| Motor Sports arn't a sport and are bed for nature.
Posted: 9/21/2008 1:37:10 AM | I just don't get it how some people can call motor sports, a sport.I mean how much physical ability dose it take to sit on a dirt bike,or in a car,or truck ,or for that matter get pulled behind a boat,not to mention all the environmental damage. Real sports involve physical ability and skill ,like , ,soccer,running,hiking,paddling,the ones I really like involve ,physical ability, skill,and the harnessing of nature to propel you, and nature also challenges you with obstacles like white-water kayaking ,kite surfing ,sail boarding,mountain biking,skiing.I also like the fact that man made inventions can help propel you in combination with nature like, ice skates ,bicycles,sails, paddles.As far as I'm concerned ,if it involves a motor ,it's cheating,and there for no longer a sport.
We should work with nature ,not destroy it,and we would all be healthier in the end. | |
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| Motor Sports arn't a sport and are bed for nature.
Posted: 9/21/2008 5:50:08 AM | Your average indy driver has to have split second reflexes and perfect concentration and judgment for hours at a time during a race. An indy driver will lose more water sweating during that race than a hockey goalie playing 3 straight games in a row, and will subject himself to g-forces comparable to launching into space.
Now; you may not consider that a sport, but it's a pretty hard sell to think motorsports athletes are 'cheating' because they use a motor. Are you 'cheating' when you use a plastic kayak and paddle? Shouldn't you carve out a tree and longboat your way around the water using your hands or a branch if you want to keep from destroying nature with your plastic consumption?
Also, statements like "We should work with nature ,not destroy it,and we would all be healthier in the end." are pretty ridiculous on their own merits. I should invent a sport called 'chainsaw assisted squirrel racing' and see if I can sell it to the X games. | |
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| Motor Sports arn't a sport and are bad for nature.
Posted: 9/21/2008 7:30:33 AM | Hmmm, propelled by the power of nature? So if people go over the Niagra Falls in a contraption, propelled by water flow and the force of gravity, is that a sport?
Consider that the Olympic games include competitions for the so-called sports in archery, shooting, and equestrian (horse riding).
Speaking of motor sports, I've never attended these competitions myself but think it might be fun to participate in belt sander races. These involve motors and no driver.
All the effort goes into the preparation before the modified wood-working tools are unleashed.
When I searched Google I was surprised to discover how many websites are devoted to belt sander racing. | |
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| Motor Sports arn't a sport and are bad for nature.
Posted: 9/21/2008 8:24:01 AM |
sit on a dirt bike,or in a car,or truck ,or for that matter get pulled behind a boat,not to mention all the environmental damage. Real sports involve physical ability and skill ,like , ,soccer,running
to sit on a dirt bike?? probably none unless your legs are really short.... however to RIDE one? ... you obviously haven't or wouldn't have made such an utterly ridiculous statement..... not even thinking of motocross, try a 100km scramble single track race up a mountain if you want to WORK OUT and use skill. Every muscle on your body will ache for days afterward to remind you that you aren't just "sitting" there for the scenic ride.
Can't think that running requires more skill than any other sport.
ALL sports done at anything other than a casual level require phenomenal skill, STRENGTH, pace, dedication, perseverance and training.
If one makes it look easy then they are doing it exceedingly well.
Onchy, by the OP standards it would seem that equestrian sports are for the horse only as the rider is simply just "sitting" on the horse... not a motor but the same idea.
The definition of "sport" is actuallyto amuse oneself so ANYTHING can be a sport... so be one hmmmmmmmmkay? | |
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| Motor Sports arn't a sport and are bed for nature.
Posted: 9/21/2008 8:35:31 AM | Kite surfing is a sport?? I hear that the IOA might put this in the 2012 Olympics, clothing optional. Those Brits sure now how to party!! The longer the string the bigger the challenge.
Might nip down to Wreck Beach to see if anyone is getting in some early morning practice.
Ok on a serious note, they are called motor sports because they have a motor. It takes alot of skill to manoeuvre machines at great speeds around, over, above obstacles . Now considering alot of them are modified and can cause extreme injuries if not handled correctly , it does take training, stamina and concentration to participate.
P.S. The motocross that I have seen, they don't even have a seat! You stand up the whole time and your legs take one heck of a beating, now that is stamina. | |
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| Motor Sports arn't a sport and are bed for nature.
Posted: 9/21/2008 9:39:39 AM | i would have to agree with the posters above. have you ever looked at the c0ckpit cam views of indie car drivers? the effect of g-forces is obvious on their faces, not to mention the strength & reflexes it takes to control a car at those speeds. motocross and dirtbike riders need strength, agility, reflexes, and take a heck of a beating. same applies to a large number of other motorized sports.
keep in mind, this admission is coming from someone who generally doesn't like sports and leans a bit towards environmentally conscious as well. i have no interest in watching most sports, motorized or not, and couldn't care less if indie cars were taken off the road for this reason or any other. no skin off my nose either way.
i will concede that motor sports may be a frivolous waste of fuel in our energy starved society, but i won't dismiss the people who compete in these activities so easily. if it were something anyone could do, if it took no physical skill or unique ability, then we'd all be able to hop on a dirtbike or into a sports car and do the same...but my money says the average joe or average jane wouldn't be able to. | |
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| Motor Sports arn't a sport and are bed for nature.
Posted: 9/21/2008 10:26:07 AM | I confess, I'm a racing fan.
I saw Michael Andretti race at Westwood years ago before they turned it into vinyl Yuppyville. He was amazing - 2 laps ahead of the second-place finisher. I don't know why, but I just responded to the sound of the motors - hair on the back of my neck stood up and a big "YEAAHHHH!" as the cars roared past.
Especially on the road courses, the force you need to use to keep the cars in line is huge. Although I agree it's not necessarily a "sport", there is a large degree of athleticism involved in manouvering the machines, skill in knowing the tracks and when to take chances and certainly concentration and focus.
The Vancouver Indy races were a great event - although the majority of fans know it's just a fantasy and we would never drive like that in reality. At least not in my chickmobile station wagon.....
My understanding is that the fuels they use now are designed to burn virtually 100% and leave a 'cleaner' exhaust. Someone will probably know the stats on this. From what I've seen, the fuel practically evaporates while you wait - although there would be the 'fume' argument......
For the few days a year these beasts are run, I say don't overthink it - enjoy! | |
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| Motor Sports arn't a sport and are bed for nature.
Posted: 9/21/2008 10:33:52 AM | | I would consider it more so a sport if everyone was using the same vehicle part for part. If one team is able to afford a better engine that allows them to smoke the competition speed-wise it is less about the driver's ability, and more so about the engine. | |
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| Motor Sports arn't a sport and are bed for nature.
Posted: 9/21/2008 12:16:35 PM | once upon a time ...been there done that as amateur...lol
was a lot of fun
indeed a great many physical and mental skills are required and that would qualify as a sport in my opinion.
I do however no longer approve of this sport on the bases the costs don't justify the expense, because we are already destroying this planet faster than it can recover .... though much new technology found its way into modern vehicles ... | |
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| Motor Sports arn't a sport and are bed for nature.
Posted: 9/21/2008 12:16:45 PM | | only one who has never tried competing in motor sports could ever come up with such a insane analasis. jump on a motorcross bike and take it around the track for a couple of laps and see how much physical exertion is required. as far as the equality of performance among competitors in motorsport, what about every other sport. more money means better equipment, more talanted atheletes, ect. the most evenly matched sport that comes to mind is nascar where they are designed to be a evenly matched as possible. ( a skilled mechanic can find ways to add slight advantages in design and performance ) burning fuel has a impact on th enviorment, so who here uses no fuel in their daily lives. the items you buy at the local grocery store were put there by truckers who burn fuel to transport it. | |
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| Motor Sports arn't a sport and are bed for nature.
Posted: 9/21/2008 1:01:33 PM | I know plenty of people who bought the cool Sporty 8cyl " suv" "truck"
modelled after nascar thinking .
Now all they do is cry about the price of gas.
The value of these vehicles is dropping like a rock.
Also all the collector car rallies do is pollute the enviroment.
I agree it is not a sport it is dumb. | |
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| Motor Sports arn't a sport and are bed for nature.
Posted: 9/21/2008 2:44:37 PM | Actually I have ridden dirt bikes up on Chilliwack Mountain.I was also thirty pounds over weight ,and really out of shape .It wasn't that hard.
Nascar ,give it a rest ,how much strength dose it take to push a gas peddle,and turn a steering wheel,my eighty six year old mother can do that .
Also all the collector car rallies do is pollute the enviroment. what I don't get is most of these people don't even restore their own cars. They just buy them that way ,or pay some one else to do it.what are they giving out the trophies for??? polishing?? | |
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| Motor Sports arn't a sport and are bed for nature.
Posted: 9/21/2008 3:36:18 PM | Ahh energy08 polishing the right way speaks volumes about the man.
EDIT : golf a sport??? not unless you count getting your heart rate up to the max chasing a bee away from you or spying a hot bod at another hole!!! ROFL | |
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| Motor Sports arn't a sport and are bad for nature.
Posted: 9/24/2008 7:18:17 AM | ["Speaking of motor sports, I've never attended these competitions myself but think it might be fun to participate in belt sander races. These involve motors and no driver."]
every sunday in the after noon in falkland pub(during the winter months) if ya want to check it out........ Onchy | |
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| Motor Sports arn't a sport and are bad for nature.
Posted: 9/24/2008 7:23:13 AM |
or for that matter get pulled behind a boat,not to mention all the environmental damage. Real sports involve physical ability and skill
give me a break, have you ever been on a wakeboard or water skis
It is a very physical sport and FUN too. | |
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| Motor Sports arn't a sport and are bad for nature.
Posted: 9/24/2008 7:30:25 AM |
"Speaking of motor sports, I've never attended these competitions myself but think it might be fun to participate in belt sander races. These involve motors and no driver. every sunday in the after noon in falkland pub(during the winter months) if ya want to check it out........ Onchy
LOL. Thanks Schmotzy
One of the local hardware stores, now under new ownership, organized belt sander races some years ago. I'm sure its the kind of sport that character Tim Taylor of "Home Improvement" would enjoy.
On topic
I used to operate a snowmobile in northern BC (north of Dease Lake even) and the snow was deep. The cross-country snowmobile race was exhausting. Most racers went off the trail into the powder at least once (yep, me too). Considerable effort and time was spent floundering in chest-deep snow to get the sled back on the trail. His strength and endurance for such labour were importance factors in the race. | |
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| Motor Sports arn't a sport and are bed for nature.
Posted: 9/24/2008 7:41:42 AM | The OP has obviously never raced motocross or ridden a dirtbike more than just putting around because I can tell you right now that controlling one of them bikes takes more physical energy than a lot of other sports where you use your own power to perform without any machine.
I know because I play hockey as well as other "sports". Playing softball is a sport and not nearly as physically demanding as riding. I ask , no I dare the OP to get on a 450-f and try to compete with one of the riders or even ride half the pace on one of them rides . If you think you are in shape then try it and I will bet you will either crash from physical breakdown or if you domake it you will feel how physically demanding it really is.
I am not saying any other sport is not a sport but to say motocross isn't is just insulting to those who ride, train and work out to perform at the top of their level.
By the way there are new electric bikes making it's way into the market slowly that are environmentally friendly , drag racing has een a select few electric cars as well. Wait and see what the future brings instead of condemning those of us living in what today has to offer. | |
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| Motor Sports arn't a sport and are bed for nature.
Posted: 9/24/2008 8:04:23 AM | I love watching the aerial manoeuvers of those guys that do show riding of motocross bikess ... i personally don't even like sommersaulting off a diving board into a nice soft warm pool ... so doing it over dirt at high speed some 30 feet off the ground is totally crazy to me...
i do think that machinery has wrecked out lives though ... but i would nomiate computers as being the number one evil machine  inactivity rather than activity seems to me to be the major killer these days. in motor sports some guys do end up crippled and busted up... but is it any better to expire from obesity and the evils of a sedentary existence...
skateboarding and pedal biking are also cool... but they somehow lack the charm of the motorcycle... | |
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| Motor Sports arn't a sport and are bed for nature.
Posted: 9/24/2008 1:07:35 PM | Motor Sports arn't a sport and are bed for nature.
Certainly fits within the Parameter what defines a Sport:
(From Webster's New World Edition)
Sport noun 2. An activity, esp. when competitive, requiring more or less vigorous bodily exertion and carried on, sometimes as a profession, according to some traditional form or set of rules, whether outdoors, as football, golf, etc., or indoors, as basketball, bowling, etc.
I am not sure 'Minnesota Fats' leaning on a Billiard Table to keep himself standing up would qualify as "Vigorous Body Exertion", but that could be argued too. | |
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| Motor Sports arn't a sport and are bed for nature.
Posted: 9/24/2008 1:15:33 PM | ^^^^ Thanks ticket!!!
An activity, esp. when competitive, requiring more or less vigorous bodily exertion and carried on, sometimes as a profession, according to some traditional form or set of rules, whether outdoors, as football, golf, etc., or indoors, as basketball, bowling, etc.
I knew it all along
sex is a sport
for some it may even be a motor sport | |
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| Motor Sports arn't a sport and are bed for nature.
Posted: 9/24/2008 2:18:58 PM | art too
i think all the olimpic catagories were involved when i rode my on/off road bikes
balance beem....too..ride
100 yard dash...ran outta gas
marathon....eye hand finger coordination
pole vault....crashed
wieght lifting....drag bike off road
javlin.....remove inbedded scrapnel
gymnastics....ok...said bike was parked.....i got a bronze!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
edit...it was a good bed when nature called....waaaaa | |
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| Motor Sports arn't a sport and are bed for nature.
Posted: 9/30/2008 1:22:43 AM |
I would consider it more so a sport if everyone was using the same vehicle part for part. If one team is able to afford a better engine that allows them to smoke the competition speed-wise it is less about the driver's ability, and more so about the engine.
There are plenty of 'spec' series world wide that do exactly this. The Star mazda Series comes to mind, and in fact even the current generation of indy cars. | |
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| Motor Sports arn't a sport and are bed for nature.
Posted: 9/30/2008 4:51:14 PM | I'm thinking the OP has never ever rode a dirt bike over a pro circuit with anything closer than a novice time.........That's an extremely physical sport that requires tons of skill.
It's obvious you've never tried it....
As for auto racing, paticularly nascar or indy type racers ability, it also is hugely demanding physicly with a extremely high skill level.....
Having said that, there is so many sports that don't require the physical aspect quite so much, 1/4 mile drag racing for instance, a straight line ride that lasts 5-15 seconds, yet the hand / eye corordination and reflex abilty is finely tuned.....
Golf??,,,,,,,that speaks for it's self...........
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