| Who's following the Election?
Posted: 9/24/2008 2:57:29 PM | So who's following the Election?
What do guys think of this?
"By The Canadian Press
MONTREAL - Bloc Quebecois Leader Gilles Duceppe is warning that the Conservatives' get-tough approach to youth crime could be a boon for jailed pedophiles.
Duceppe says 14-year-olds who are imprisoned run the risk of being used as "young flesh" by hardened criminals. Conservative Leader Stephen Harper has promised to lower to 14 the age at which someone could be jailed for life. "
Here's my opinion, bring back Capital Punishment and start executing Pedophiles perhaps?!? | |
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| Who's following the Election?
Posted: 9/24/2008 2:59:34 PM | | According to that logic, why throw anyone in jail then? Especially if they're too "pretty", lol....Duceppe has and always will be an idiot. | |
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| Who's following the Election?
Posted: 9/24/2008 4:18:56 PM | That doesn't make any sense to me...it's unrealistic to think that youth will be imprisoned with adults.
I just know for myself as a woman...I can't vote for Harper. | |
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| Who's following the Election?
Posted: 9/24/2008 4:22:36 PM | | just more schtick proving Harper is the neo-Conservative who follows the Bush model to a Tee, possibly doing a better job of it than Bush himself! On October 14, if you plan to vote... vote for ANYONE but Harper. | |
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| Who's following the Election?
Posted: 9/24/2008 5:17:24 PM | I'm surprised. Conservative seems to be the great Alberta way.
Myself, I truly wish the block would fight for Canada with the enthusiasm they fight for Quebec. But as they do not, I cannot vote for them. I question why they, since they only replresent one province, are involved in a federal election to begin with.
The PC's, well, I cannot voluntarily vote myself into a dictatorship, the secrecy this government subscribes to, the set of double standards where laws are made and broken on the leader's whim, where regulation to stop corruption apply to everyone but them. There are historic tyrants who act as this government is acting with the only difference being they seized power rather than relied on the vote of the unaware, uneducated or indifferent to get in power.
So I'll be going with either Lib, NDP or green. Two of those however are out to, through environmental plans, ruin the bit of our nation that's holding up the rest, so there really is only one choice in my opinion. | |
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| Who's following the Election?
Posted: 9/24/2008 5:30:15 PM | | I'm surprised this thread has survived this long....nothing with any kind of political debate ever survives on the POF Alberta forums.... | |
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| Who's following the Election?
Posted: 9/24/2008 6:56:00 PM | "the secrecy this government subscribes to, the set of double standards where laws are made and broken on the leader's whim, where regulation to stop corruption apply to everyone but them"
God damn you have got to be kidding me...the Conservative party is one of the MORE (notice I didn't say only) honest of the major parties. They may not have as many "issues" listed as priorities as the other parties, ESPECIALLY the Libs (who at last count from the last election had 35-40 "priorities" compared to the 5 or 6 the Conservatives had), but at least they keep their goals WITHIN REASONABLE REACH. As far as I can ascertain, they have done that, or at least have been the only one who has come the closest...cause we all know no matter who is in the office, they will not be perfect.
As for double standards, corruption, and secrecy....AdScam, the Gun Registries Program, this ridiculous CARBON TAX (need I go on?)...did this all not come from the recent LIBERAL gov't? Let's not be hypocritical here...
Sorry, but I'll stick with the honest guys, not the "fear mongering" tactics of the red guys...
And by the way...can someone tell me EXACTLY how this so-called CARBON TAX the Libs have lined up is going to help stop global warming and pollution? The way it was explained to me was that it just transfers the west's money to the east. Anyone??? | |
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| Who's following the Election?
Posted: 9/24/2008 7:34:16 PM | | One of Stephen Harper's promises at the last election...was to lower taxes at the gas pumps....and to get rid of the gun registry. Neither has happened. But...his has much larger hidden agendas...which are much more underminded...and sneaky. SSP...comes to mind as a start... | |
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| Who's following the Election?
Posted: 9/24/2008 7:49:38 PM | "his has much larger hidden agendas...which are much more underminded...and sneaky."
Exactly what is his "hidden agenda"? I find it laughable that some buy into this Liberal propaganda of a "hidden agenda". Mud slinging and fear mongering is more like it.
And the gun control registry and AdScam weren't underhanded and sneaky? If you want to talk about sneaky and underhanded, let's start talking about this ridiculous debaucle called CARBON TAX.
A gov't can only do so much when you are a minority and you need the cooperation of the other parties to either pass or remove bills...obviously none of the other parties want the gun registry out, so how can the Conservatives do it? ESPECIALLY when it was the Liberals who put it in the first place? How about if you ask BC what they think of their provincial CARBON TAX that got put on their gas? And who implemented it? And who wants to implement a NATIONAL CARBON TAX on our gas? THE LIBERALS!!! And yet people say Harper has "hidden agendas"...HA!
You have to update me on this SSP, Vin...what is this SSP? | |
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| Who's following the Election?
Posted: 9/24/2008 8:41:10 PM | Harper promised to improve the freedom of information act. It is now improved to the government side. The population has reduced information that it can access as well as a longer system of red tape to get to it. Smoke and mirrors, deception, proven.
Harper promised an accountable government. One open to the people. Now, he dictates what the press is allowed to know, what the party members can say and whether information on things such as where our money is going, who's getting it and for what can and will be released to the public. He is accountable but controls what he can be held acountable for. If we don't have any information to question, then sure, he'll answer questions. Another proven smoke and mirrors move.
Harper created laws to dictate to government on how to run the election process including timeframes. Then chose to ignore them through a loophole he created at the time which was only put there to apply to the current government he holds. A weak one of twice minority. This is proven.
Harper and his party during the last election knew the rules on budgets allowable for the election but chose to ignore them. Every other party was able to follow them but his. By overspending legal amounts, he basically is buying more votes. Corrupt, cheating and lying that has been proven.
Harpers government was caught trying to bribe another politician in British Columbia. Further evidence of corruption that was directly sanctioned by Steven Harper and the Conservatives. Corruption, bribery. Proven.
His ministers have a bad habit of leaving classified and sensitive documents all over the place. Biker-lover residences, within access biker gangs, on streetcorners in Ottawa. Careless, irresponsible and potentially dangerous to the nation. (Do you have any idea what the documents pertained to? Or just what Harper and the boys tell you?
So, we have a lot of things already proven and more on the way that are demonstrated by the Conservatives and Harper and he's only held power for 2 short terms. This is what we KNOW and can PROVE, not the things he's been controlling the release of information on. Until he's gone, those secrets may just remain there.
And you choose to support them? You tell me honestly, would you rather be a sheep under Harper's government of keeping you under their thumbs, the government not having to answer to anyone for what they do, of policing every single word said to the public, no acountability for what can be proven and hiding everything they can from you? Of leaving hazardous information lying around to be found by anyone from terror organizations to your grandmother? Of lying, bullying, bribing and cheating their way into the prime-ministers chair and then continuing the tactics through their terms?
My god, man. You probably had more of a reaction when the NHL was on strike compared to the proven corruption, dictator-type ruling and disregard for any opinion other than what Harper wants as he slowly sells off Canadian assets, rights and resources to another country that he clearly models his government after and seems to want to join up with in the future. Is this truly what you want? | |
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| Who's following the Election?
Posted: 9/24/2008 8:44:58 PM | I think he means SPP:
<div class="quote">Join the Canadian Action Party in demanding that before the next election Prime Minister Stephen Harper ask the Canadian people if they want a Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP) with the United States and Mexico. This is far too important to the future of Canada to be left to an unrepresentative Parliament and must be put to the People in a referendum!
from Canadian Action Party website.
If you don't think that the Tories are above board in their plans for the future you are deluding yourself.
Wasn't Harper the one who introduced the concept of fixed election dates? According to his proposal we shouldn't be going to the polls until next fall. Apparently that schedule wasn't conducive to his plans.
I'm very disappointed in the other parties during this campaign. I live in Harper's riding and the only signs I've seen are Conservative party signs around the neighborhoods. I've even gone so far as to sign up online to volunteer for one of the other parties. Haven't heard a thing and October 14 is coming up soon. It's sad that they aren't organized to have a strong campaign.
As for putting juvenile offenders in with adults - the man needs to give his head a shake. Regardless of the crime a civilized society does not treat it's children that way. Investing in healthier families and communities prevents kids from becoming murderers. He's looking at the wrong end of the problem. | |
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| Who's following the Election?
Posted: 9/24/2008 10:28:59 PM | | I am so glad Papabear came into this thread. I am voting Conservative no matter what though I am not as passionate as him about it. I consider myself a left leaning conservative. Of course there are things I don't like about the Conservatives but I sure as f**k am not voting for the f**king NDP. Their record in provincial politics (Bob Rae, Glen Clark) shows how good they'd be at running the entire country, not to mention Jack Layton being an even bigger douchebag than Dion. I feel crime and the economy are the big issues and the Conservatives are the only ones who will do what I feel is the best thing to do for this country. | |
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| Who's following the Election?
Posted: 9/24/2008 10:31:53 PM | Gotta admit the Conservative Government sucks. They just don't suck as bad as the Liberals or NDP.
Anyone remember who brought in the GST or the extremely successful Gun Registry?  | |
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Posted: 9/24/2008 10:38:51 PM | | The NDP doesn't have a freakin clue about anything...Jack Layton is in la la land lol...today he announced he's going to exit the current soft wood lumber deal if elected. Yesterday it was promising to return the 45 million dollars in cuts to arts and culture. What an idiot...I remember him in Parliament accidentally saying "Big Oil and Big Ass".... | |
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| Who's following the Election?
Posted: 9/24/2008 10:53:21 PM | The funny thing with the softwood lumber accord, you see, is that the final apeal that the US had, active in court when Harper finally bullied all the provinces into signing the new agreement with the states, was settled 2 days after the signing of the new deal. If Canada had ignored the infinite wisdom of Harper and the PC mobsters, Canada would have won back every cent that the US was found to have illegally taken. As well, Canadian workers and companies severely effected could then have had full legal rights to sue for business loss and personal loss caused by illegal trade acts.
The US had no other place to launch suite, that was the last one. They lost. Canada won. But Harper and the PC's sided with the US, causing job losses in BC, Ontario, Quebec, Manitoba and anywhere else that softwood lumber was being cut and made into boards.
It was stifled by the government but the information is out there. If you doubt me, just go look it up.
No, I highly doubt I'd vote NDP either. Last election yes, this one, no. | |
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| Who's following the Election?
Posted: 9/24/2008 11:17:08 PM | I'm always lurking in here, MiniW...
Easyguy...you had lots to say in your post, but I would like you to provide a link or 2 to show where all what you said is "proven". There have been a sh!t load of things that the Libs have accused Harper and his gov't of doing, but not all are true...
"The population has reduced information that it can access as well as a longer system of red tape to get to it. "
Just exactly what kind of information are you referring to? My credit card numbers? My bank account numbers? Help me out here....
"he dictates what the press is allowed to know, what the party members can say and whether information on things such as where our money is going, who's getting it and for what can and will be released to the public"
???WTF??? ANYONE can dictate what the press is allowed to know, not just this or ANY gov't. Last I heard, ALL THE PARTIES tell their members what can be appropriately said. What...you never ever heard any politician, no matter what party, ever say something stupid? It HAS occured you know. And again, you'll have to point out where exactly he dictates things such as where our money is going. Hmmm...guess the Liberal party sure showed us with AdScam, huh...plain crooked
"Harper created laws to dictate to government on how to run the election process including timeframes. Then chose to ignore them through a loophole he created "
Yes, this came as a surprise. I didn't even know any gov't could do that. Of course with a minority gov't, their hands are tied when it comes to formulating any polcy...even if it is good for the people. The Gun Registry, for instance...yes, he said he'd get rid of it, but can't because it needs to be voted out, BUT NO ONE WILL VOTE AGAINST IT BUT THE CONSERVATIVES. The only way he can do that is with a majority gov't.
"By overspending legal amounts, he basically is buying more votes."
My apologies, but that is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Dion's CARBON TAX just transfers monies from the west to the east. How bout THEM apples for buying votes. PLEASE let's not be hypocritical...
"His ministers have a bad habit of leaving classified and sensitive documents all over the place"
Hmmm...gee last I heard it was 1 MP who did it, and was only 1 document at 1 place. ANOTHER typical Liberal exaggeration...1 MP did something stupid, so they all fall into that category, right?
Stupid move? ABSOLUTELY. Dude, we are dealing with politicians here...
"So, we have a lot of things already proven and more on the way that are demonstrated by the Conservatives and Harper and he's only held power for 2 short terms"
SHOW me the proof. If you got the sites, post them here please. All I hear from you is opinions. Be greatly appreciated if you provided FACTS.
"This is what we KNOW and can PROVE, not the things he's been controlling the release of information on"
Again...well, I won't even say it. Controlling the release of info? You better talk to outfits like the Liberal-loving, Liberal-backed CBC. Maybe try listening to other stations who are UNBIASED in their information gathering and distributing, dude. | |
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| Who's following the Election?
Posted: 9/25/2008 4:31:56 AM |
I consider myself a left leaning conservative.
Ahh it's always good to start the day with a laugh.
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| Who's following the Election?
Posted: 9/25/2008 4:37:48 AM | "Anyone remember who brought in the GST or the extremely successful Gun Registry? "
Yes...I do remember who brought in the GST . It was Brian Mulroney's PC party...the same thing as the Conservatives of today. He single handedly killed that party...just as I am supposing that Stephen Harper will do when he gets a majority government this time. It's too bad it is the...um..hehehe "ordinary" Canadian...that will have to suffer in this regard. Canada is running in a deficit now for the first time since 1992, when Mulroney was at the helm. It's not a nice direction we are heading in as a country in it's entirety... and there is no sunny skies in the horizon. | |
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| Who's following the Election?
Posted: 9/25/2008 7:40:48 AM | | Wasn't it a Liberal election promise to get rid of the GST? Funny, I still seem to pay the GST every time I buy something... | |
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Posted: 9/25/2008 9:06:24 AM | Has anyone mentioned the fact that regardless of Liberal policy , Dion is singularly devoid of charisma, personality, communication skills, and looks like a 50 something human version of a French Canadian Alvin the Chipmunk!!!???
How in Gods name he was ever voted in as the leader of their party is mindboggling...they don't have a prayer..lol | |
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