| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 11/9/2008 2:41:48 AM | | I'm not sure if this kind of thread has been posted or not but I want to know if anyone here believes or doesn't believe and the reason why. I myself am pretty much border line. I love going on paranormal investigations but if I see or hear something I'm not going to go out and call it a ghost. Like the show Ghost Hunters I try as hard as I possibly can to try and disprove what I've seen or heard and if there's no logical or scientific reason for it it could possibly be paranormal. | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 11/9/2008 4:06:32 AM | | No I don't not in the sense of of ghost hunters or most haunted... To be honest those kind of programmers make we laugh when you get silly people frighting themselves with frighten gasps of what was that did you see that oh my god something touched me.. Yeah right... over active imagination and what is known as the ripple effect one person screams another and another and another until they have themselves so well and truly scared they then believe they have seen of felt the presence of a ghost... | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 11/9/2008 4:44:01 AM | I wouldn't rule out possibilities but it is hard to dispute that the human imagination can be very powerful. In the middle of the night you might see something that looks odd and give yourself a good scare just by letting the imagination loose.
There are phenomenon out there that can defy explanation but I don't think that every sound in the dark is something going bump on the night. | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 11/9/2008 11:12:07 AM | I used to believe for every unexplained occurrence there had to be a logical explanation.
That was until we moved into an old house and were constantly barraged with ghostly sitings.
Almost nightly we would hear three footsteps thudding up the stairway.
Then they would slide their heavy steps along the hallway and we would be privy to a mist of sorts hovering in the doorway.
When it became apparent that these nightly visitations would never end, and the spirit became increasingly noisy in their pursuit of driving us out, we moved.
Since that time we have learned that the new owners hear and see many apparitions and are, themselves, in the process of moving.
So when someone claims they do not believe in such things I completely understand.
For until I moved into my haunted abode I was a disbeliever also. | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 11/9/2008 12:06:00 PM | Poltergeist apparently exist, but whether they are considered ghosts is up for debate. When I was a kid I was sometimes awakened by loud bangings on my wall. Most people thought that it was the house settling, but I never got that feeling. It was like someone was on the other side of my bedroom wall, which would have been in the eves, taking a sledge hammer and pounding
Around the time I was pregnant with my first child I was again awakened by pounding on my wall at the head of my bed or on the floor on my side of the bed. This time it was much less loud and more like someone knocking. My husband at the time heard it once, too, so I know that I wasn't imagining it.
There was also a poltergeist in a house about a mile away from me back in 1992. It would throw books and whatnot around. Eventually the owners moved out and the house was torn down.
These types of things are rather inexplicable and people attempt to label them as ghosts or poltergeist (which I think are supposed to be extensions of oneself and are the result of excess energy), but, in the end, I don't think we'll know anytime soon what causes these phenomena because they are random and cannot be duplicated in a lab. | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 11/9/2008 1:32:36 PM | | There is no evidence whatsoever for th existence of ghosts. If you believe in ghosts, you should believe in the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. The evidence to support it is the same. | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 11/9/2008 2:51:16 PM | No- in order to exist, my heart must be beating to keep blood flowing to every part of my body and keeps my brain from what is essentially starving to death. To believe you can continue to exist without everything that is nessary for existance is childish and foolish.
As for Ghost Hunters TV shows......how can anyone take them seriously? I mean, they have people walking around and agreeing with each other on how they can sense the actions of invisable beings- then they stop filming and bring in someone to dress up as a ghost. And of course they always agree with each other on their interpretation of what the ghost is- their interpretation is the only evidence they have that a ghost actually exists is the (convient) fact that they agree with each other.
How often do you think that these psycics plan their "senses" before they enter the haunted house?
>>>When I was a kid I was sometimes awakened by loud bangings on my wall. Most people thought that it was the house settling, but I never got that feeling.
So your interpretation of the facts, even as a child, determined reality? And your perception couldn't possibly be flawed?
When I was 10, we moved into a new house- I heard noises in the walls too- it was bats crawling around looking for bugs to eat.
>>>My husband at the time heard it once, too, so I know that I wasn't imagining it.
So you definately exerienced a ghost? There is zero other possiblities?
>>>It would throw books and whatnot around. Eventually the owners moved out and the house was torn down.
You experienced this? Or did someone simply brag about it?
Why would a ghost be attached to the house? Ghosts have no use for shelter- unless the movie Beetlejuice was true, then the ghost should have been haunting the empty lot.
Ghosts do not exist- they are simply one of two things- either an odd occurance that the observer cannot explain but must have an explaination to feel comfortable, or the people are desparate for either attention or desparate to be unique. The same has been true for aliens, bigfoot, lepracuans, mermaids and millions of other creatures that people have claimed to mysteriously have found....Ghosts defy everything we know about life and the conditions for life to exist- Ghosts exist only within our own minds. | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 11/9/2008 3:34:01 PM | Jiperly:
You quoted a lot of my post, but forgot this part:
These types of things are rather inexplicable and people attempt to label them as ghosts or poltergeist (which I think are supposed to be extensions of oneself and are the result of excess energy), but, in the end, I don't think we'll know anytime soon what causes these phenomena because they are random and cannot be duplicated in a lab.
My point is that people try to come up with explanations for things for which they have no explanation. I heard loud rhythmic bangings on a wall as a child and softer ones as an adult. Those people who look for supernatural causes will label these things as "ghosts" or other paranormal phenomena, but, in reality they are putting forth unsubstantiated hypotheses. Just because we don't know what caused a bump in the night doesn't make it a ghost. But sometimes there are bumps in the night that are not due to a house settling or to bats in a belfry. I've come to the conclusion that there are some things that have happened to me for which I will never have an explanation.
I feel the same way about people who believe in reincarnation. They look at an occurrence of someone knowing the details of a place they've never been to and claim it is "proof" for reincarnation. I look at it as something we can't explain. Period.
To deny that inexplicable events happen is a bit closed minded, but to pretend to know what is causing them is premature, without even knowing what all the possible explanations could be.
Edit to post: In regard to the house that had Poltergeist, it was on Claremont Drive in Ottawa. No, I did not know the people. There was a write-up about it in the Ottawa Citizen back in 1992 and I believe the reran it in 2002, so if you have access to archives you can look it up. I just checked the Citizen and it seems they only archive the last 30 days; otherwise, I would have given you a link to the story | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 11/9/2008 4:34:36 PM | | hi... my beliefs are now based on what the bible teaches... the bible is clear that the dead do not come back nor do they know anything...it is even specific to the point of saying believe it not if someone dea appears to you in the night.. obviously God knew this would be a counterfeit presented to doubt Gods Word... the bible also says that 1/3 of heavens angels fell to earth and that they have the power to trick and to appear in human form... there is even a quote that says angels may be next to you in church, which angel?? it does not specify... so for me, ghosts as people returned from death>no ....but dark forces with the power to do evil>yes.... there is a quote in Ephesians 6:12 that says we are not fighting flesh and blood but forces that rule in the darkness of this world and in high places... it goes on to say to put on the full armour of God to withstand.... greater is He that is in you than he that is of this world.... blessings, warmly Mona | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 11/9/2008 4:36:53 PM | Yes, I believe in ghosts...or whatever label one wishes to give to unseen energies, entities, etc. Do I have proof of their existence? No, other than things I have experienced personally, and have come to conclusions about. Yet I also do not have proof of their not existing, so for me personally I choose to believe, while at the same time leaving the door open to any possibility.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." - William Shakespeare | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 11/9/2008 5:02:58 PM | | I don't know if there are ghosts or not. It is something that I would have to see for myself to become a true believer. | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 11/9/2008 6:11:07 PM | Logic and reason tell me they don't or, at least, shouldn't. However, personal experience is a bit more evocative.
More often than not, what people term as "paranormal" is simply normal events misunderstood and misinterpreted. Indeed, there has been some interesting research that seems to indicate we are prewired to be prone to religiosity. The sense of the "other" might be a evolutionary byproduct of our senses looking for that thing in the dark that posed a real threat to our survival.
However, our understanding of what we call "reality" is full of holes. And people do have experiences, a small percentage of which lack sufficient explanation. So I would say ghosts could exist, pending a sufficient model of the universe that excludes their existence. | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 11/9/2008 7:55:26 PM | >>>the bible is clear that the dead do not come back
Quick! Someone find something horribly wrong in that remark! | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 11/9/2008 9:18:15 PM |
>>>the bible is clear that the dead do not come back
Quick! Someone find something horribly wrong in that remark!
Oh, it's more horribly funny than horribly wrong... but both surely apply. | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 11/10/2008 1:09:23 AM | | Ghost Hunters isn't that bad of a show and not that kind of show. Maybe sometimes they might have someone dress as a ghost...but Thermos are hard to fake. I've worked with them before and a "ghost" comes up a lot differently then a human does. | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 11/10/2008 2:56:29 AM | | Didn't Bill Murray, Harold Ramis and Dan Akroyd rid us of this whole ghost problem some 20 or so years ago? | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 11/10/2008 5:45:45 AM | While people have spiritual beliefs relating to ghosts or spirits, I think the evidence does not favour the case of paranormalists who claim they exist and can be detected physically (i.e. using cameras, electrical equipment and motion detectors). Critical analysis by independent investigations has not upheld these claims, and also there are powerful arguments based on our understanding of the physical world and also to a lesser extent, on reason and philosophy, which indicate the very notion of a 'ghost' may be very incoherent.
Even so, perhaps some kind of personal existence after death in another state is possible. I don't think it can be absolutely ruled out, but on the face of it, it seems hard to believe conciousness can survive the death of the brain. Physical death seems to kill the engine of the mind, the brain, and whatever the mind is, seems to end with the end of the body. | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 11/10/2008 7:56:13 AM | | Consciousness is a function of a living, physical brain. When the brain dies, the individual is permanently gone. Consciousness does not survive in any form, ghost or otherwise. | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 11/10/2008 4:38:55 PM |
>>>the bible is clear that the dead do not come back
Quick! Someone find something horribly wrong in that remark!
 OMFG that is classic!!! Thumping the bible from forum to forum - then making the most maniacal statement I have ever heard!!
That made my day!! | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 11/10/2008 5:03:19 PM |
Quick! Someone find something horribly wrong in that remark!
Old or New Testament? | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 11/10/2008 5:04:30 PM |
Consciousness is a function of a living, physical brain. When the brain dies, the individual is permanently gone. Consciousness does not survive in any form, ghost or otherwise.
Wow, do I hope you're wrong. | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 11/10/2008 8:55:12 PM | | hi...sorry for the confusion, the dead do not come back or raise from their graves until Jesus returns... the bible is clear that the dead do not have a state of being or of knowing....... a living being is a combination of two things.. breath of life and an outer shell/body.... sort of like a pile of nails and a pile of wood... when you combine the nails and wood a house is formed... when you take it apart, where is the house??, it ceases to exist... with man, the body and breath are combined by God to form a living being or a ~soul~ ... when the two are separated, as in death, the soul ceases to exist...the body goes back to the earth and the breath of life goes back to God.... God decides when to combine breath and body, no one else... that is why the dead can not return to haunt and to do evil because the dead know nothing and have no power seperate of God... blessings, warmly Mona | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 11/11/2008 12:24:44 AM | I'm not sure from your response if you are aware of our love of your answer, and since no one else has come out and said it, I will.
The Bible most definately supports the concept of the dead rising- the entire core of the christian belief is based on the notion that Jesus died and came back- thats coming back from the dead.
>>>Maybe sometimes they might have someone dress as a ghost...but Thermos are hard to fake. I've worked with them before and a "ghost" comes up a lot differently then a human does.
Thermo imaging isn't possible to fake, but having a ghost infront of the camera is a simple thing to make?
Couldn't they fake it any number of ways- use a faulty or tweeked thermo imager would really be the easiest- they could edit the image afterwords as well, as well as invent the image entirely?
Not to mention- ghosts "look different" on thermo imagers? How? How could you possibly know without proving conclusively that there is a ghost? How does a Ion Generator attract ghosts? How do cold spots and electromagnetic feilds have anything to do with ghosts? Its assumptions, nothing more- I could say that rubbing flowers on your couch can attract ghosts, and lighting incense reveals them- wanna prove me wrong? | |
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