dmotz
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| ACORN busted in Nevada
Posted: 10/8/2008 7:33:48 AM | Acorn up to their old tricks again...Since when do the Dallas Cowboys live in Nevada?
In my opinion the Democrat party is pulling out all stops to get Obama elected. This will not be the only state that will be shown to be full of voter fraud from Obama's ACORN buddies.
I will say one thing ..I give much praise to the democrat attorney General of Nevada...He is bucking his own party and looking for the truth..to bad all politicians won't do this...class act.
By Mary Pat Flaherty
The Nevada office of ACORN had planned a potluck dinner at its Las Vegas office Tuesday night to celebrate the 80,000 newly registered voters its staff had signed up in Clark County as part of its work with low-income communities nationwide.
Instead, their office was raided Tuesday morning by agents of the Nevada Secretary of State and Attorney General who alleged in an application for a search warrant that ACORN had hired 59 felons through a work release program as canvassers and submitted nearly 300 apparently fraudulent voter registration cards as part of the drive.
The submitted voter cards included addresses and names that do not exist in Nevada, duplicate registrations, names culled from telephone books and names of Dallas Cowboys players, an investigator for the Secretary of State alleged in his affidavit for a search warrant.
One ex-employee of ACORN reached by the state investigator told him she began making up names for her forms on days when it was too hot to work outside. ACORN canvassers are paid by the hour. Ex-employees also said they were expected to collect 20 complete forms a shift or risk probation and termination, the investigator said in his affidavit.
The search drove ACORN and its critics to exchange charges of political maneuvering in a battleground state that voted Republican in the 2004 presidential election but is considered in play for November. Mail-in voter registration closed Saturday in Nevada.
Agents removed 20 boxes of documents and eight computer hard drives from the ACORN office in "an ongoing investigation," said Secretary of State Ross Miller, a Democrat. "Now we begin the task of sifting through the material that was seized to determine how widespread any fraud might be."
No arrests were made yesterday and no ACORN staff were in the office during the raid.
ACORN officials said they were stunned by the search because they had unilaterally identified and flagged suspicious voter registration cards to the county elections board starting in July and had been cooperating with authorities to cull bad information and fire workers who collected that information, said Brian Mellor, senior counsel for Project Vote.
Project Vote relies on staff from ACORN, which stands for the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, to do field level voter drives.
ACORN's internal checks, Mellor said, included tracking forms assigned to canvassers using serial numbers and worker sign-offs on each form and following up with listed voters by phone to verify they had taken part in the registration drive. The search warrant mentions those procedures.
That cooperation and meetings with state officials also are mentioned in the search affidavit, as is a subpoena from the state that was delivered to ACORN in September asking the group to resubmit information on several employees it had previously turned over to county elections officials. The forms were resubmitted, Mellor said.
"The raid was a stunt designed perhaps to make them look tough on voter fraud," said Matthew Henderson, the southwest regional director for ACORN. "We don't think fraud is a rampant problem. This was a politically motivated stunt, that is all there is to it because those new voters can reshape the electorate of Nevada."
Henderson said many voters registered through ACORN are "working people and people of color and there may be corners of the political world where a high injection of new voters like those is unsettling some."
The state is one of several viewed as a battleground. The Secretary of State and Attorney General are Democrats.
"If this were a stunt I would have put Ross (Miller) out there with a shotgun like Buford Pussey," said Miller's spokesman, Bob Walsh. "I'll grant them their cooperation, though it is grossly dishonest not to bring up the felons in their official statements they released."
But, said Walsh, "at the end of the day, it is our job, not ACORN's, to enforce election law and that is why we acted."
In July, the two Nevada state agencies involved in the raid, along with the FBI and U.S. Attorney's Office for Nevada, formed a task force to target voter registration and election fraud and complaints over voter registration practices, potential voter fraud, and enforcement of laws regarding voter intimidation. The federal agents were not part of Tuesday's search, Walsh said.
Registration drives conducted by ACORN in several states are under scrutiny by local elections officials for the accuracy of cards gathered by its workers.
Mellor said that problems with duplicate registrations -- for people already registered who sign on during a drive -- have been a problem that ACORN is working to eliminate because those cards burden local elections boards who must process them. He also noted that the group has worked with local authorities in St. Louis and Kansas City in the past on investigations. But the Nevada search, he said, "is the first raid I can recall."
ACORN has been the object of heated denunciations from the Republican National Committee and the McCain campaign, which contend the group is attempting to overwhelm election officials with new registrations that are carelessly gathered and would enable unqualified voters to get on the rolls.
"It is very difficult to ascribe any other motive to the activities of ACORN other than to swamp the system with registrations cards" that range from illegible to being drawn from names from telephone listings or other public directories, said RNC Chief Counsel Sean Cairncross. Cairncross spoke Tuesday during a telephone press conference on another ACORN voter drive in northwest Indiana that local news accounts report is under review by elections officers.
The ACORN drives, he said, "point to a lack of control in this organization" and "a willingness to go out and do this relentlessly."
The McCain and Obama camps have been trading blasts and Internet alerts over Republican charges that ACORN has been closely linked to Barack Obama for years, a contention the Obama campaign denies.
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dmotz
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Joined: 7/25/2006
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| ACORN busted in Nevada
Posted: 10/8/2008 7:46:09 AM | I would really like to see a fair election for once. Enough with the ...Republicans did this...the Dems did that...Let the American people vote and see who wins. If Obama or McCain win in a fair election...they deserve it.
Let the candidates fight it out and then let the winner move on. Voter fraud has been around for ever.
This is NOT an attack on Obama but on the party of ACORN. | |
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Posted: 10/8/2008 10:17:09 AM | Looking at the OP - they signed up 80,000 voters. And 300 of them weren't eligible?
I know a little bit about voter registration since I did it here in Canada - where the Elections Canada does it all - and this represents a very low error ratio. They raided the offices because mistakes were made? Do you know of any other human endeavor where you have to hire anyone who will work cheap where you can get that low of an error rate? | |
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dmotz
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Joined: 7/25/2006
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| ACORN busted in Nevada
Posted: 10/8/2008 10:23:50 AM | | ACORN is nationwide Halftime...fraud is fraud...it can play a huge roll. Nevada is a small state...what about California...Florida...New York...etc....And using CONVICTS...that says alot about the organization. | |
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| ACORN busted in Nevada
Posted: 10/8/2008 10:28:59 AM | My point is that if you have an effort to register voters you will always have duplicates and such. They use ex-cons because they need to hire anyone who will work cheap for a limited period job.
The alternative is to not even try to register voters. Which is apparently what the GOP wants. They're demonizing a group that is trying to make it about "government of the people, by the people, for the people."
Errors are not fraud. Every human endeavor has errors. | |
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Posted: 10/8/2008 11:03:27 AM | Fair election....that's like an oxymoron.
You'll have a fair election when the politics and imbedded corruption in the form of campaign
finance and lobbying are barred. | |
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| ACORN busted in Nevada
Posted: 10/8/2008 11:35:34 AM |
I would really like to see a fair election for once.
You'll have a fair election when the politics and imbedded corruption in the form of campaign finance and lobbying are barred.
As long as you have elections, you will have people who are unhappy with the outcome.
As long as you have people who are unhappy with the outcome, you will have people alleging (justly or not) that the election was not "fair".
That's life. | |
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| ACORN busted in Nevada
Posted: 10/8/2008 11:54:17 AM |
As long as you have elections, you will have people who are unhappy with the outcome.
As long as you have people who are unhappy with the outcome, you will have people alleging (justly or not) that the election was not "fair".
That's life.
It's not the Election nor the outcome that is the problem. In a full on democracy 49% of the people can be unhappy with the decision. The problem lies within the process.
You do not have a democratic choice based in idealistic freedom and liberty if the candidate must raise millions in order to play. The candidate then is beholden to the people controlling the purse strings.
That's built in corruption whether we choose to acknowledge it or not.
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| ACORN busted in Nevada
Posted: 10/8/2008 12:52:27 PM |
You do not have a democratic choice based in idealistic freedom and liberty if the candidate must raise millions in order to play. The candidate then is beholden to the people controlling the purse strings.
Bunk.
If you can get 100 million $5 donations, you have $500 million, plenty to run a campaign on.
Any candidate with truly universal appeal could do that. | |
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dmotz
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Joined: 7/25/2006
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| ACORN busted in Nevada
Posted: 10/8/2008 1:40:22 PM | | I hear ya Halftime...but if it is no big deal...why is the Attorney General of Nevada and those of other states looking into ACORN? You can not say it is the Republicans doing this...The attorney General of Nevada is a Democrat? What is he...a turncoat? I see only a Democrat doing the right thing... | |
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Posted: 10/8/2008 2:29:20 PM | Looks to me like it was employees getting out of doing their work by putting in false registrations. ACORN apparently has been cooperating by weeding through them and not sending in the "bad" ones, or at least trying to.
Im trying to figure out where this big fraud is. These minimum wage workers trying not to get fired. It doesnt seem like anybody was going to be voting fraudulently. It does sound from the story that the AG was putting on a bit of a show to show they are tough on fraud. | |
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Posted: 10/8/2008 2:39:12 PM | It didn't help Ron Paul.
And your point would be?
Did Ron Paul raise $500 million?
Is this another "my guy didn't win, the election had to be rigged"?
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Posted: 10/8/2008 3:01:28 PM |
And your point would be?
Did Ron Paul raise $500 million?
Is this another "my guy didn't win, the election had to be rigged"?
Ron Paul had "universal appeal" if you look at what Citizens want.
A system in which campaign finance is the lifeblood of a candidacy puts
the power in the hands of wealthy corporations. This is antithetical to
the Democratic ideology we espouse. | |
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| ACORN busted in Nevada
Posted: 10/8/2008 5:21:31 PM |
One ex-employee of ACORN reached by the state investigator told him she began making up names for her forms on days when it was too hot to work outside. ACORN canvassers are paid by the hour. Ex-employees also said they were expected to collect 20 complete forms a shift or risk probation and termination, the investigator said in his affidavit.
Registration drives conducted by ACORN in several states are under scrutiny by local elections officials for the accuracy of cards gathered by its workers.
Mellor said that problems with duplicate registrations -- for people already registered who sign on during a drive -- have been a problem that ACORN is working to eliminate because those cards burden local elections boards who must process them. He also noted that the group has worked with local authorities in St. Louis and Kansas City in the past on investigations. But the Nevada search, he said, "is the first raid I can recall.
So, essentially ACORN is guilty of hiring lazy employees to register voters...unless I am missing something, I see no crime there?
I've known about ACORN for about 15 years and have worked with them in the housing advocacy/foreclosure prevention arena and do not know them as a criminal enterprise.
No doubt they need to do a better job of screening employees, but linking them to criminal activity and involving Obama and the Democrats is just plain disengenious.
Obama/Biden 2008! | |
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Posted: 10/8/2008 6:09:36 PM |
Ron Paul had "universal appeal" if you look at what Citizens want.
A system in which campaign finance is the lifeblood of a candidacy puts
the power in the hands of wealthy corporations. This is antithetical to
the Democratic ideology we espouse. Apparently he didn't have quite the universal appeal you think, he dropped out of the race due to lack of support and to spend his time maintaining his Senate seat...
He did do a pretty good job of raising money, but when the going got tuff, he took a powder... | |
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Posted: 10/8/2008 6:55:05 PM | | Who knows how well Ron Paul would have done since the networks bared him from participating in any debates. And since when is it up to the networks to decide who can/should be part of the election process? | |
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Posted: 10/8/2008 8:08:42 PM | Where my Diebold Machine GOP voting tacting is the backdoor to jim crow and Im appalled. Requiring ID to vote has undertone of saying if your lower class grunt please dont vote. Acorn probadly did register homeless people but the other side wont admit the some thier voters voted at 5 different places in one day. The system needs to reformed so Republicans and Democrats cant game the system to one side advantage to another.
Vote GOP most times but GOP becoming the bible party and will drive people like me away from Republicans because i dont want theocracy, yet dont want big goverment state coddling to every ill of society ethier. | |
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Posted: 10/8/2008 11:07:01 PM |
Voter Intimidation Efforts In Philadelphia
Fresh Air from WHYY, October 8, 2008 • Fliers warning that people with outstanding warrants or unpaid parking tickets could be arrested if they show up at the polls on election day appeared recently in predominantly African-American neighborhoods of Philadelphia. Zach Stalberg, the president of the nonpartisan watchdog group Committee of Seventy, suggests that a Republican Party supporter may have posted the fliers in an effort to discourage voters.
A native Philadelphian, Stalberg was the editor of the Philadelphia Daily News for 20 years. In 2005, he became president of the Committee of Seventy, a group founded in 1904 with a mission to improve the Philadelphia region by fighting corruption and demanding ethical conduct of public officials.
If you have five minutes, go to NPR’s website and listen to the enlightening Fresh Air radio story:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=95509946
We’ll be hearing a lot more of this crap in the next few weeks. I'm sick of the stuff about college students being intimidated for registering to vote in their college locations. The U.S. Supreme Court ruled that it's perfectly legal. Yet in the state of Virginia, a running-scared traditional Republican stronghold, intimidating questions are asked at elections offices when students try to register, implying that a student's parents will lose the right to claim the student as dependent for tax purposes, etc. It's not true, they know it's not true, but it continues. | |
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Posted: 10/8/2008 11:16:43 PM | I find it sad that people will look at the activities of ACORN who is in troble in many states for these actions and others just as bad or worse and make excuses for them. Yet when a reblican does soemthing like this you all yell about stealing the election. So if a community activist group, that is also known for how was it put housing advocacy/foreclosure prevention, does it it is ok. Just not repubs.
Face it folks both parties are trying to steal this election. | |
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Posted: 10/8/2008 11:48:30 PM | | GOP uses voter id requirements and other means to suppress turnout and some GOP voters voted 5 times to same politican in general election. Fraud is rampant on both sides thru the use of voter suppression tactics like scaring people like fogetting to pay a parking ticket from the voting booth. Think all state should allow same day registration. The photo ID is not a problem but certian Southern States like to add stipulations like you have to prove your American citizens to vote or that state id is not acceptable. GOP need to watch it with voting problem because they are hypocrits at times. More to the story than FOX or MSNBC leads on about voter fraude problems. | |
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Posted: 10/9/2008 12:00:49 AM |
Face it folks both parties are trying to steal this election.
Then it's time to get rid of both once and for all. Toss them out on their ears.
Vote third party this season. It's not too late to make your vote and your voice count.
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Posted: 10/9/2008 4:03:34 AM | Great arguments against ACORN if your a racist.
Will be even better if they actually PROVE the ACORN staff promoted the practices.
Doesn't matter that all those registration cards have to go to an election commission to verify registration that would prevent duplicate registrations.
Whiners will always find something to whine about except they can no longer be politically correct exclaiming BLACK people should gain political power. | |
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| ACORN busted in Nevada
Posted: 10/9/2008 4:11:36 AM |
Whiners will always find something to whine about
Truer words were never spoken. Especially when it came to Bush. | |
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