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 CoreyD1086

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Posted: 11/5/2008 10:25:59 PM
It was a sad day for America when Obama was elected president yesterday. I see nothing but problems ahead for us because the middle class will most certainly be affected the hardest. The people that will benefit are the people on welfare that know how to work the system and the rich. People like me that work hard, pay taxes, and when something goes wrong financially no one will help us. Do you guys honestly believe that Obama is going to bail the average joe out. No he will continue to give welfare to people that are too lazy to work and illegals that do not speak English and expect to be waited on hand and foot. Lets not forget the major corporations like Ford and GM that are too big to fail. All your hard earned money is going to go to people that do not deserve it. If you are a church goer be careful because this could spell the end of the Christian religions as we know it. I still think that Obama is not a legal U.S. citizen and the Middle East is celebrating because this is their ticket into our country.
 anyoneoutthier

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Posted: 11/6/2008 2:49:32 AM
Right on this fair share sure helps the dead beats and i hate to thinkm that my hard earned tax dollars will help these usless people that wont get off thier dead beat asses or the ones that are afraid to get thier hands dirty. He said he wanted to rasie the min. wage but he had a chance 2 years ago and congress said no but they sure gave them selves a rasie. He talks about a fair share the only way that would happen is if thier was a flat rate tax.
 CoreyD1086

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Posted: 11/6/2008 10:32:53 AM
It is a shame that are politicians are able to give themselves a pay raise whenever they feel like it using our tax dollars but if someone like us wants a pay raise we have to wait until the company approves it. One of my biggests fears is that by the time I am 65 there will be no more social security to go around even though I have been paying into it for years now. I think that Obama will continue to dip into social security to fund the war effort. I completely agree that there should be a flat tax.
 lookinatit

Joined: 5/29/2008
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Posted: 11/6/2008 11:20:59 AM
I for one am disappointed in the majority of the American people for buying in to all this tripe and the Electoral College for just handing this election over to the worse of the two choices. The leeches and parasites will have a feeding frenzy for sure. Mark my words, street crime will increase all over the country because some people think they'll get a free pass. I am really curious how this guy thinks he can fix the employment situation in this country. My guess is he doesn't have a clue. The local elections were a big letdown too. How could anybody but a moron vote for a certain candidate (the biggest phony of all) who sounds like she just got off the plantation (she's slithered around this state for a few decades). Hopefully in four years people will wake up. That is, if its not too late.
 nipoleon

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Posted: 11/6/2008 10:20:28 PM
Well, if you guys think it's such an easy life, why don't you quit your jobs and get in on some of that Wellfare money ? Start working the system like they do and retire to an easy life.

Who do you think the goverment just gave $700 billion too, a bunch of Wellfare queens ? Who did the goverment just sign off $2 trillion too, a bunch of Mexican indigents ?

Here is an excerpt of an aticle from moneyandmarkets.com


Sean Brodrick writes: By the time you read this, America will have a new President. I hope he's better with money than the last resident of the White House. Just look at how the Bush gang is spending the $700 billion bailout package for banks — throwing it at financial institutions with few strings attached.

As a result, many Wall Street institutions are using billions and billions of taxpayer dollars to pay for fat cats' bonuses.



Goldman Sachs, which is getting $10 billion from the bailout plan, is paying out $6.85 billion in bonuses, according to media reports. That's $210,000 per employee. And that's despite a 47% drop in its profit and 53% drop in its share price.
Morgan Stanley, which is also getting $10 billion from our government, is doling out $6.44 billion in bonuses or $138,700 per employee, even though its profits tumbled 41% and its shares are off by 69%.
And even the failures at Lehman Brothers are collectively getting over $1 billion in bonuses.


Some conservatives have been bemoaning the “nationalization” of America's big banks. Yet we didn't nationalize anything — we don't control those banks. They're free to spend the bailout money as they please.

And we got hosed.

If Only We Got A Deal Like Buffett Did …

Just compare the deal Uncle Sam got for Goldman Sachs shares to the deal Warren Buffett made.

Warren Buffett invested $5 billion in Goldman Sachs in return for preferred stock and warrants to purchase common stock in the future. Buffett's preferred shares pay a sweet 10% dividend.

But Goldman and the other big financial institutions needed more money to cover their bad bets.

So, 20 days later, Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson came along and made an investment for preferred stock and warrants in nine banks. Only the government's preferred shares pay a measly 5% dividend.


Thanks for looking out for us, Hank!
It gets worse …

United Steelworkers Union president Leo Gerard recently wrote in a letter to Paulson that seems to ooze anger:

“Dollar for dollar, Buffett received at least seven and perhaps up to 14 times more warrants than the Treasury did, and his warrants have more favorable terms.”

Is it relevant that Paulson used to be the head of Goldman Sachs, one of the financials being bailed out?

Heck yeah!

Under his stewardship, Uncle Sam ended up paying $125 billon for what Warren Buffett thought was worth just $62.5 billion.

If the rest of the $700 billion bailout is dispersed using the same math, we'll be gifting $350 billion to America's biggest bankers — those bonuses have to come from somewhere — and then overpaying for what the other $350 billion buys us.

One Thing the Banks Are Not Doing With the Money:
Loaning It Out Like They Were Supposed To …

In their defense, the banks are saying that no one is queuing up for loans. Su-u-u-u-re. Just tell that to any auto dealer who can't get money together to make payroll.

One place where big investment houses and banks did decide to put money to work was in shorting stocks.

A bunch of financial firms lined up to short Volkswagen. It seemed like a smart move, right? Cars sales are tanking. Problem is, at the same time, Porsche was stealthily buying Volkswagen shares until it acquired a controlling interest. Then the short squeeze was on. Those bailed-out firms suddenly had to cover their short positions and lost billions of dollars.

Some of them lost more on the Volkswagen deal than they ever lost on Lehman Brothers imploding!

The banks' post-bailout behavior — no loans, blowing bailout money on bad investments — irked Barney Frank, chairman of the U.S. House of Representatives Financial Services Committee, one of the people who helped Paulson ram the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 (EESA) through Congress.

Frank is supposed to be one of the “smart ones” in Congress. Here's what he had to say:

“I am deeply disappointed that a number of financial institutions are distorting the legislation that Congress passed at the President's request to respond to the credit crisis by making funds available for increased lending. Any use of these funds for any purpose other than lending — for bonuses, for severance pay, for dividends, for acquisitions of other institutions, etc. — is a violation of the terms of the Act.”

Nice words. Too bad they're as hollow as a rotten log.

The language of the bailout does talk about homeowner assistance … limit executive pay … provide for government audits … etc. But it doesn't dictate serious limits on how the banks can use the money. Barney Frank may have thought he had an understanding with Paulson, Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke and the big banks.

But that's like having an understanding with Al Capone.

Seriously … If Frank is as smart as everyone says he is, and he's making a deal with banks that have already shown they're capable of blowing hundreds of billions of dollars on derivatives, shouldn't he demand what he expects from them in writing before handing them a big bag of our money?

I guess I shouldn't single out Congressman Frank. Plenty of others in Congress went along with Paulson's plan. They say you get the leaders you deserve. But did we really deserve this?

The $700 Billion Bailout Is a BIG, FAT FAILURE!

Have you heard the chuckleheads on CNBC line up to say: “The government can end up making money on this bailout”?

Sure, when pigs fly!

The plan is that as the housing market recovers, the government will sell its holdings — all that worthless mortgage paper from the banks — and recoup its money. Never mind that many of those mortgages will never pay off … that there was outright fraud … that inflation is going to eat up any remaining value of the collateralized debt obligations.

In short, this plan won't work.

The sad thing is this $700 billion financial Frankenstein is just a drop in the bucket of the wholesale looting of the public purse that has gone on under the Bush Administration. Over the past eight years, Bush added approximately $5 trillion to the national debt ceiling.

The point of my rant here is that the U.S. government has blown $700 billion — and much more — bailing out criminals in pin-striped suits who got themselves into a multi-billion-dollar mess of their own devising, and then they insist on giving themselves bonuses !

It's High Time to Stop Bailing Out These Bums …

There is going to be another bailout. I know, after all the facts I've laid out for you here, you probably want another government bailout like you want to have your liver extracted by a guy with a switchblade.

But as long as Washington can print money, they'll throw it at problems. So I have a suggestion for the next President: Stop bailing out Wall Street fat cats.

I don't care how much they scream about how they're the underpinning of America's financial system. If Wall Street bankers cannot survive after all the money we've thrown at them, tell them to drop off the banks' keys at the U.S. Capitol. We'll find someone else who can do the job.

And while we still have some money left in the Treasury … while the U.S. dollar still holds some value … please spend the money on something useful.

And consider …

Nearly one in five U.S. mortgage borrowers owe more to lenders than their homes are worth. And the rate may soon approach one in four. About 7.63 million properties, or 18%, had negative equity in September, according to a report by First American CoreLogic.
Manufacturing in the U.S. contracted in October at the fastest pace in 26 years.
Over one million jobs have been lost in the last 12 months. In September, another 159,000 jobs disappeared.
Never mind recession — we could be headed for Depression.


The Wall Street bankers played the economy like a casino and lost. Then, they came begging to the government to bail them out ( with taxpayers money ).
That's where your real Wellfare is !
That's where the real threat to our economy is.

I don't know if the Democrats have the guts to stand up to the Corporations and the Wall Street pirates but George Bush and the Republicans sure didn't.
 CoreyD1086

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Posted: 11/7/2008 10:47:32 AM
The problem with the honest people like ourselves is we can not get welfare because we are either not the right skin color or the wrong sex. I am not against anyone receiving help but when a single person like me is told I do not qualify for welfare because I do not work enough hours only to hear the case worker tell the girl next to me go home and have another kid and we will triple what you are getting. Just like the big corporations including GM and Ford. GM says it will run out of cash by 2009. Let these companies go under and start helping people that really need help. Obama is going to help his people out and not the ones that really need help. The honest working people that always pay their bills on time and something happened to their job and now they need some help. Also what about the banks that tricked people into getting a home they could not afford with a variable rate. These are the banks that want a bailout. I wonder how many illegals were allowed to vote that put Obama in office. I as a democrat voted for Mcain but our efforts were ruined by people that had no interest in politics came out of the wood work to put someone into office that will give them a free ride.
 kevininlasvegas

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Posted: 11/7/2008 12:45:26 PM
I was reading posts in craigslist and somebody did a web search..If people gross more than $58,000 a year they are in the top 5% of wage earners in the U S. Tax cuts for 95% of working people means you must earn less than $55,000 a year.With my union job I do not fall into that category..so I know my taxes will go up. Time to cut back on what I spend. No more steaks, no new TVs for my house, can't replace my mattress on the bed. List goes on and on. Time to eliminate some trips from next years budget. Instead of 10 trips out of state it's now 4.
 CoreyD1086

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Posted: 11/8/2008 7:22:35 PM
All I can say is it appears that the tax cuts will continue to go to the wealthy and the poor but the middle class continues to be screwed on this deal. I have been in Las Vegas for about two years now and it is pretty bad when the casions like the Bellagio, Wynn, and Mirage just to name a few are operating in the red and have to lay off people. It used to be you could come to Vegas and get a job anywhere you wanted to even pick up a second job. People can't even walk into a McDonalds and get a job. Mr. Bush did not have the time to fix this problem but Mr. Obama is going to make it worse. Pretty soon his people will never have to work because of all the welfare but if something should happen to our jobs there will be no welfare for us.
 drea922

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Posted: 11/8/2008 7:26:22 PM
surely this thread was meant as a joke, right? It is filled with so many inaccuracies it has to be a joke, right?
 CoreyD1086

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Posted: 11/10/2008 5:33:56 PM
No this thread is not meant as a joke. I speak the truth. I am a democrat but even I can tell when someone is the devil and spells the end of Christianity. My thoughts are now every single illegal from across the world will enter our country and want a free handout, which is something I do not want anymore. I am tired of people that do not work are taking my hard earned money and tax dollars. When a person like me would need some help there is none to be found because all the illegals are receiving it. My thoughts are if you are here illegally leave. Obama has never proven he is a U.S. born citizen which means he has no right to be our president.
 frankyiee

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Posted: 11/10/2008 8:37:14 PM
the ford family has been sucking the blood out of ford for generations---general motors has had a hsitory for the last 15 years of bad mistakes---large cars---etc. It is common today to speak 2 or 3 languages and the sooner you learn this the better---the bigger they are the harder they fall---and we are going into a depression my friend---why---because bush and his friends relaxed the banking laws--- and even took out the uptick on shorting out---this is dumb. Most rich people do not pay tax like offshore accounts--tax shelters--trusts etc. Now you say the people on welfare---what is corporate welfare---You are right the gms the fords do not deserve to be bailed out--but they will be because it is cheaper to bail them out then to have the whole state on welfare. Christion religion all crap where is so called christ when our young boys are getting killed in the middle east---and the the reason why the middle east is happy is that they are muslims anti west anti jewish anti religion--uneduacted fools. I am happy to pay tax and lucky I make more than enough to suport other people and have the ability to be an earner---best of luck my friend but short the market --frank
 kpsuper

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Posted: 11/11/2008 10:17:13 AM

All I can say is it appears that the tax cuts will continue to go to the wealthy...


I'm not so sure about that. Have you looked at what Obama plans to tax those making over $250,000? According to his tax plan those making over $250,000 are going to have to pay upwards of 38-40% of their income to pay federal taxes. That's quite a significant leap from previous years.
 laxref41

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Posted: 11/11/2008 12:16:24 PM
CoreyD...

"Obama has never proven he is a U.S. born citizen which means he has no right to be our next president."

At least READ the U.S. Constitution before you make these outlandish remarks. The conservative right is playing you... they use the same philosophy as church... come in, open your brain, be quiet and we'll tell you what everything really means and what you should think and if anyone questions it or disagrees with it, well then they're an unpatriotic heathen who will burn in hell. So stop listening to Limbaugh, Hannity and the Fox Infomercial Network and actually READ YOUR CONSTITUTION.

It says that to become a U.S. President you EITHER have to be natually born in the U.S. (in other words, you can be the son or daughter of an illegal immigrant born in the U.S., which makes you a U.S. citizen) OR you are born to a U.S. citizen. Since no one questions that Obama's mother was a U.S. citizen... he is a U.S. citizen and therefore, by definition of the U.S. Constitution, he has every right to be president. READ IT !
 laxref41

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Posted: 11/11/2008 12:32:15 PM
Obama has the most difficult job before him of any U.S. president since Franklin D. Roosevelt and Abraham Lincoln. But he has something to prove and it's readily apparent from his demeanor and the staunch determination in his eyes.

Will he raise taxes? I'm sure he will... he has to... we have a $ 400 billion annual deficit and our national debt is over $ 10 trillion, so the only real question is to what extent will he raise taxes. Cutting taxes while overspending does not work... that's what we've done under the conservative republican movement for the last 25 years... it does not work! We've maxed out the credit card and now we barely have enough to pay the interest on the debt and have enough left over to effectively run the country. Obama has to come up with a combination of enough spending cuts and incremental tax revenue to equal $ 1350 for every man, woman and child just for the U.S. to annually break even... more if we're going to begin paying off this debt and not leaving it for our children and grandchildren.
Considering the hard facts above, this whole idea that Obama is going to tax the middle class and just give money away to more people who don't work is idiotic.

One primary investment will likely be in a national energy policy focussed on renewable sources: solar, geothermal, wind and hydroelectric / tidal power... all a bit costly in initial capital investment but then there are no ongoing costs for fuel or waste and they can be established to have minimal effect on the environment. I suspect this could be as big a program as NASA going to the moon in the 60s and the developments from the research will spawn other industries long into the future.
Drilling for more oil is a very short term solution and it distracts our focus from becoming energy independent. Additionally, to make this drilling economically worthwhile, the price has to stay high. And if you truly want security, then stop being a glutton for oil.
Nuclear... VERY costly... still no good means to handle waste product... and still a chance for catastrophic risk... particularly when you consider terrorism.
Coal... VERY costly to burn cleanly and it has the same issues as oil... it's a still a dirty natural resource.

Another investment will be early childhood education. I wouldn't be surprised to see formal public school education moving toward a starting age of 3 years old instead of 5 or 6. Research is clear, the earlier one starts childhood education, the more likely they will graduate high school and a better educated population will deliver a superior, globally-competitive economy in the future. I also wouldn't be surprised to see other educational incentives for college in the areas of math and science.

Tax increases... no doubt the wealthiest 5% of the U.S. population is going to get hit. 3% of overall wealth has moved from the bottom 20% poor to the top 5% over the last 25 years. This can't happen any longer since it creates a class based society. I wouldn't be surprised to see some form of increased tax on corporations and personally on the executives if the top 10% or 20% of the employees receive a grossly disproportionate share of the business' wealth (e.g. no more $ 120 million parachutes for a single individual while the company is laying off employees). Chapter 11 bankruptcy laws also need changing such that if a company subsequently becomes profitable, it repays all or some of its old debt obligations. The result will be increased spending on capital improvements for the business... so the people at the top can make more if they have a bigger business with a bigger base of employees doing well.

Last but not least... the military... the budget will definitely be cut. The question is what parts of the budget in order to ensure continued security. I suspect we'll probably be less likely to enter war alone... but there will be more cooperative United Nations efforts... and we'll focus more on covert missions and a new peace corps. More young, better educated Americans will travel to underprivileged parts of the world to work and educate and establish better relationships with their populations. Like healthcare, if you want to avoid getting sick then you have to work on staying healthy... and if you want to avoid war, you have to work on bringing peace and prosperity and tolerance to the world.

I think we've elected Robert F. Kennedy in black skin as the U.S. President.
"Some men see things as they are and say why. I dream things that never were and say why not?"
 No Fences

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Posted: 11/13/2008 11:20:45 AM
Why the heck didn't I think of this? Tax the crap out of anyone that makes more than 40K a year and give it ALL to the people that don't work! Especially illegals and minorities. ( I think I will renounce my citizenship and become Canadian.) They should be able to pull in 50 or 60k! If they have a couple more kids, lets bump it up to 70 or 80K. Our country will FLOURISH! Think of all the money those people will spend and stimulate our economy! People will run to our country to take advantage of this and spend all of their money here. If I'd have known I could win on that platform, I would have run for President myself. A day late and a dollar short.

Sorry, the sarcasm just wouldn't stay in me.

Nice job laxref. I'm not sure I agree with everything you said, but well presented.
 nipoleon

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Posted: 11/13/2008 12:53:32 PM
It is a testament to how ingrained and successful the brainwashing has become.

The guy on top gets to make as much money as he wants.
The CEO gets to drive the company into the ditch and get away with millions.
But, don't blame him....
Blame those lazy people on the bottom who refused to work for a living.

The top guy makes $million a year and that has no effect on anything, in fact he deserves it.
But, give the guys on the bottom 50 cents extra and that'll bankrupt the business.

When business goes sour, lay off the guys on the bottom, cut back hours.
But, don't ever think that $500,000 bonus to the guy on top has anything to do with it.
 CoreyD1086

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Posted: 11/13/2008 8:10:59 PM
How has our country gotten into this situation. I can not agree with you more. Take the casino industry. The CEO of the MGM-Mirage corporation and the other higher ups receive millions in bonuses but yet they decide to layoff about 400 middle management workers that make about 40k just to save the company money. Now they have taken part-timers and placed them on call and the full-timers are either being layed off or reduced to 32 hours a week. It is pretty sad when the outgoing president of Bellagio receives a brand new Ferrai (sorry if I mispelled). How many new cars do they need or how much money do they really want. Obama will make his millions along with the CEO's of corporation and spread the wealth to the illegals and people on welfare but the honest working people will not receive a penny. Good luck getting unemployment if you lose your job because if you are not a minority they will question why you lost your job and if you are looking for work.
 drea922

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Posted: 11/14/2008 2:41:49 PM
It is a testament to how ingrained and successful the brainwashing has become.

Nipoleon Those words are even more true now than the last 8 years it seems!

I wish I could be brainwashed this way ..maybe I could be susceptible to stop smoking hypnosis then lol.

BARACK OBAMA is a christian. How can you say he is destroying christianity? He is more a witness to christianity than most of those I see calling themselves christians but spreading hate and fear about the innocent.

Frankly I keep thinking Jesus is weeping listening to those who call themselves christians spreading such hate and intolerance. I keep thinking what a surprise there will be when the rapture comes and all those hate filled 'christians' are left standing there wondering what the hell happened.

You have been misled by Karl Rove politics. Do some research and get some facts and talk a bit more to God about that hate inside you.
 CoreyD1086

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Posted: 11/14/2008 3:12:09 PM
If Obama is a christian then why is he in favor of the Freedom of Choice Act for the unborn. Last time I checked Obama distanced himself from his Baptist church. It does not matter what religion you are but when Jan 20 comes around and Obama does not place his hand on the bible that means he is not a christian. Obama didn't even know when life began. It begins at conception not after a baby is born. The Catholic church was not in favor of Obama because everyone knows that he plans to bring in a bunch of illegals from the middle east into our country. He even received a call from the President of Iran when he was elected. No other president was congradulated by Iran, Iraq or any other middle east country. In Phoenix they are teaching children about Muslim faith and it does not matter if a child wants to say the pledge of allegiance. Mr. Obama will continue to support these acts because he wants to run this country into the ground. If I ever needed any type of public assistance I would not receieve any because I am not a minority. I should be a minority since I still speack English. We still do not know if Obama is a U.S. born citizen. His father was from Kenya but we know nothing about his mother since he was abandoned when he was young by his mother. God Bless you for supporting a man that wants to kill the unborn. May God forgive you. A message to those here illegally your time is coming so enjoy your freedom while you still have it. After four years there will be better change.
 drea922

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Posted: 11/18/2008 7:13:48 PM
I don't know yet what anyone else said, but the response to me was

I am a democrat but even I can tell when someone is the devil and spells the end of Christianity.


I am simply flabbergasted by that statement I admit. Whose God do you hear? sounds a bit like the one the jihadist listen to who says we are the devils, the demons that must be destroyed. Do you not see the error of all this hate?? Can you not see you are both listening to something that is not based on love? Is that your heart or a head filled with propaganda? Do you really think Jesus would judge in this way?


Are you aware I wonder that the Bush/Rove/Rumsfield/Cheney reign in Iraq has obliterated the christians in that country? There were christians who worshiped without fear in Iraq, but since we invaded that country, based on nothing but lies, all the christians have either left or beein MURDERED..how do you reconcile that with your misinformed ideas? I really would like to know..I suspect you are just ill informed...if not, what makes your ideas any different than those who call us devils? Why can't this mindset see the God you all claim is the ONE, surely does not want all this hate and murder in his name...cause each side says the same thing..the other side is the devil...
 CoreyD1086

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Posted: 11/19/2008 12:19:51 AM
Okay I am a Roman Catholic and I was not a supporter of Barack Obama. The catholic church was not in favor of him either because he didn't know when a human life began. He is pro-choice when the church is pro-life. No one in middle eastern countries is free to worship as the please so what do they do they try to come here because of the good life. I am all for immigration as long as the people receive a visa, learn English, and pay their taxes. Mr. Obama has now opened the flood gates for Muslims to enter this country illegally which is what the east wanted. If you read the bible it states the power shall rise from the East. Christianity will come to an end and in fact like I said before in the state of Arizona they are teaching kids in kindergarden about the Muslim faith which is a big no-no in my book. This is the United States of America. A country founded on Chrisitian beliefs no Middle Eastern beliefs. Do not come to my country and try to change my way of living. Obama has never proven he is a U.S born citizen so he should not be president. Just wait and see what happens in the next few months when another 9/11 occurs. There is already racial tensions in our country and we can thank Mr. Obama for that because he had no business being the presidential race. That is for U.S. citizens only.
 drea922

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Posted: 11/19/2008 10:06:13 AM

Mr. Obama has now opened the flood gates for Muslims to enter this country illegally which is what the east wanted.


I don't know where you are getting all this misinformation, but this is totally untrue. First Obama has no authority yet to do anything. Second, under Bush the borders have been wide open to allow millions of unknown illegals enter into this country and remain. I suspect we will see more done to limit that under an Obama administration. And he shows no selective affiliation to Muslims, but like it or not, many Muslims are AMERICANS too. Teaching about their faith in Arizona is simply trying to educate on FACTS because as your post shows, there is way too much erroneous information flowing.

Or don't you believe any other American has any rights except you and those who think just like you?

Please try to find real facts before continuing to spread misinformation and using the same scare tactics that this country just rejected. The facts are out there, but you have to be willing to actually listen to the other side.

As for the catholic church, their instruction was not to allow any single issue, such as pro life or pro choice to dictate who they voted for. Also, a huge percentage of loyal Catholics did indeed vote for Obama.

Are you celibate?do you use condoms? These are also views held by the Church.
 CoreyD1086

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Posted: 11/20/2008 12:09:08 AM
For once you are right that Obama does not have any authority but look at what is going on in the middle east. They have already directed threats towards our country if he continues to follow the Bush policies. It was the minority population of Catholics that voted for Obama not the white people as the exits polls showed. Look this is the USA we should not cater to Muslims since this country was founded on christianity. Take down all the signs that are in spanish, get rid of all the translaters. If I went to another country they would not cater to me, if I did not speak the language I would not get help. We speak english, read it, and write it. I do not want my future kids exposed to another country's beliefs from people that are here illegally and receiving benefits from my tax dollars. Mr. Obama may be here illegally to and soon it will all come out. My thoughts are if you do not support this country and its founding father's beliefs go back where you came from.
 mike2040

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Obama spells doom for America
Posted: 11/20/2008 10:48:13 AM
hmm. now this was the symbol of america. being intolerant, hostile and absolutely ignorant.


i think with obama as president, maybe , JUST MAYBE, people can stop running hoping they can lynch people again. being kind , understanding, and compassionate.

why do i say this. look at some of the comments being thrown. its a joke. an complete joke. the fact we "spread democracy and tolerance". this country cant even tolerate its own citizens, how in the world can teach tolerance if we, as a country cant even stand the person 2 houses down from us . btw, to the OP, congradulations on speaking on generalities and stereotypes. hopefully this will force people to act right towards different cultures and people.
 No Fences

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Posted: 11/20/2008 3:20:56 PM
We can still dream.

Some people will come around as has been happening over the years and the world will be better for it.

Some people will never change. They will just have to eat dirt and when their presence on on terra firma has passed, then the world will be a better place because of their absence.

Until then, the balance of the world population gain further lessons in the art of tolerance.
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