her neighbour is unenforceable nonsense."
Jacqui Smith, the Home Secretary, said the pilots were a "huge step forward". She said: "I want to see every child living their lives free from fear."
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/sarahs-law-gives-mothers-right-to-make-sex-checks-on-partners-930853.html
Your views on the pros and cons of this please................
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AlmaM
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Posted: 9/15/2008 2:46:00 AM | I think Sarah's Law should be implemented into the whole UK.. and I also think it is too mild compared to Megan's Law in US where you just type in your post code into a public website and find out all the people who are dangerous to children in your area.
And I am asking why not?
Why not name all the offenders?
I do not feel any sympathy for them, they should have thought about their future life and rights before they have caused offense to the children ! | |
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Posted: 9/15/2008 2:48:27 AM | I am all for this
When my daughter was a baby, i started dating a bloke and we were together for 4 months before social services turned up on my doorstep telling me i was practically living with a sex offender, he never touched my daughter thank god but if something like this had been available i wouldnt have unknowingly put my daughter in danger | |
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Posted: 9/15/2008 2:53:08 AM | | I'm all for it my children are my main concern and I would want to protect them anyway I can , I would be more inclined to move forward with a guy if I knew he wasn't a threat to my children!! | |
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Posted: 9/15/2008 2:53:13 AM | I personally welcome the right for the "parent" to check on their new partners as long as I can also run a police check in return !!
I.e
Past convictions for Bunny Boiling.
A history of violence .
Drugs Mis-use.
I wonder how many new relationships will fail because a "trust" has been put to the test and questioned? | |
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AlmaM
| | Joined: 3/20/2008
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| Sarah's Law Gives Mothers Right To Make 'Sex Checks' !!
Posted: 9/15/2008 3:10:18 AM |
I.e
Past convictions for Bunny Boiling.
A history of violence .
Drugs Mis-use.
I hope you are joking 
We are talking here about people who ABUSED CHILDREN and got convicted for doing so, right?
Do not you think this is VERY serious compared to family violence, and odd characters within the women population ? | |
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Posted: 9/15/2008 3:36:26 AM | It would appear Sarah's law actually goes further than just dealing with 'new partners'. It actually covers ANYONE who will have unsupervised access to children. This will include friends, family, babysitters even the next door neighbour if your kid goes round to play with theirs and you do not go with them.
Personally I feel if the law works in the pilot areas it should be rolled out across the country. Anything that protects innocent children has to be a good thing.
If someone objects to there being a chance they will be checked up on then they have a choice. Keep away from kids. Don't let the neighbours kids in to play with yours.
If you have nothing to hide - what is there to fear. It's a sad state of affairs that this law has had to be brought in to begin with.
As for driving paedophiles underground, well they don't advertise anyway. If my kid was young I'd want to know if there were known sex offenders in the vicinity.
Paedophiles/sex offenders should have it branded across their foreheads as a warning to all parents/children. They are the lowest form of human life. I don't care if they are sick, have mental issues or supposedly reformed.
We try our best to protect our kids, warn them about known dangers, teach them to deal with busy roads, to take care near water, not to run up to strange dogs - without a law like Sarahs law we don't know where the risk lies and cannot protect our kids or teach them to protect themselves. | |
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Posted: 9/15/2008 3:46:55 AM | I can see so many flaws in a system which becomes so over protective such as this one. As much as i welcome the idea of knowing who are the wrong uns in your area its the access to such information which disturbs me, i would just like to say before i go on that i know all too well the horrors of child molestation and what it can do to your family, thankfully he was caught and is still serving a long sentence.
There was an instance a few years ago where a sex offender moved into an area and it was made public, through both the local papers and television news. Rightly so the local community were up in arms over this and voiced their opinions, some a little stronger than others, to the point where a persons business was attacked because the sign outside said PAEDIATRICIAN, i suppose some dumb idiot thought that was the day job of a paedo. Idiot.
What i am trying to say is the control of such information needs to be a stern one, yes its there to protect people and if you had any doubts about a partner it would be good to know, but what if you was wrong ? Would you be able to handle the guilt of having such doubt in the first place ?
The way we go on in todays society there would be hangings at high noon in no time, people would hear about so and so at number twenty who had her fella checked out, before you know it he is guilty as charged under the laws of chinese whispers and vigilantes would be out in force dealing with him.
Sarah's law was set up for all the right reasons, i just hope the government think long and hard about the implications of what might happen if all their information got into the wrong hands....... | |
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Posted: 9/15/2008 3:47:58 AM | I think it's a great idea. After all, if the police made a mistake (which of course they never do) and erroneously advised that a perfectly innocent man was a convicted child abuser, they would do everything to ensure all resultant damage to reputation, attacks and life ruination were put right. Oh yes indeedy.....
Also, I think the point about back checking for all questionable past behaviour and/or convictions is a valid one. It's the principle of the action, not exclusively the abhorrence of a particular crime. I understand the sensitivity of the matter but in the case of child abuse, the conception is that 'a leopard can never change it's spots', could the same be said of an individual who in the past had committed a crime, domestic violence for example and they can always be considered a partner beater?
It would be good to know if you're making a mistake before the mistake manifests itself. | |
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Posted: 9/15/2008 3:52:20 AM | Well I thinkt he right to checkon anyone who has regular unsupervised access to your children is in theory a good idea. However it is open to abuse, and lies to be told.
I am not in favor of Sarah's law, in terms of it being comparable to Megans law. I am a parent, but I would far rather the police know where a sex offender lives, and what he is doing rather than lose him off the police radar because he has gone to ground.
Making is public knowledge where children are is never going to be a good idea. The ignornat masses in this country cannot be trusted not to adopt a vigilante mentality and hound the offender out of their town. That only has to happen once for the offender to assume a different ID and no longer register with police. It has been seen dozens of times before and innocent people have been beaten up or killed because of mistake identity or town rumors. Even a paediatric doctor was targeted because some numpty didn't realise the difference in words 
Im a mother, do I want to know where peadophiles are in my neighbourhood? Yes of course I do. Do I want Sarahs law? No, because although I am not stupid enough to hound a paedophile underground, there are hundreds who would do so without thinking of the consequences. | |
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Posted: 9/15/2008 4:04:22 AM | Although I agree with it , it would'nt sit right with me personally that someone has not trusted me enough to have done a check.
Part of me is saying its great news that the children will be protected better but another part of me is saying on a personal level "why the fook has she done a check, does she not trust me " ???
I think I would feel insulted that my character has been in question and that a certain amount of trust has been broken.
I would probably re-evaluate and re-think the future of any possible relationship where my character and morals have been checked upon.
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Posted: 9/15/2008 4:26:36 AM | | The problem i would have with it mac is the police/state not making feck ups etc how many times have we read about mistakes with i.d etc then what would happen to an innocent mans life? remember mud always sticks, like being accused of rape. | |
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Posted: 9/15/2008 4:28:31 AM | | I totally agree with you Macforty as i would feel the same way if it was the other way round. I am very funny about people being around my son as you hear so many horror stories. Its difficult to find a balance as it makes you wonder how far you should go in order to protect your kids. I can see the pros and cons on both sides to be honest. | |
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Posted: 9/15/2008 4:31:56 AM | Another thought is this- CRB checks are cureently pieces of paper with anything the person has done printed on them. I am assuming the new law will do the same.
I wonder how easy it would for a paedophile to make or get hold of a fake paper to show they have been checked in order to get close to a mother or neighbour with children. | |
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Posted: 9/15/2008 4:33:40 AM |
I think I would feel insulted that my character has been in question and that a certain amount of trust has been broken.
I would probably re-evaluate and re-think the future of any possible relationship where my character and morals have been checked upon.
But would you be notified that you'd been checked up on? Sure, if you had something to hide and it came to light, you'd know because the relationship would end abruptly and you might have an angry mob outside your house. But, being of impeccable character, how would you know if your past exploits had been subject to a check? | |
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Posted: 9/15/2008 4:34:00 AM | | MACFORTY i think ppl with kids would go to any lengths to keep there kids safe and if i ment loseing a man because he felt violated and hurt that his new woman wanted to do a check on him then thats his loss. | |
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Posted: 9/15/2008 4:41:32 AM | But, being of impeccable character, how would you know if your past exploits had been subject to a check?
Good point, and how would they communicate that information ?
Also whats stopping someone from taking on another persons I.D for the sole purpose of covering their tracks ? How would they combat that scenario?
MACFORTY i think ppl with kids would go to any lengths to keep there kids safe and if i ment loseing a man because he felt violated and hurt that his new woman wanted to do a check on him then thats his loss.
Or gain maybe ?
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| Sarah's Law Gives Mothers Right To Make 'Sex Checks' !!
Posted: 9/15/2008 4:49:37 AM |
Also whats stopping someone from taking on another persons I.D for the sole purpose of covering their tracks ? How would they combat that scenario?
Imagine this scenario, couple just started dating. Conversation crops up about paedophillia or this new law, maybe because of something on TV. He, being a paedohile says 'oh yeah I have had a check done., My ex-girlfriend was a nutter and insisted she do a check on me, here, i'll fetch the paperwork. (shows her false documents) Yeah she was awful, I mean I love kids, i would never hurt any of them." She sympathises, now reassured after seeing false documents and goes on dating him. letting him into her life and near her children. | |
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Posted: 9/15/2008 4:56:03 AM |
Imagine this scenario, couple just started dating. Conversation crops up about paedophillia or this new law, maybe because of something on TV. He, being a paedohile says 'oh yeah I have had a check done., My ex-girlfriend was a nutter and insisted she do a check on me, here, i'll fetch the paperwork. (shows her false documents) Yeah she was awful, I mean I love kids, i would never hurt any of them." She sympathises, now reassured after seeing false documents and goes on dating him. letting him into her life and near her children.
Quite. I think this thread, just today has already highlighted how a well intentioned procedure is likely to be operationally flawed. Anyone remember when the CSA kicked off? Great idea theoretically, but we've all heard of the enormous administrative problems, failures, bad judgements and immense pain, woe, misery and suffering often caused to both parents. | |
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Posted: 9/15/2008 4:58:37 AM | I just don't understand the logic behind all this.
If a sex offender is considered even slightly dangerous he/she should be locked up.
If they are considered fit for release, then they should be allowed the freedom to live a normal life - otherwsie they are outcasts in society and are surely more likely to revert to abnormal behaviour. Laws like this are inevitably going to lead to vigilante behaviour and mistaken identity (watch out paedeotricians)
I just cannot see why there should be a middle ground. It benefits no-one. | |
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Posted: 9/15/2008 5:14:00 AM | | I welcome any legislation which is introduced to protect children from sexual preditors,who by the way can be of any age or gender and are statistically more likely to be known to the victim.However,I think the government need to police the legislation already in place to reduce the "mistakes " made eg. releasing known offenders into areas where there are a high number of children .How about a redundant oil rig 200mls into the north sea as an option ? | |
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Posted: 9/15/2008 5:19:00 AM | | Once a pedophile always a pedophile ! Would you be prepared to give up something that gave you ultimate pleasure and which you believed in your own mind to be acceptable . It has been proven that a miniscule number of sex offenders are actually changed permenantly by "treatment ". | |
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