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| Our New President
Posted: 11/4/2008 10:40:19 PM | | All politics aside, Obama is a culmination of the civil rights movement. It's my opinion that the world will see America as a little less white and a whole lot more ethnic. How do you think the rest of the world will see us? | |
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Posted: 11/4/2008 10:47:23 PM | | I'm a military man, so many of the people I work with/for are hard-core Republican...I consider myself to be more independent. I'm excited to see what changes Obama might bring about and how foreign perceptions of the United States might change, many for the better I would hope. I'm sure the rest of the world is just as eager to see how Obama will steer the nation after inauguration... | |
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Posted: 11/4/2008 11:09:57 PM | I hope you all are taking notes.This is the future.
We all remember the words of JFK, "ask not what your country can do for you. . . .but what you can you do for your country?"
Our president asks, "Can you?" | |
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Posted: 11/5/2008 12:05:29 AM | I think that McCains exit speech painted an interesting portrait. McCain needed to shush the audience repeatedly, amid catcalls and boos over praise for Obama. I'm a young white male, yet I couldn't help but see some segments of the audience as aggrandized white trash, dressed up in their pressed Sunday finery, with polished shoes, and hateful button-black eyes.
It spoke of the difference between an amalgamation of styles and ethos coming together for positive change and the old red guard, standing tall in shadowed halls, past their time and prime. I hope that this will be a good change for the nation, through and through. I'm happy and hopeful that future president Obama will walk the walk he has talked about for so long.
McCain did a good job running, though, and I -did- find his last speech noble and respectful, outclassing by far the standards of some supporters. I would have been a bit embarrassed to be there, in fact. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2008 12:43:35 AM | An emphatic Oprah said that something just happened. That hope just won. Anything is poosible. Oprah is in awe of, not Obama, but of hope.
I contend, McCain would never inspire such hope.
There is a paradigm shift happening here. Blacks are empowered by Obama's audacity. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2008 12:55:21 AM | Happy for change that would be "good" for America! BUT having lived abroad about 14 different countries for longer than a year each ---Everyone from another land has only 1 RACE & 1 Culture - Theirs!
People come here & make a place for themselves because it is WAY better & WAY Free compared to theirs.
The other lands ENVY the UNITED STATES of AMERICA! --- That will NEVER stop! What do think they think about you now? ----They LOVE us for what we have or Tolerate us as long as we give... BUT some to most HATE us because there are only 2 classes of people in most countries... Poor / Super Rich.
For the most part they even hate it when we go over to help because of false pride & it's embarrassing & sometimes insulting for a foreigner to help --
For the few folks that may think they know foreign lands / culture & people - STUDY history can tell you if the other governments of the world starve & deprive their own people of food & opportunity... What in the world do you think that "THEY THINK" about our FREE markets?
We can NOT change their ENVY... How can we change that? (Now some would say that they've lived abroad too & do NOT see that - I couldn't change anyone's mind about a perception they have ---- & then to say "Oh, you don't see it my way??" & then proceed to lord over folks that I've lived abroad & know better... NOPE because everyone is entitled to their own opinions - In America you can say it out in the open.
For me personally --- I have NO illusions about how the REAL WORLD SEES the U.S.A...
BUT I also know that at lease 95% of the worlds population is living in squaller & that if given the choice most people of the world would trade their life for your life without question.
Congratulations to our NEW President! - Just hopes he focuses on taking care of us here first before trying to pretend that he knows anything about repairing what he thinks is wrong with AMERICA by asking every country how can we stop offending you...? The new change may be in compromising some of our security or freedoms even more than we wanted just to appease governments who could careless about us.
Since everyone has come over here from every country & usually stays here -we know what they think about their own country... "It's nice to visit their home lands every so often as a nice reminder of why they left in the first place..."
GOOD Question "OP"
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Posted: 11/5/2008 1:18:31 AM | wexus: I appreciate your service to our country.
Remember that our generals will inform your president regardless of what political party he may serve. Our Generals will meet with Obama and advise him on the issues that are pertinent to you. Obama does not see himself as a General, but as any president-elect will have, he has the rights to the inteligence every General has. Obama is a newbie to such information so, you should have some patience and allow our new President to formulate a strategy condusive to his General's advice. Long story short. . . .our Generals still control our military. Be patient. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2008 2:04:44 AM | Got no problems with that... BUT Commander in Chief is the actual title they give to the President & that what ever he says GOES... As Presidents are Diplomats & People as well. Obama has to see himself as the the Commander in Chief & that his word is FINAL no matter what anyone says. Only Congress or Senate can challenge him or the People directly...
Personally I don't think Presidents have very much impact on anyone's life if they just do their job of perceived to actual power position...( like don't mess with us etc.) - BUT the Congress & Senate DO...
Generals implement what the Commander in Chief decides. Generals DO NOT CONTROL our Military they are part of "it" & assist with implementation.
BUT personally I just want some breathing room with gas / food / water / electric & some entertainment. I really don't care about the troubles of the world as I can't feed or fight everyone... I can only help other in my little circle...(I've tried to hold back the tide of the rising ocean- I can't do it).
BUT Thanks for posting the topic & thanks for the response - Glad your up this late!
TAKE CARE -
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Posted: 11/5/2008 12:36:56 PM | I think that McCains exit speech painted an interesting portrait. McCain needed to shush the audience repeatedly, amid catcalls and boos over praise for Obama. I'm a young white male, yet I couldn't help but see some segments of the audience as aggrandized white trash, dressed up in their pressed Sunday finery, with polished shoes, and hateful button-black eyes.
My dear..this is politics! We have those on both sides!! | |
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Posted: 11/5/2008 1:10:11 PM | Cup o Noodles
yet I couldn't help but see some segments of the audience as aggrandized white trash, dressed up in their pressed Sunday finery, with polished shoes, and hateful button-black eyes.
What a naïve observation! Ethnic voters overwhelmingly as a percentage, voted for Obama not because of his politics, but because of his race. On one hand, it shows that America has taken perhaps the ultimate step to prove that any individual can arise from the American melting pot and become the leader of the most important country on the planet. What happened yesterday is truly monumental--the United States elected a black President. On the other hand, voting for him simply because he is not euro-Caucasian is an unsophisticated use of one’s voting choice.
The almost one-half of Americans who voted for McCain did not do so because he is euro-Caucasian and Obama is not.
The choice presented to the voters was sold by the media, except for talk radio, as either a “time for change” (whatever that means, given Obama’s unstated agenda and sketchy background) or “Bush’s 3rd term” (whatever that means, given McCain’s dubious status within the Republican party as being a fringe member beholden to his own whims instead of towing the party line).
As an aside, I wish Obama well, but now the liberals and Democrats risk eventual voter wrath since they now firmly control not only the executive branch of the government (and most of the judicial branch), but also the legislative branch (which in turn, is controlled by the Big Money Special Interests). Congress has always been the point man as to whether true change will occur, or whether the Big Money Special Interests continue their ongoing viral spread into gaining control of our lives.
Expanding the influence of a government--that has been growing increasingly incompetent and self-and-special interest serving for decades now--is an unnerving proposition. May God bless America. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2008 1:30:29 PM | | I pray that Barack Obama surround himself with people who have a modicum of an idea of how to run a country and if Joe Biden's predictions come true, that he have someone who knows how to handle the catastrophe Joe feels most certain will test Obama's mettle. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2008 2:27:50 PM | OP...
I think that the rest of the world won't see our 'business as usual' --and that can't be a bad thing.
Barack Obama IS the American Dream...
I am in awe of the simple beauty of this man being recognized as a beacon of hope for so many, Black, White, Yellow, Brown, Red...
--and, it doesn't matter your religion...
--His gentle strength and warmth is what we have been starving for the last eight years
and I can feel a quiet pride welling up in me, warm and satisfied, with his grace and intelligence as our country's new leader.
I think the parts of the world, that have been paying attention, can feel it, too! 
Yes, OP...
Barack Obama IS the Civil Rights Movement personified:
He is man of respect, both deserving of ...and giving of it
This is what my favorite teachers (the Hippie ones!) left me with when the details of their lessons
fade and rust in my memory with un-use: A warm, simple, genuine
offer of (mutual) respect goes a long way in any relationship...
Who would YOU want shaking the hand of foreign and domestic dignitaries... Obama or McCain? 
...I can breathe, now. It has been a LONG eight years! | |
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Posted: 11/5/2008 2:35:15 PM | Old age and treachery will ultimately triumph over youth and dreams.
I hope Obama is old enough and jaded enough to truly understand that many of the world's leaders (many of them being his senior by many years) from other parts really are not out for the answers that Miss America contestants frequently offer about what they want to see more of in the world. How will the rest of the world see the U.S.'s leadership now? Possibly as being young and immature. The first tests will be very very important. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2008 5:28:42 PM | I am very very excited and can honestly feel the change within, a sense of calm, I feel a sense of relief first of all that the "People" picked Barrack Obama as the President which means it's not about race but who can do the job, and secondly the fact that he is African American makes it a whole lot better because people are starting to see that ethnicity is also intelligent, creative, poised, educated, caring, and responsible... a brotha is in charge of the US! that says alot especially after what we "african americans" have endured for years.
I think the rest of the world will have new respect for Obama and African American people, because we always had it within, just needed the chance without being repressed, Obama is going to be our new mirror reflecting a major change in all of us.
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Posted: 11/5/2008 6:20:11 PM | | Baratone Bass I agree with you 100%, I feel there is finally hope now. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2008 7:04:58 PM | I think if Obama does the same thing Reagan did (surround himself with extremely intelligent, capable people) he will do great. I think Biden as VP was a really smart decision, in that he is strong in qualities that Obama is lacking - mainly experience & foreign policy. It would also be smart for him to make sure he also listens to conservatives as well when he governs, so he can be a true uniter. GW Bush said the same thing when he ran, & we all know how that turned out...
Also, I think Obama hires about 1,000 Secret Service members, as you know there are hateful **stards out there looking to take him out! | |
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Posted: 11/5/2008 7:38:34 PM | What a naïve observation! Ethnic voters overwhelmingly as a percentage, voted for Obama not because of his politics, but because of his race.
My observation is naive because you assert that 'ethnic' voters cast their vote behind his race, and not intellect, charisma, hopeful ideology, etc? You do realize that you're being a hypocrite? I still assert that I saw those booing on principle against Obama while McCain spoke as small-minded, cloistered upper-middle class republicans.
You state my assertion is naive, yet go on to paint with a laughably broad brush.  | |
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Posted: 11/5/2008 11:20:27 PM | "We can NOT change their ENVY... How can we change that?"
I teach for an International University with students from all over the world. Not students in the US. Not a US school. We "changed that" when we attacked Iraq and passed the Patriot Act. As a result of the Patriot Act there are 26 countries with more freedoms than we have.
Like you working in a foreign country many of my students have worked as ex-patriates in several different countries. I don't know which countries you were in, but I know many countries in Europe that have many immigrant communities. I know that the immigrant communities in france are already causing the French concerns over the cultural differences in clothing. The African community in the UK that I am aware of has an entire grocery system for their foods (it was one of our projects). Try using an Oyster card on the transit system in London and you will quickly see the country is culturally and racially diverse.
Clearly you and I have had different experiences in our virtual and physical travels through Europe. Maybe we went to different countries. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2008 11:27:19 PM | This is what I posted to my class today in response to some of their "Oh what a night" posts... (I use the word convicted because we are talking about having convictions this week).
"This being said by a person who had no idea how much stress I was carrying on this election and I am still crying. Obviously with joy.
I do remember an election with this anxiety. Kennedy when I was in high school. I remember my sister busing to march for civil rights. I remember fighting for the 18 year old vote. I remember the loss of John, Robert and Martin.
Obama won the white male vote.
Obama won 81% of the Hilary vote
Obama won the youth vote.
Obama won the hispanic vote
We didn't elect an African American... we elected an American we are convicted can organize this community we call America and take her in a new direction ... and it will take time.
That he happens to be an African American makes the victory historical and all the more sweet. That he was voted in on what he can do is what blasts the race card to smitherings. We actually achieved race blindness. I am so proud of us. " | |
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Posted: 11/6/2008 2:12:51 AM | JadeMuse,
The rest of the world won't see our "business as usual?' I don't understand what that means, or why you think it's good.
President-Elect Obama is the American Dream? God help us if many Americans agree with you about that.
I consider a President who has several more or less close associates that vehemently hate the U.S., who regrets that its Constitution isn't of more help in confiscating money from some Americans to give to others, who was reluctant to wear a flag pin, and whose First Lady was never proud to be an American until a few months ago anything but a beacon of hope for this country. More like a harbinger of a government that favors patriarchal control of its citizens and appeasement of its foreign enemies. But I'm sure Mr. Obama's election makes Mr. Putin very hopeful he can move against Ukraine--almost certainly Russia's next target--without provoking the U.S. to anything more than words.
You say the "gentle strength," "warmth," "grace," and "intelligence" you sense in Mr. Obama make you feel warm, satisfied, and quietly proud. I'm sure Mr. Obama's pleased that millions of voters used equally analytical, relevant, and fact-based criteria to evaluate his fitness to be President. It's been widely recognized for many centuries that the first duty of ANY government is to protect its citizens from external threats. But God forbid that a reasoned evaluation of a presidential candidate's ability to do that--and to perform all his other duties skillfully and faithfully should count for more than the feelings he elicits from us.
Count on it, the parts of the world we should be most concerned about have been paying close attention. For example, the theocrats in Tehran heard Mr. Obama describe Iran as a "tiny country" that was no threat to the U.S. They also heard him say he'd talk with the highest officials there without preconditions. The Islamist regime that has ruled Iran since 1979 (and which that renowned patriot President Carter did so much to usher in) has murdered hundreds of Americans, both civilian and military, during its 29 years. It claims it is pursuing nuclear power only for electricity--a transparent lie--as it goes all out to make an atom bomb.
Mr. Obama could not have told these fanatic enemies of Israel and the U.S. more clearly that he will not use force to end their nuclear ambitions. Once Tehran has a few atom bombs--possibly as soon as next year--its main proxy Hizbollah and the many other terrorist organizations it controls will have them to use. There is no way to deter suicidal terrorists from bringing one of these weapons to a U.S. city and setting it off. No examination of the debris could identify the nation responsible with even a fraction of the certainty a President would need to order a counterstrike that might kill hundreds of thousands.
Mr. Obama's personal achievements certainly deserve respect. But I hope you don't believe the calculating leaders of Russia or China would be so silly as to adopt a friendlier policy toward the U.S. just because President Obama extended them a warm, simple offer of mutual respect. If so, you're confusing personal relationships with national ones. For Presidents, that's not only a mistake, but also a dangerous one. President Bush made it with Vladimir Putin, when he convinced himself that by gazing into his eyes he'd sensed the goodness of his soul. This July, Russia invaded Georgia. It then threatened to target missile defense radars the U.S. plans to build in Eastern Europe; and recently, it has sent large warships into the Arabian Sea and to ports in Syria, Venezuela, and Cuba--all regimes hostile to the U.S.
President Kennedy said during the 1960 campaign he'd talk with Khruschev in person. A few months after taking office, he did. By all accounts, Khrushchev ignored Kennedy's charm and badgered him with scolding lectures on the many misdeeds of America. Back from Vienna, Kennedy admitted "He just beat the hell out of me." Khrushchev came away convinced Kennedy was immature and could not stand up to him. Two months later, work started on the Berlin Wall. A year later, Khrushchev gambled on sneaking nuclear missiles into Cuba. When to his surprise Kennedy discovered the ruse, blockaded Cuba, and made clear he would bomb the missile sites if necessary, it seemed like World War III might start any day.
I don't give two hoots in hell whether any other nation likes the U.S. Statesmanship is not a popularity contest, and nations act in their own interests. If that interest dictates cooperation with the U.S., they will cooperate--even if they despise us. If you doubt that, consider the alliance America and England had with Stalin's USSR. Or the 1939-40 alliance between then USSR and Hitler's Germany.
The leaders of foreign nations, especially ones that are our adversaries, would have been far more cautious about testing John McCain's resolve than they will be about testing Barack Obama's. Sen. Biden was right, for once, when he predicted Obama will be tested by an international crisis. What a comfort that he can count on Joe Biden, that self-proclaimed foreign affairs expert, right? Hardly. Almost every statement Mr. Biden made about foreign affairs in his debate with Gov. Palin was false. The mainstream media, scrupulously even-handed as ever, scrutinized Ms. Palin's every word but completely ignored six glaring misstatements by her "expert" opponent. Several commenters who actually care about facts have analyzed these in detail. My favorite: Biden stated authoritatively that NATO went into Lebanon and drove Hizbollah from power. That's even less true than the claim he made elsewhere that President Roosevelt addressed the nation on TV when the stock market crashed in 1929--three years before he was first elected, and long before any President made a televised address. | |
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Posted: 11/6/2008 6:51:30 AM | Matchless...
BLAH. BLAH. BLAH.
Your little rants can't remove my good, warm-fuzzies about this man!
Your cynical heart will never be able to see what I see easily in people...
Too bad... The view is quite pleasant!  | |
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Posted: 11/6/2008 8:30:15 AM | "The problems of the world cannot possibly be solved
by skeptics or cynics whose horizons are limited
by the obvious realities.
We need men who can dream of things that never were."
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Posted: 11/6/2008 9:40:14 AM | "I don't give two hoots in hell whether any other nation likes the U.S. Statesmanship is not a popularity contest, and nations act in their own interests."
How amazingly unchristian a statement. Whatever happened to "love one another as I have loved you" ????
ok... I get it ... this is the "me" generation to the very sick extreme.
I am sooooooooo glad we have reached the end of the self-centered and self-absorbed. | |
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Posted: 11/6/2008 9:46:09 AM | "McCain needed to shush the audience repeatedly"
So what was wrong about that? They were reasonably disapprointed it and expressing their feelings of disappointment. Of course they booed and hissed and made all the disappointed noises.
I thought McCain stepped up to the first healing words needed after such a contnetious campaign. He and Obama are going to have to work together because McCain is a member of congress. I thought Obama responded with equally gracious and healing remarks. Everybody involved in all the various campaigns now has to put all of that aside and get to work with each other. That's the way it works. their fans don't have to do that, so they get to express their disappointment. | |
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Posted: 11/6/2008 9:54:17 AM | Sockpuppeteer: " a “time for change” (whatever that means, given Obama’s unstated agenda and sketchy background)"
Awwwwwwww... and I have had so much respect for you in the past. Obama's background isn't the least sketchy and his agenda is clearly stated on his website and in his speeches. He has been very straightforward about it. He has even been honest about the fact that it isn't going to happen fast. He's been so honest that he even said during the campaign that health care reform comes after other priorities and might not even get it's turn for focus until a second term. Go look and listen. It is also repeated over and over again on the politcal threads on pof.
" since they [democrats] now firmly control not only the executive branch of the government (and most of the judicial branch), but also the legislative branch "
No they don't. They are six seats short of preventing Republican philibusters. Only if they get the six Republicans to switch sides can they get things through. This is why they weren't able to counteract Bush the last 2 years. Congress was still Republican controlled with philibusters. Now there are less that have to switch sides to create change, but it is not a Dem controlled congress. | |
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