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 InternetRFunny

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rape in a relationship?
Posted: 12/2/2008 5:49:54 PM
What causes rape in a relationship? Is rape even possible in an already established boyfriend/girlfriend relationship or even marriage relationship? I'm studying this topic and interested to hear your opinions.
 OneMoreTimeWithFeeling

Joined: 9/8/2008
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Posted: 12/2/2008 5:52:25 PM
Umm yes. If someone, says no and the person continues to force themselves on the other person, it's rape. Marriage or a set relationship has nothing to do with it. No means no. Same as any other time that no means no.
 carolann0308

Joined: 12/9/2006
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Posted: 12/2/2008 5:53:05 PM
Absolutely, any time a person is forced into sex or a sexual act against their will it is rape. Just because you know the person or they have bought you a few dinners does not give them the right to compromise you in any way. There are plenty of studies, not sure why you consider this a 'new' topic or something that needs to be studied. It has been in the news for decades.
 Sneak65

Joined: 10/23/2008
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Posted: 12/2/2008 5:54:50 PM
Of course, rape is possible in any type of relationship. There is not too much to study on the topic. If it is unwanted it is rape.

What causes rape? Are you kidding me? Sick ****s who cant take no for an answer.

Why on Earth are you "studying" rape?
 daynadaze

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Posted: 12/2/2008 5:58:03 PM
How could it not be possible? Being raped is nothing like having hot sex or even kind of annoyed but I'll go along sex, rape is being forced, often beaten and verbally as well as physically abused. Rape is crime, an act of violence against someone, it has nothing to do with being boyfriend/girlfriend, etc. A person who is capable of rape, is someone who should be locked away forever.
 MeloFelow

Joined: 11/27/2008
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Posted: 12/2/2008 5:59:25 PM
Unless it is by previously agreed "role play", "no" means "no" . However, when someone says "no" in a relationship, for me it would indicate a serious dysfunction in the relationship, and probably signal the time to consider ending it.

Theologically, in marriage, one surrenders control of his/her body to his/her partner. Men, as they get older, have times, when they aren't "in the mood", just as women do, but in a functional relationship, one partner will try to respond if his/her partner expresses a desire for sexual union.

However, in a legal sense, no one has a right to "force" sex. As I said above, though, saying "no" is a relationship killer, although it does have to be respected.

My undeniable "rule" for myself, is that being told "no" is a final answer. If I were told "no"...it would process as "never", and I'd exit the relationship, but I would never "rape".
 NOLA Chick

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Posted: 12/2/2008 6:00:45 PM
First things first. Rape is an act of violence, not sex. Just because someone is involved in a sexually intimate relationship does not give the other person a right to take what is not freely given.

Rape can be physically forced or even emotionally/psychologically coerced.

What causes it? Well, I suppose the same things that cause stranger rape: the wish to exert physical control over another person AGAINST THEIR WILL, for whatever reason.

A person's body is their own. There is no contract, social, religious, or legal that allows another person to inflict their will upon the others body without consent.
 bucsgirl

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Posted: 12/2/2008 6:01:13 PM
Just a comment and report this post if you want.

This website and forums aren't here to facilitate or supplement your studies!!

Surely you can google this and get all the info you require for whatever research needed to write your academic papers. ugh
 InternetRFunny

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Posted: 12/2/2008 6:07:30 PM
btw I know there are tons of studies on the topic..I'm reading those as well. but i'm also supposed to get some "survey" type information from people who are NOT briefed on the topic. Why are you complaining? If you don't like the thread you don't have to click. =P My study is focused on the biological "causes" and the evolution of rape behavior but I'm also simply interested in opinions on it.
 NOLA Chick

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Posted: 12/2/2008 6:08:22 PM

Unless it is by previously agreed "role play", "no" means "no" .


Even when it is previously agreed, if either partner changes their mind during the play, their wishes MUST be honored. Period.


However, when someone says "no" in a relationship, for me it would indicate a serious dysfunction in the relationship, and probably signal the time to consider ending it.


Wait, what???? If you're in a relationship and she says "no," it's a serious dysfunction?? So, she basically has sold herself into slavery if she wants a relationship with you. She's not allowed to not want what you want whenever you want it? Dude, that's creepy.


Theologically, in marriage, one surrenders control of his/her body to his/her partner.


What theology would this be? Something patriarchal, I'm guessing. Even in Christianity, a person's body, mind and soul are their own. Even God doesn't infringe upon a person's free will. There is no "surrendering of control." There is merely the giving freely for the benefit of the union.
 xxfoxy-redxx

Joined: 8/16/2008
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Posted: 12/2/2008 6:10:42 PM
Course it's rape, it's a violent act when someone is shouting or screaming no and is terrified and doesnt want to? What sort of question is this really!?
 NOLA Chick

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Posted: 12/2/2008 6:12:56 PM

My study is focused on the biological "causes" and the evolution of rape behavior but I'm also simply interested in opinions on it.


Those are two different things.

Are you studying the biological cause (as in a frontal lobe disorder that affects impulse control, sociopathy or lack of empathy) or the social causes throughout the ages, such as dominating a captured enemy, women being seen as property, caste systems, theological laws, etc.?
 MeloFelow

Joined: 11/27/2008
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Posted: 12/2/2008 6:21:37 PM


Wait, what???? If you're in a relationship and she says "no," it's a serious dysfunction?? So, she basically has sold herself into slavery if she wants a relationship with you. She's not allowed to not want what you want whenever you want it? Dude, that's creepy.


Nothing "creepy" about it. It's foundational to the "marriage covenant".

I would not "force" a partner, so if she said "no", she would be physically safe . However, when one enters into marriage, both people, as part of the "covenant" surrender "self" to a greater "us", so if one, or the other, denies his/her partner, then it is a violation of the covenant.

Frankly, I can't remember ever being told "no", even in a dating relationship. I've heard, or given the response, of "a little later", now and then, but an overt, rejecting "no", not since I was 15. If it were to happen, I'd respect it, but then feel that the "covenant" had been violated, and perfectly justified in exiting the relationship. What would be the point of 'committment" in marriage, if one or the other felt that he/she was only committed to do that which he/she felt like doing, and no obligation towards his/her partner?
 Oceane1979

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Posted: 12/2/2008 6:46:51 PM
Have no idea what can cause someone you love and trust to force themselves upon you...would be horrifying for this to happen...would also be harder to report because you know the person...Makes me sick to think about something like this...No means no, independent of whether you are in a relationship with the person.
 bullielover62

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Posted: 12/2/2008 6:47:15 PM
Look OP, you need to take yer young self off this Forum for your homework.
I'm with bucsgirl and others that have already called you out.

You wanna know about rape in marriage and relationships? Then get your ass to work.
Do your studies in places where the answers are verifiable and stop wasting our time and yours.

"studying this topic"................ yah, I'm betting it's got nothing to do with a school paper or
thesis....

If you're seeking answers for yourself personally, heed the advice above and get off this public dating site and get some help.

And if indeed you're doing a study for school, then I'd have already failed you for the way you're going about it.

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 Navigator6

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Posted: 12/2/2008 7:06:05 PM

"studying this topic"................ yah, I'm betting it's got nothing to do with a school paper or thesis....

Ahhh, you might be surprised. My daughter is a Jr in college and taking a literature course. She had to read a book called "Daughters of Joy, Sisters of Misery: Prostitutes in the American West, 1865-90". She said they were studying immigrants and apparently, immigrant prostitutes. Before that they had to read a bunch of stories that revolved around children being brutally murdered, but from a lighthearted standpoint. How the hell is that even possible!??

So, OP having to write an essay about or study the subject of rape, sounds very plausible to me.
 wildcat99

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Posted: 12/2/2008 7:15:20 PM

I would not "force" a partner, so if she said "no", she would be physically safe . However, when one enters into marriage, both people, as part of the "covenant" surrender "self" to a greater "us", so if one, or the other, denies his/her partner, then it is a violation of the covenant.


Sheeesh....now I know why I've never been married. My idea of marriage is about BOTH parties respecting the needs and feelings of each other. So if I didn't feel like it and he did, or vice versa, we each respect the other.


Frankly, I can't remember ever being told "no", even in a dating relationship. I've heard, or given the response, of "a little later", now and then, but an overt, rejecting "no", not since I was 15. If it were to happen, I'd respect it, but then feel that the "covenant" had been violated, and perfectly justified in exiting the relationship. What would be the point of 'committment" in marriage, if one or the other felt that he/she was only committed to do that which he/she felt like doing, and no obligation towards his/her partner?


When sex becomes nothing more than an obligation, then I'd be exiting the relationship.

NolaChick describes it pretty accurately:

First things first. Rape is an act of violence, not sex. Just because someone is involved in a sexually intimate relationship does not give the other person a right to take what is not freely given.

Rape can be physically forced or even emotionally/psychologically coerced.

What causes it? Well, I suppose the same things that cause stranger rape: the wish to exert physical control over another person AGAINST THEIR WILL, for whatever reason.

A person's body is their own. There is no contract, social, religious, or legal that allows another person to inflict their will upon the others body without consent.
 *~*ChardyGirl*~*

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Posted: 12/2/2008 7:26:03 PM
Agree wholeheartedly with "Wildcat" & "Nola"..............

Whether in a marriage or relationship,if one doesnt feel like it,its not The End of the relationship.......Geesh.....just means you dont feel like it at the time,for whatever reason................

Its all about understanding & respect for your partner.

If i was ever made to feel obligated just coz i was in a relationship,id dump him in a nano second.

And,Op,i suggest you Google ,too......................
 MeloFelow

Joined: 11/27/2008
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Posted: 12/2/2008 7:27:48 PM
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When sex becomes nothing more than an obligation, then I'd be exiting the relationship.

Agreed.

However, let me reveal my personal situation to illustrate the point.

I'm a 58 year old man, with a fairly strong sex drive "for my age". I'm living with a 31 year old woman, and her sex drive is stronger than mine, at this point in life. So, while if it were merely based on my sex drive, we'd probably have sex 4-5 times a week, but for her, it's an everyday need, and some days, more than once.

If I go with the flow, I can "get in the mood", so when she expresses desire, I will let things develop. To say "no", just because it's not what I was ready for in the moment, would be selfish, and rejecting. it would be saying that all that matters is what I "feel like", and that would deny the whole point of "relationship", where each is doing his his/her best to be resonsive to the partner's need.

So, while I don't think "rape" is ever justified, I also think its selfish, and a rejection of "partnership" for one to deny the other.
 bullielover62

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Posted: 12/2/2008 7:33:37 PM

Ahhh, you might be surprised. My daughter is a Jr in college and taking a literature course. She had to read a book called "Daughters of Joy, Sisters of Misery: Prostitutes in the American West, 1865-90". She said they were studying immigrants and apparently, immigrant prostitutes. Before that they had to read a bunch of stories that revolved around children being brutally murdered, but from a lighthearted standpoint. How the hell is that even possible!??

So, OP having to write an essay about or study the subject of rape, sounds very plausible to me.

For gawds sake, I sure hope your daughter was smart enough to find her sources for information someplace OTHER than a free dating site's Forums....

If the OP is indeed doing research, for WHATEVER reasons, this is not the place, in my opinion.

Sounds plausible, sure... but getting her information here? She's 19... out of H.S., so this is
hardly the place for a collegiate to find anything worthy of using in a college paper.....

Unless she wants to fill us in on her "studies".... such as they are...........
 Oakland Honey

Joined: 11/26/2008
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Posted: 12/2/2008 7:38:38 PM
Absolutely! Rape occurs anytime a woman is forced to participate in sexual activities that she doesn't want. Anytime a woman says "NO!" or "STOP!" and a man doesn't, he is raping her.

Rape can also occur at the hands of a husband, not just a boyfriend. THere was a landmark legal ruling which stated such back in the late 1980s.
 Navigator6

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Posted: 12/2/2008 7:46:42 PM

For gawds sake, I sure hope your daughter was smart enough to find her sources for information someplace OTHER than a free dating site's Forums....

hehehe YES, there were specific sources that she was/is allowed to use. I'm more than pretty sure that they DON'T include online forums!
 Lil Brooker

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Posted: 12/2/2008 8:21:18 PM
However, when one enters into marriage, both people, as part of the "covenant" surrender "self" to a greater "us", so if one, or the other, denies his/her partner, then it is a violation of the covenant.

However, you aren't in a marriage ie there is no covenant. You've taken great pains in previous threads under Renaissance Man to convince the "fora" that marriage basically is not for you.

You're posing this argument for a married couple. You are in an unmarried relationship and will leave the relationship if she says no? There's no covenant here and therefore no violation. So what decent reason can you give for leaving a relationship after being told "no"?

BTW I hope everyone realises that the "marriage, covenant and violation" idea is hooey to me.
 Michaelann

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Posted: 12/2/2008 8:32:51 PM

Yes, rape is possible even in marriage now. It was not that long ago that most State courts held that rape between man and wife was not possible; now in most states it is. There are a variety of rapes; someone who has reached the age of majority with someone considered a minor can be determined rape; even if he is 18 and she is 17 and willing. Although the age of consent can vary from state to state. At one time in one southern state that age was 9! - Splendere

True also in Canada, since 1985. Our (then) new Constitution made them change a great many lawas that were a violation of basic rights. Men could rape their wives. Married women were unable to pass their names on to their children, even with their husbands consent/agreement. The stautory rape (age of consent) laws, only applied to girls. Teenage boys had no protection under the law, unless they were gay.
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would be horrifying for this to happen...would also be harder to report because you know the person...Makes me sick to think about something like this - Oceane1979

Very true, even more traumatic than being assaulted by a stranger. And sadly, the most difficult to successfully prosecute. Even though 85% of women know their rapist, most people do not understand this & that makes it very difficult to deal with these cases.
 GGarbo

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Posted: 12/2/2008 8:33:51 PM

I'm a 58 year old man, with a fairly strong sex drive "for my age". I'm living with a 31 year old woman, and her sex drive is stronger than mine, at this point in life. So, while if it were merely based on my sex drive, we'd probably have sex 4-5 times a week, but for her, it's an everyday need, and some days, more than once.

If I go with the flow, I can "get in the mood", so when she expresses desire, I will let things develop. To say "no", just because it's not what I was ready for in the moment, would be selfish, and rejecting. it would be saying that all that matters is what I "feel like", and that would deny the whole point of "relationship", where each is doing his his/her best to be resonsive to the partner's need.

So, while I don't think "rape" is ever justified, I also think its selfish, and a rejection of "partnership" for one to deny the other.

Ok so let me get this straight, you say this is a live-in relationship that you only anticipate will last awhile because you view relationships as "for a time" things. So are you using this example on how you are supposed to behave in a committed relationship or to tell us all you scored a woman 30 years younger like you tell anyone who reads your profile?
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