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Posted: 11/27/2008 3:50:57 PM | TOUGH anti-racketeering laws used in America to defeat the Mafia are likely to be introduced in Australia to smash lawless Queensland bikie gangs.
This follows a warning from the Australian Crime Commission of increasing motorcycle gang involvement in the manufacture and trafficking of drugs, extortion, theft, identity fraud, illegal gambling, money laundering, prostitution, car rebirthing, arson and murder.
"Most Australians would be absolutely horrified if they knew what a deep hold the bikies have on all kinds of criminal activity in Australia," said Queensland senator Ian Macdonald.
Senator Macdonald is chairman of a federal parliamentary committee investigating organised crime.
The committee has recommended the introduction of so-called RICO laws, based on the American Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organisations Act.
The powerful Act gives US crime investigators wider powers to investigate and coerce associates of criminals and to treat gangs as single criminal enterprises.
"Because of the bikie gang stranglehold on organised crime, we need legislation similar to RICO, but updated to suit the times," Senator Macdonald said.
He said legal advisers had also suggested a toughening of old laws to outlaw consorting over the internet or on mobile phones.
Senator Macdonald's joint parliamentary committee recently took evidence into organised crime and the Australian Crime Commission at hearings around Australia.
He said some of the evidence, much of it given in secret, was "stunning".
Police told the inquiry that bikie gangs were now conducting joint ventures with ethnic gangs and had links to international crime syndicates.
They had also established companies to launder drug money and they were recruiting children to fence stolen property.
Queensland police and the Crime and Misconduct Commission backed the introduction of RICO laws and again appealed to the State Government to pass phone-tapping laws.
Veteran investigative crime journalist Bob Bottom - who also gave evidence at the Brisbane hearings - also backed the introduction of RICO laws and telephone taps.
He said the Gold Coast was a crime centre in Australia in much the same way that US gangsters flocked to Florida from where they ran vast criminal networks
Do you think its possable there using pof as a medium? does it bother you? | |
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Posted: 11/27/2008 3:55:59 PM | I don't personally think they're using PoF.....No.
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Posted: 11/27/2008 5:22:18 PM | Good post OP.
Interesting people are voting to delete it stating it's a "redundant subject" ... I cannot find any other threads on this in the Australian forums??
It's very possible these gangs use a website like POF to consort, and many other websites. Unfortunately a lot of mediums are used to further organised crime. I would imagine that the police, CIA, FBI etc keep an eye on lots of these sites, they know a lot more than these criminals realise. | |
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Posted: 11/27/2008 5:36:13 PM | I agree it's strange people think this is redundant when it is a relevant news item at the moment.
Because of the nature of my work, I sometimes asociate with this group of people for various reasons.
We used to make a lot of billet components for a couple of outlaw bike shops and obviously I would associate with them.
I'm also involved in the manufacture and design of billet components for Nitro Harleys which most bike clubs run. As a matter of fact I'm working on a component as we speak(type).
I also watched the TV report the other day on the news regarding the Bike club involvement and know some of those interviewed personally.
I don't think they have a real need for a website like PoF really. There are lots of other forms of communication that would be better than this. This is possibly too easy to hack in any case.
That's just my opinon of course and I could be very wrong, but I also think it would only be speculation as no-one is going to come on here and say "yes we use this website for mischievious intentions".....
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Posted: 11/27/2008 5:38:24 PM | My thoughts are pretty much as Briz posted, but OP can I ask what caused you to think there might possibly be a link to PoF in particular ? I read the article you posted, but I was unable to see where the association was being made. I am not internet savvy at all, so I can't understand why the gang members would prefer to communicate via a site like PoF rather than just email...msn...private chatroom?  | |
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Posted: 11/27/2008 5:54:00 PM | | Oh I hope they participate in the forums and get a moral ear bashing (note to self - remove pic). | |
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Posted: 11/27/2008 6:38:36 PM | The laws posted above are nothing compared to some others states, but yes op bikers would use pof just like they'd use toilets and service stations and supermarkets. Because they are human and do normal human things doesn't make what they do a part of thier "master plan".
Didn't Kerry packer have a brothel on the gold coast? forgive me if I've got locations wrong however point being they wouldn't be the only "crooks" up there.
Bikers, Qantas, young people seem to be on hit list ATM, keep us entertained, mind off of real issues  | |
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Posted: 11/27/2008 7:04:59 PM | Do you think its possable there using pof as a medium? does it bother you?
I suppose anything is possible, even other organised crime not just bikies to use this site and or any other sites to gain power to do their evil. It's a free site with huge number of members so where better than here to find new members and victims and participate in those criminal activities that goes on.
It's very scary but somehow I believe POF isn't going to jeopardise it's site and hopefully it does have it's safety measures for both it's members and the site, I'll be surprised if they don't.
Police, Federal police, Asio, FBI, CIA and all the others are all probably here amongst us as well as many criminals. Scary but true. Just don't get into any groups that you feel suspicious about and if you do just pull out before too late.
ps Not all bikies are bad and up to evil though some are absloutly nice people. | |
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Posted: 11/27/2008 10:09:47 PM |
just pull out before too late.
Best advice in this thread! | |
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Posted: 11/28/2008 12:09:19 AM |
My thoughts are pretty much as Briz posted, but OP can I ask what caused you to think there might possibly be a link to PoF in particular ? I read the article you posted, but I was unable to see where the association was being made. I am not internet savvy at all, so I can't understand why the gang members would prefer to communicate via a site like PoF rather than just email...msn...private chatroom?
message3 sorry i didnt make it clear
i crossed paths with a male just a net friend not a pof member
who vanished for a while & returned with new rather gruesome photo's ,& a twilight zone tail of how he met a bikie's chic via a date site whom he didnt know was married her hubby turned up with his mates & baseball bats
& the guy now lives in another state unable to see his kids over it
find it all quite bazaar realy
more so that until i came into this forum i never pictured bikers behind computers | |
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Posted: 11/28/2008 12:28:16 AM | Hahaha, I've never pictured bikers behind computers myself (I wouldn't be surprised that they are using Macs too...geeker than geek , like me)....one would think they'd be comparing carburators, exhaust systems and the like for the hogs....but looks like they are now into thermal paste, overclocking, fast RAM and high end video cards....so now with a super duper fast pc, they employ speed, aggression and surprise (SAS) on the forums...
Go the nerds...they're taking over! Bill Gates was NEO!!!! | |
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Posted: 11/28/2008 12:31:49 AM | Bike gangs involve many non bikers. Wives,sons and other relatives are just a start. Bike gang members use all sorts of sites to communicate so they can remain undetected and seen as innocent parties while gathering information on, for an easy example, to get someones address by posing as a woman wanting a date with the sole purpose of stealing a guy's brand new Harley or Hyabusa.
There is a lot more organised crime than the good senator realises. He is just going for the ones in the public eye. Most big time traffickers around when I was young were more involved with police than bike gangs.
When Colin Winchester had his untimely demise, half the organised drug trafficking in many areas came to a complete halt.
Being involved in politics (young Labor) and also living on the street as a teenager had me hearing much more than most. | |
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Posted: 11/28/2008 5:19:32 AM |
Bike gang members use all sorts of sites to communicate so they can remain undetected and seen as innocent parties while gathering information on, for an easy example, to get someones address by posing as a woman wanting a date with the sole purpose of stealing a guy's brand new Harley or Hyabusa.
Rubbish HOP and they are bike CLUBS not gangs.... FACTS people first hand FACTS not media hype. Wasn't going to post BUT after reading your comments Hop I couldn't help myself.
There are a couple of guys in clubs who are of a criminal element BUT not all in the clubs condone their behaviour the guys who act the way the media portrays are not the marjority of the club riders there are bad apples in every barrel most of the clubbies are in it for the pleasure of riding and having fun as a club.... like not all footballers are bad... there are male clubs everywhere like tattersalls club, greek club etc just cause the boys have tattoos ride bikes and are different doesn't mean they are all bad at least you know who they are by the way they look unlike wolves in sheeps clothing..... | |
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Posted: 11/28/2008 11:01:59 AM |
or an easy example, to get someones address by posing as a woman wanting a date with the sole purpose of stealing a guy's brand new Harley or Hyabusa.
Interesting example for anyone who has a brand new Harley or Hyabusa. I guess it's a matter of being cautious and aware. Then again, maybe someone posing as a woman looking for a date would actually underestimate how obvious they were being. And it's likely they would have revealed information about themselves during what they thought was the set-up stage, which would enable tracking if need be. I don't think a lot of us are as gullible as might be assumed. Shame we have to even consider the criminal element, but it seems they are around.
Thanks for drawing it to everybody's attention, Sir H. | |
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Posted: 11/28/2008 11:16:45 PM | It seems established that at least in other countries, using dating sites and proposals is one enterprise organised criminal gangs use to generate revenue, especially in Russia and Nigeria (but also elsewhere as well). It would not be surprising if organised criminal gangs in Australia adopted the same criminal enterprise, suitably adapted for Australian conditions, if it worked.
Organised crime goes much further than just bikie gangs. Bikie gangs are only a small part of the globalised nature of organised crime. The truth is, there are many different criminal outfits from different cross sections of the community operating different criminal enterprises to turn a profit, from people smuggling to drug trafficking to prostitution and other areas of criminal activity. | |
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Posted: 11/29/2008 12:34:11 AM | It is no surprise that bikie's are into things that are above the law, so wats the difference> your kids are into things they are not supposed to be when they hang around in gangs. Plastering grafiti and destroying public structure. They probably cost the comunity more than any bikie gang ever did. So be a little careful when you accuse. Not all evil is bad.
I used to be a bikie years ago, it was a massive twenty six molvern star..... | |
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Posted: 11/29/2008 2:52:07 AM | Well who'd a thunk it? - Plenty of bikers peddling plenty of drugs on plenty of fish...
Maybe it's happening, maybe it ain't. It hasn't crossed my path yet so it's no biggie to me. Organised groups are run by pretty smart cookies and will use whatever means available to grow their business.
It's a sad reality that they prosper in the modern world. They target them young and offer their way of life as an exciting alternative to that led by non-gang members. It's tribal and it's powerful and it attracts those who feel the need to identify with an the romantic notion of 'outlaw'. | |
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Posted: 11/29/2008 5:54:30 AM | | We better be carefull putting up anymore rides because as insatiables post pointed out they are going to toughen the laws for consorting over the internet.Really people if we worrie about all the undesirables that are using the internet we would never log on again yes there are scammers out there but at the end of the day if its to good to be true then its a scam and not everyone that rides a bike is evil. | |
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Posted: 11/29/2008 1:41:23 PM |
We better be carefull putting up anymore rides because as insatiables post pointed out they are going to toughen the laws for consorting over the internet
not everyone that rides a bike is evil.
I am sure OP isn't referring to all the bikies, I made the same mistake and generalised her point until I re read it again she is saying;
[[lawless Queensland bikie gangs. ]]]] and as we all know there are many bikie groups out there who actually get into the community and help the community. | |
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Posted: 11/29/2008 9:26:27 PM | | Bikers are mostly weekend bikers, they like to be seen as tough and rugged. But monday does come and it's time to pull the suit on again. There must be openings for organizers of crime, seeing the last lot kept killing each other. In Vic anyway. Isn't it funny about the way police kept trying to stop the underworld killings. It makes you wonder who is in control.... | |
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Posted: 11/30/2008 4:24:25 AM | If they are using it, so be it, its a very public site and the police have an easy tool to track such activities.
The other thing to remmber about organised rides (not just POF rides) is that the police do check for such events and have in the past targeted these events.
Have been on a few poker runs and rallies that have been targetted and with full license, bike and breathalizer checks, it spoils the event. I can see where they are coming from but do it with some respect for the honest people. | |
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Posted: 11/30/2008 5:40:37 AM | MSG 14 I am not about to give details on here regarding how I know the things I know. If I put it all out here I would be sure to have someone involved see it and would dissapear from view fast.
I should have mentioned not ALL clubs are crooked. Most are not but some are.
private message sent. | |
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Posted: 11/30/2008 10:05:00 PM | My original post was cut short as I had a visitor. How fitting that he is a relative of one of the outlaw clubs head honchos but does not involve himself in their antics. Yes I should have elaborated more and intended to be back a lot sooner but had my friend over longer than expected and did not get back till now as I have dropped him at the airport recently.
As the post above states, outlaw "clubs" are what is being reffered to here so it seems many have cut short what they really wanted to say.
I am about to join a club myself, one NOT involved in crime, just a love of bikes.
Bike gangs may be a major force in NZ but are small time in Australia as I have stated in other threads. They are small time players in the drug scene. The major players will never be caught as they grease the right pockets.
Being a bike gang thread I was not going to go on about all the other crime syndicates but maybe I need to if others are to see just how little bikers do.
I believe the laws against bikers consorting with each other were dropped because they were not fair. So if I want to go for a ride, I MUST go alone??? WHY???
Are the young kids in their sports cars doing laps of Ipswich made to seperate? NO, yet they all drive Sylvias and Skylines or Wrx's with turbos and drive like idiots killing themselves, passengers and bystanders.
Summernats should never be allowed with that thinking as too many hot car lovers are consorting together. Major car spare parts rings are in Australia are run by Wreckers and Lebanese kids in Bankstown as well as many other places.
Cetrain Senators are picking on all bike clubs because of the bad ones and because they stand out.
Major drug dealers reside in Rushcutters bay in Sydney but do you hear about that?
A large car stealing racket was based in the back of Kings cross for years but was never found, how so with so many police in the area? Im talking Porches and Mercedes etc, not For falcons or Holden Commodores, BIG MONEY!.
My earlier statements are true. Gangs communicate in many ways. Dating sites are just one of many ways they get info on people to rip them off. They use Msn, chat rooms, Mobile phones as well as the old fashioned REAL LIFE meeting. They are fully aware they are monitored and are careful. This is where the relatives come in to play as earlier stated. This is however, a small part of what is going on in crime in Australia. They also simply pull up beside a rider and take his bike. A friend of my best work mate lost his Sportster last year in the main street of Ipswich this way. He was told to get off his bike, he was kicked off as he told them to F off when told to give up his bike. Stealing Harleys is hardly major organised crime.
Gangs of various nationalities have far more control over organised crime and drugs in Australia than Bike "gangs". Like I said in an earlier thread against bikers, How often do bank robbers make a getaway on a bike?, How many times have you heard a pedophile dragged a child onto a bike? No it is a car or van. Maybe all car drivers should be forced to seperate from each other and not "consort".
More scaremongering tactics to make us all so fearful of crime that we happily give away our rights in the name of "safety" just like the anti terrorism laws are doing to all of us.
All they need to do is call you a terrorist and you are bail less and screwed. The Ananda Marga were blamed for the hilton bombings to stop religious groups designated as being a cult from having any rights. Asio were found to be the real bombers, our own secret police.
Asians in Cabbramatta, Lebanese in Bankstown and surrounding areas is just a start when it comes to major organised theft and drugs. I used to work in a mag wheel shop in Chullora and we were continually sending away teens trying to sel us stolen wheels.
We had to keep guns on sight to ensure our safety as 30 to 40 would lob in the shop at any given moment and try to outnumber us and take what they wanted by making us too busy and scared to stop them. This was the only job I have ever had where I had permission to bash bad customers. We were attacked by over 40 kids all looking to be one race, and chased them away with weapons after having most of our windows smashed for daring to defy them.
Some bike clubs are bad, but not all.
The Mongrel mob came to Australia and were sent home with their tales between their legs because even the bad bike clubs in Australia will not tolerate some of the sick things they get up to.
Media trying to show the police and pollies are doing something about crime. Lets pick on the ones we can all see. I could be here all week but have a life to live. | |
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Posted: 12/1/2008 4:06:54 AM | | Hey hopster: I think you watch too much t.v Miami Vice and you so brain washed by the media reporting.MAN what you know you keep it to your self. What you have just stated that you singled out certain ethnic groups.And that's wrong of you man.Unless you have strong evidence of prove which you don't have I'm sorry to say that.even though you did say you grew up on the streets .Hey you not the only one there are lot of young kids who grew up on the streets,but they do not bragg on about what you have said. Using meeting sites to conduct criminal activities this is only to scare ppl,just to give the public some thing to talk about and the law enforcers and politicians are doing some thing about these matters.It is all about votes and commodeties my man and nothing else.we can be misled so easy by these politicians. ppl say this country is the land of freedom ,Well yes it is back in the 40s and up to the 70s but it no longer is as we are the puppet of the big banks yes they are the criminals not the average joe blow those little bikie gangs and those little car re-birthing gangs and those little drugg dealers they are only the small fish in a huge lake.what the media reports is what the banks wants us to hear and thats that.We can speculate on a lot of things but nothing beats allan bond and christopher skase .My answer to the OP Yes any form of communication will be used by the criminals as a diversion. | |
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