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| Manitoba to hike minimum wage to $9
Posted: 12/23/2008 9:47:24 PM |
Manitoba’s minimum wage will go up to $9 an hour by the end of 2009, the province said today.
The minimum rate goes up by 25 cents May 1 and another 25 cents Oct. 1.
The Doer government has steadily increased the rate from $6 an hour in 1999 to make the minimum rate more reflective of the cost of living and business tax cuts. Since 1999, the small business tax rate has been cut by 75 per cent and the corporate income tax has been reduced by nearly 30 per cent.
“The government essentially waited until Christmas eve to make this announcement, hoping that any voices of dissension would get lost in the holiday din,” he said. “ Considering the turbulent economic times we find ourselves in, it is unfortunate the government chose to increase minimum wage to a level that simply can’t be justified.”
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There are about 28,000 minimum wage earners in Manitoba, the government said in a news release, adding the 2009 levels will put Manitoba near the middle of the minimum wage rates among Canadian jurisdictions.
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/breakingnews/Minimum_wage_to_jump_to_9.html
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/manitoba/story/2008/12/23/minimum-wage.html
So giving small business 75% tax breaks but ooo no increasing minumum wages $0.25 (3% increase) "simply can't be justified"
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| Manitoba to hike minimum wage to $9
Posted: 12/24/2008 7:07:42 AM | | It's pretty hard for one person,but two wage earners could probably do it. That of course depends on expenses,what your rent is,do you need a vehicle,etc. You wouldn't be able to live extravagantly,but it would be possible. For myself,forget it. I'm barely able to keep my nose above water making $20 an hour and a lot of overtime. | |
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Posted: 12/24/2008 9:44:08 AM | OP, if someone cannot live on the money they are earning, instead of complaining about it, they should be upgrading their skills, learning a trade, finish school (if they dont have a high school diploma) and then get additional education or skills to earn more money at a better job. There is also the great opportunity for someone to start their own business by doing something they are good at, that would earn them an income. In addition to the programs offered by UIC (whatever its called these days), there are student loans and payment plans in place for some private education businesses. There is no reason why people cannot upgrade themselves and do better.
I am getting sick of the whining and complaining of people who were born here, who are lazy, uneducated, unmotivated and expects the government to just "provide and give them". We live in a country that holds numerous opportunity if you pursue it. If you dont think so, take a look at many of the immigrant cultures who have come here and prospered. The oriental people operate some of the best chinese, and sushi restaurants around. Italian and Greek families also serve up the best pasta, pizza and burgers. People from Europe came here with building and carpentry skills and have turned that into successful businesses. People from the middle east came here and through hard work now are in control of the taxicab business. Many of these people came here with nothing and took advantage of the opportunities available here to be successful. They did not sit around whining about what minimum wage was or what an increase would be. Instead they got off their a$$es and realized how to make money to be prosperous - and went out and did it.
I was not born with a silver spoon in my mouth. I worked hard to change the position of where I started out, and I will admit it was hard. At different times in my life, it was not uncommon for me to hold down 1 to 3 part time jobs to save up to pay for more education, then go to evening classes at RRCC, UofW, or UofM, in addition to my full time day job. I was still in night school when I was married and raising children. I managed to change my circumstances. I chose to do something instead of whining, there are numerous opportunities around if one pursues them.
Small business employ people and the business owners pay both business taxs and personal taxs. That is why there are tax breaks for small business. In addition they pay into social programs like WC, UIC, etc. Small business pay a payroll tax, just because they have staff and pay them. There are cash grab taxes in business just like there are for individual people. Small business owners get tax cash grabs on both sides. So exactly how much tax is enough?
Stop whining and improve your earning potential.
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| Manitoba to hike minimum wage to $9
Posted: 12/24/2008 9:52:01 AM | RIGHT ON SUE!!!! Stop whinning and get your life together and get a job or better education... So many opportunities so many chances at a new life... and everyone wants it for free and gift wrapped too...  | |
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Posted: 12/24/2008 10:02:02 AM | The world is different than when you where growing up Sue. When we grew up just
walking into a building prooved you wanted the job...employers are always complaining about skilled wages but when they have skilled staff they forget to reward them often. when you have car company emplyee's earning more than proffessional folks dealing with human life it speaks volumes ...look at the ratio of differences of wages just between the big 3 and the others...it says it all right there...the union's of yesterday are now tagged in the biggest scandle in human history...
hope the car companies are proud of the union's abuse of wages and the effect on the economy...after all we put caps on medical doctors why not goofs who work for a car company's?
glad to see the wage go up...assistance payes 850 a month total...at 9 bucks that makes a big difference in that divide.
every dime counts when your at the bottom........and employers who pretend they can't afford to pay that base perhaps need to work and live on that range before they yap about what they think an employee is spose to survive first.
try having drug expenses which total more than your food and relate. | |
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| Manitoba to hike minimum wage to $9
Posted: 12/24/2008 12:27:18 PM | Just googling to see what the rest of the country is at:
Alberta $8.40
BC $8.00
Manitoba $8.50
New Brunswick $7.75
Newfoundland $8.00
NWT $8.25
Nova Scotia $8.10
Nunavut $10.00
Ontario $8.75
PEI $8.00
Quebec $8.50
Saskatchewan $8.60
Yukon $8.58
Upcoming increases:
Manitoba Will increase by $0.25 ($8.75) May 1, 2009 & another $0.25 ($9.00) on Oct. 1, 2009
Newfoundland and Labrador Planned increase to $10.00 by 2010.
Ontario Will increase by $0.75 per hour annually to reach $10.25 on March 31, 2010.
Saskatchewan Increases to $9.25 on May 1, 2009.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_wages_in_Canada
Unsure what whining and minimum wage have to do with each other but it's sure alot easier said then done haywiresue when you say "if someone cannot live on the money they are earning, instead of complaining about it, they should be upgrading their skills, learning a trade, finish school (if they dont have a high school diploma) and then get additional education or skills to earn more money at a better job........."
How does one dig themselves out of a hole when it so deep there's no way out?
For me $9.00 hrs don't even cover my monthly cost to put a roof over my head, never mind about the rising cost of food
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Posted: 12/24/2008 12:53:35 PM | I dont' think people who canot live onminimum wage are "complaining" as such, but I do think that it's much easier to tell someone to upgrade their skills, etc. than for a poor (and minimum wage earners more than qualify as "working poor") to be able to afford that luxury. Yup. "Luxury". When you have no money you can't get credit. When you can't get credit you can't get student loans. When you can't get student loans, you can't pay for that "upgrade" education. And most can't pay for the time off to get that "upgrade".
PS. There are no programs offered by UIC or whatever it's called today (EI) unless you are at the bottom most part of the dent in the bottom of the barrel.
There are plenty of reasons why people can't upgrade and do better. And the least is because their lazy and whiners.
So is $9 fair? If you assume a 40 hour week that's $360/week. After taxes and various payroll fees, a single person will net about $260. That comes out to a little over $1000/mth. Single bedroom apt? $500-$700. Add a phone, a bus pass, and utilities $300 for food and you have less than $100 to put away for your "upgrade' education at the cheapest level.
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Posted: 12/24/2008 1:32:18 PM | I agree with peek-a-booo about the world being a different place then when we grew up. When I was in elementary school the dads worked while the mom's stayed at home. By the time I was in high school some moms were working, mine included and the times were changing. The people/families who wanted to succeed, changed with the times. There was no whining, people just did what they needed to do, in order to move forward with the times and provide for themselves and their families.
When I completed high school, I chose to work and get married instead of going to university and thought working would be enough as people were still getting gold watches for appreciation and long service to a company on their retirement. However the times began to change again, I was wrong, and people who wanted to succeed needed to change again. This time the changes called for higher education and specialized skills. Those who wanted to succeed, went after it, while others did nothing and that is what separated the gap between the haves and have nots.
This trend emerged once again when computers were introduced into the workplace. It was big time for change and people had to change to survive. It is estimated that very few people will remain with one company for their entire adult working career - so we needed to change with the times, and provide for ourselves and our families. Once again, whining, not required.
I think the people in the auto industry and some other occupations, are in for a huge wake up call, and change is needed once again. It looks like Ford really had "A Better Idea" in the way they did business, in respect to the US auto industry bail-out/loans. Ford were the only one who said "No Thanks, The Others Need It More". This certainly speaks volumes about how the company is run. Ford were not selling vehicles below cost as the other 2 were and these 2 companies are in trouble and even with the bail out, are still in the shaodow of Chapter 11 (bankruptcy) in the US, as the bail out is a bandaid attempt to fix the problems. It might be the unions and the executives that cause these 2 automakers that cause the demise of GM and Chrysler. Its all about greed and believing that your customers are stupid and will go along with what the automakers decide. Now as a consumer I am not happy that auto industry forklift drivers earn $85,000. a year, and that salary is reflected in the price I pay for a new car. I think its time for the US/Canada automakers to bring the wage scales and overheads in line to effectively compete in the global auto market. I would continue to buy a Canadian/US made vehicle and pay more than some of the imports, if the overheads were in line with the other car companies, and if they paid a wages similar to others who do the same type of work in other segments of industry. Its pretty hard for a consumer such as a fork lift driver who is not earning $85,000. a year to run out buy one of these vehicles, let along provide support for the workers who earn that salary.
There are many factors why wages are in jeopardy and popularity of goods being manufactured overseas, is one of the main reasons. People quit buying Canadian and US made goods and guess what folks, we are all paying the price for it now. We no longer have industries and employ people in as much manufacturing as we once did - so that directly effects the standard of living for many people. I can just hear the whiners now about this issue, but its all related and relivant. I buy Canadian and US before I buy made elsewhere, even if it is a bit more expensive, as I want the standard of living we have to continue...........does anyone else? Is saving 5 cents on a can of something in the supermarket worth keeping the Canadian and US food industry going? I shop with friends who are always crying about how hard it is to make ends meet, but they dont buy Canadian when its on the shelves. You can't have it both ways, we either protect our industries and support good, products and services made in this country or we dont. We either become an intellegent and highly skilled nation or we bring the entire country down a few notches.
IMO if a person is flipping burgers or pumping gas for a wage because they are unskilled, and they are not the owner of that business, their first paycheck should make them realize that to get more money, they require more education and skills, or they can remain on the path to poverty. If they want more, then they should go out and improve themselves by changing their skillset to earn more money. One does not have to be a rocket scientist to see and understand this. These types of jobs are great for students and people who want to suppliment a full time income. If anyone thinks this type of work will properly support a famiuly, they should give their head a shake.
Mega Man - one digs themselevs out of a hole as you mentioned by going back to school to upgrade their skills through govt sponsored programs, payment plans by some colleges and then there are good old student loans. There is also the military if they are within recruiting age.
RomaticOptomist, thanks I'm not the biggot some believe I am, most appreciated that you noticed.
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Posted: 12/24/2008 1:46:16 PM | the produce section of the grocery store is where we can make the biggist impact in our choices to be canadian and learn about why the falk those clowns are not lowering prices to match the deflation of gas expenses in imports....fancy clowns we have making excuses...why is transit not dropping my fee's....grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
i can't wait for the last part Sue
so i feel especially lucky human...cuz i actually complain to clerks when i see manitoba produce out priced and set my beek into the floor managers azzhole too....let that clown face those excuses and take to the board at the end of the month and let the chit flow up hill to the executive offices that is eia, an i can set my words productivly they will atleast know they are not pretending to all the canadians they live around too............................ make 2009 the year you took the time to selectively choose your battle.... loud and proud don't care how fancy your azz is...if your out bidding canadian products your an AZZHOLE............................
a company with a big S gets the gold star for that excuse from me...boo hiss | |
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Posted: 12/24/2008 4:14:12 PM |
RomaticOptomist, thanks I'm not the biggot some believe I am, most appreciated that you noticed. Awww. I wub you. Have a great Christmas, Sue. May all your surprises be good ones. And may you receive the grace you give (same for everyone else) ... and maybe a bit more. | |
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Posted: 12/24/2008 11:56:56 PM | Hmmm...let's see. $9/hr = $9.00 per hour * 80 hr work week = $720
$720 - 25% tax (average) = $540 every two weeks.
Average 1 bedroom aparment that isn't in the kill zone or other unsavory area of the city = approx $600 for a 1 bedroom apartment. Don't even think about getting a house only grossing $18,720 a year. Even renting, you're still dreaming.
That leaves us with ($1080 month - $600 rent) $480 a month or $240 each cheque budgeted towards bills and food. So...let's pay our phone, heat, hydro and buy a bit of food. (Staples at the bare minimum) And try to save a bit of money so that you can go out at least once a month and not sit inside day after day without going insane from being house bound for who knows how long. Can you afford the internet to stave off the inevitable boredom? Oh wait! Do you have a car? Can you even afford it? How do you get to work? Bus? Ok, factor in $70 / month for a bus pass to make your $9/hr. that's just for the average person, let us not even delve into the people who have child support payments or other expenses along the same realm.
What's the poverty line in Manitoba? I'd look it up, but I've had far too much wine tonight. I'm sure it's around the 25K mark...Please correct me if I'm wrong.
While we consider these things, let us also consider large corporations and big business making millions of dollars in profits every year. We are not in a time where we consider those things because as a business it's all about the almighty dollar and not about the employee your giving $9/hr to in order to survive and live in these times.
And while some of you may say that there is always an opportunity to go back to school and get a higher education, this is not always the case for most people in this city or any other city for that matter. They make it seem so easy to get a post secondary education, but it's not. Not only that, but you're not going to get 80 hours per week working and going to school full time. Unless of course, you're trying to kill yourself, then by all means...go do it.  Then you can get your post secondary education or certification in something and have to live on, oh say $13/hr(entry level wage minimum) , and pay your tuition back. So really, now you're not really ahead of the game. At least for the next 5-10 yrs depending on your certification of choice. You're still where you started.
Oh and let us also consider that the minimum wage is generally for people with minimum skills and people already living in poverty or trying to get off social assistance.
Poverty leads to other ways of making money. Most of those ways are illegal...Would you like to take a look at the crime rate? Are you seeing a pattern here?
Now this is not to say that people shouldn't try to make their own world a better place. But would you rather see people going out and working for their money? Or would you prefer them to sit their asses on welfare collecting who knows how much, because it's not worth it to go out and work?
The minimum wage is set to protect business, when business is not out to protect the people it employs. And knowing many small business owners, it's a damn shame to hear them **** about how much they have to pay their employees for the work they do. Often times, in the public sector, these employees are doing the work of more than one person. You won't catch a person working in a union based environment working much at all for the amount of money they get paid. (minus nurses of course, because we know they do more than they should in the hours they work) I can say that because I've been there. 
Meh, I'm rambling and a teensy bit tipsy. What does that Mike Meyers character say? I'm veclempt(sp), talk amongst yaselves. I'll give you a topic... | |
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Posted: 12/25/2008 8:30:19 AM | The amount of analysis this topic is receiving baffles me somewhat.
Sure, $9/hr only nets a person about $1000/mth, maybe a little more. So what? Minimum wage is not meant to be a benchmark for a person's lifetime earning potential. It's a starting point!
When you first start out in the working world, you either luck into a great job/career opportunity, or you do what you can to bring in some money. You work more than one job if you need to. You can easily make more than $1000/mth net if you want to. Find a job that offers overtime. Work two jobs. Most people work more than 40 hours a week in their one job(I do).
As for expenses, why does a person need an apartment on their own? Share the expenses. Rent a room in a house. You don't have to live in the 'kill zone', either. Many people rent out a room in their house to help with their home ownership costs. Again, I do this as well. If you share an apartment with a friend, you can cut food costs by buying in bulk for the two of you.
Bottom line is that people need to learn to live within their means. If the only job you can get is paying minimum wage, then you live your life accordingly. Bus or bike it to work if you can't afford a car. Once you realize that you may want more out of life, you'll find a way to upgrade your skills. EI sponsors people in many trades that are in high demand. Once again, I used this method to get my class 1 driver's license years ago. I now have a skill that I can always fall back on if needed.
The mentality that exists in people today where everything needs to be given to them has to be altered. Empowerment begins from within. | |
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Posted: 12/25/2008 9:27:57 AM | The mentality that exists today is if you don't have materialistic value ......that you don't count.
Well i got news for ya................your in for one falk of an awakining if your complacent in that materialistic value...
Companies which pretend they have the biggist value to human kind will find they have lil or no value in the state of the reshift of the universe because they have outpriced their value in the real world....they will be caught up in fear of the unkown where poor folks do not live in fear nor do they crave the same economic power cuz they are just happy to have food and a place to lay head at night....
so the clowns who simply gain there human power from economics are in for some overdue stress i think... they can only pretend a car is of value when the gas prices are not stacked against ya...human's now know and see the stacked deck now understand the term MONOPOLY. | |
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Posted: 12/25/2008 9:45:01 AM | I do not see the correlation between the thread's theme of minimum wage being at $9/hr and companies having outpriced their value in the world.
People who want more out of life than they can achieve at $9/hr are free to pursue those dreams. It's not unachievable in any regard. No 'luxuries' such as a car, a house, the internet, or disposable income for trips/entertainment is necessary for happiness. But if one would like to have some of those, there are many avenues they can explore to achieve their goals. | |
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Posted: 12/25/2008 11:34:26 AM | If we want the government to babysit us, maybe the answer is for the province to set a baseline for what constitutes poverty, then pay the extra needed each month to someone working a minimum wage job to take them to that baseline.
Minimum wage is just that, a starting point for wages; some companies looking for a dependable adult work force pay more than the minimum. I work at a warehouse for a national chain of stores, and the starting wage there is $11.50 an hour. | |
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Posted: 12/25/2008 11:50:26 AM | | su, at that starting wage, are you union or non-union........as for the gov't topping up the wage of a below poverty line worker, not a chance.............the min. wage employer is then being susidsed on my taxes............. | |
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Posted: 12/25/2008 12:52:25 PM |
su, at that starting wage, are you union or non-union........as for the gov't topping up the wage of a below poverty line worker, not a chance.............the min. wage employer is then being susidsed on my taxes.............
It's union. And I didn't say I was for the govt top-off suggestion, I said if you want the govt. to babysit you....
Bottom line? If you don't want to be working a minimum wage job constantly, then it's up to you to improve yourself ( through education, technical/vocational training, etc) to make you eligible for higher paying jobs. Don't whine because "poor you, the government hasn't set the minimum wage high enough". If it is set too high, then some companies will look elsewhere for their labor pool, or have to have less staff. Or even pass their increased labor costs onto their customers, and the snowball effect means that your higher minimum wage won't make a lot of difference because the costs of everything will go up too. | |
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Posted: 12/25/2008 4:18:48 PM |
Could you live on $9hrs?
I will guess this is supposed to be the main queiry of this thread. The answer is yes i could, i would however need to change my lifestyle dramatically. It is only 12 years ago i was supporting my family of 5 on $9.25. I don't believe costs have gotten that much more and i am alone now so it would be a lot easier.
It seems to me this is the same discussion that was going on when i first started in the forums. Doesn't change and the outcome is always the same. It's always going to be the same thing government puts up wage, prices go up to reflect the new cost (rightfully) the poor are the only ones who actually lose because their standard of living just went down because they have less net income in relation to the net additional expenses.
As with most things i have to agree with Haywiresue on this one. I will add that minimum wage is not to be used as a wage to live off but as a suplemental wage either in a second job or for those who need a subsistance such as pensioners or students who are living at home. Minimum wage should be treated like welfare or unemployment in that it is a short term usage thingy by design.
Naturally someone brought welfare into the discussion and claims they ONLY pay $850 total. First that is hogwash, there is no way they would get away with paying anyone with kids or even a couple $850 monthly. The liberals would be all over the media with that. Second i was raised on welfare and know that they pay far more than that ......... even waaaay back then. No rent to pay for, hydro was paid, free food, clothing allowance and these days they added an entertainment allotment.
All the discussion and arguement will not change the fact that no matter what the government sets the minimum wage at you are still responsible to look after yourself. Most people will not find a way to subsist on $9/hr and if it were raised to $20/hr the economy of the day would dictate that most still would not find a way. Anyone who is actually trying to live on a minimum wage job is a fool and would be best served by government to be institutionalized until they learn how to fend for themselves better. Better yet those who would simply keep raising the wage would be a kinder person if they were to educate these people into wanting better jobs and better lifestyles for their children. It is the poor who keep themselves poor and those who offer empty programs such as welfare and unemployment as well as minimum wage increases are simply their enablers. | |
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Posted: 12/25/2008 6:30:17 PM | ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ good points dudley
I'd be more likely to support seeing them let us improve our lifestyle by slashing taxes we pay rather than increasing minimum wage. | |
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Posted: 12/25/2008 7:01:13 PM | susan cd i can agree to that. Cut or eliminate taxes for low income workers who show an effort to improve their lot. Couple these tax breaks with education in the trades and you raise the ability of these people to become self sufficient and contributing members of society as well as fill the void of qualified tradesmen. For this i would pay a little more in taxes rather than raise the minimum wage and simply have my cost of living go up and no advantage shown to anyone. Actually the NDP would do get an advantage by raising the minimum wage as they retain and even gain votes.
If i have 50 employees and their wage goes up 25 cents per hour over a 40 hour week that has cost me $500 in wages plus increased payroll taxes, increased workers compensation payments, increased unemployment insurance payments. If i am working on a minimal profit margin i may have to go so far as to apply for a higher line of credit at least for a short term. I may get refused this if the business is at all shakey and become put out of business because Doer wants to buy his votes. Some small businesses are on a very tight budget already and if just starting out it becomes a scenario that is a possibility. Guess i've always been a company man at heart, if the company doesn't make it nobody gets paid. | |
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Posted: 12/26/2008 7:10:10 AM | you don't see it cuz you don't want to see the reality that a car company is not
worth the evolution of bancrupty....but the government never ran in and set new regualtions for farming...they simply set a no more hog barn and walked away...so why allow a car company to stack the deck and posion the entire economy...let it flat line i say.(farming is expected to recover without being spoon fed..whats wrong not enuff canadians depend on that segment here...wtf)
let the big three go to the sky like hog barns packin animals 5 high and wondering why folks are getting sicker and sicker from this method of food production...(perhaps the car companies need some ukie lighting! roar)
Car companies have destroyed the entire economy by pretending they deserve the nostalga of not diversifying to match economics and the end of fossel fuel....so they made a decision to go the wrong way ....let them fall off the edge and stop pretending the entire world needs there high overpriced product cuz they do not.
this bail out is laffable when you have homeless people ignored and dying too...
reminds me of the ban on that reporter who was snatched and the news decided to not publicize it...how slick...
when it is for your own segment you get involved and rewrite the rules but when it is not...govn ignores it. (how many farm families where eliminated with hog barn production subsidized by our government....same as car bull crap..
since the government is subsidizing car companies it is fare to assume they agree with 85,000 for a forklift driver.........but if your not car company you can starve on the street and die in emergency rooms in wheelchairs.
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Posted: 12/26/2008 7:22:50 AM | Susan CD, I disagree about slashing taxes - I would prefer to see the taxation reviewed. In order to have the government services we have in this country it requres tax money. Now the complaint I have is the layers of taxes we pay. If everyone paid a flat tax on each dollar earned things would be fair, as everyone would be paying for the services provided by government that they have access and the priviledge of using. Other countries do this and it works great. This way everyone is responsible to pay. IMO I believe that if all of the adult people (18 and up in this country) were paying taxes on income earned, consumption taxes could be reduced or eliminated. This of course would require the government to have a balanced budget and for some government political parties to not view the public purse as a bucket with no bottom. However this all part of a complete reform of the government, its staffing and operation and delivery methods. Unfortunately some of the D!ck Heads we elect are only interested in their own personal agenda and paybacks of government funds to their political supporters. Its unfortunate that may people only see what would benefit them personally, and not see the big picture of what the benefits of a fair taxation system would do for everyone in the country, province or city they live in. One country, one set of taxes paid for by all adults who reside in this country who earn an income, for equality in services to all who live here - no exceptions.
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Posted: 12/26/2008 7:43:53 AM | stands on line ...............raises hands in air and falls backwards....
not for this cookie...smellin the roses.................. falls backwards....
i am a lover not a fighter....would much rather make snow angels...you can throw "balls" all you want.......roar.
oh mod we need lil snow angel rub marks.....please////and piles of lil dog poop for other times. would be soooooooooooooooooooo cute...lil a nano pet...going now | |
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| Manitoba to hike minimum wage to $9
Posted: 12/26/2008 8:07:33 AM | | Just so you know Sue, even going to university is no guarantee of getting a decent paying job. I went to university for 4 years and am making just over minimum wage. I live in a tiny crappy apartment, live pretty frugally and am barely scraping by. I don't own a car (I rely on transit) because it's cheaper. Unless you have a professional degree or went to trade school, even with 4 years of university, you're not going to be able to get a decent job. My goal was to get a professional degree (Law) but now I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place. Do I get that better job? I've looked at funding options. I'm not aboriginal or anything so no special government programs for me. U of M doesn't offer any sort of payment plan (you pay the day tuition is due or you get an extra $50 charge and good luck trying to take out books from the library or geting your grades ect). Military? I'd last 2 seconds. Plus with the time committment the military requires from you, you don't really have enough time to go to law school and study and do decently. So my only option left is student loans. Thousands upon thousands of dollars in student loans. And being $50,000 in debt at the age of 27 is not an appealing option. Also, working during law school is generally not an option, especially for someone like me who has to spend a great deal of time studying to get decent grades. Law school is a full time job with a ton of overtime (think 14+ hour days Monday to Friday and 10 hours on Saturday and Sunday). With a schedule like that there is no time to work, so to actually be able to eat I'll have to take out additional student loans so I'm probably looking at closer to $80 grand in debt. A lot of people are facing the same problems. It's not as easy as you think it is to go to school. | |
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