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Posted: 10/6/2004 8:23:10 PM | What is hell?
Is there such a place as hell?
Some people say "hell" means a grave.
Others say hell is a place of eternal fire.
My friend who is a Jehova's Witness says the people who died are death until Jesus comes back and then the bad ones are gonna be burnt to death again and only a few thousands will live.... something like that.
What does the bible say about hell? What do other books and religions say about hell? If anything?
I like the sound it makes, HELL 
What the hell?
Who the hell?
Go to hell.
inferno
hades
Can you talk about hell, please. | |
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Posted: 10/7/2004 9:51:08 AM | The Bible speaks of the dead..."they know nothing". They are DEAD....and when the time comes, they will be rising from their graves, covered with living whole flesh, and first to be called to heaven. THEY will be first. You don't "die and go to heaven". Nope...doesn't work that way.
Hell is part of mans imagination...Dantes inferno. An artists renditioning of eternal life for the wicked. The devil shown with horns and forked tail, etc. Lucifer is/was the best loved angel of God....the most beautiful one of all. He tried his hand at creation, following the bosses' example, and, like a child trying to creat a parents works, failed in his attempt. Of course God got all freaked out about it, and tried to kick Lucifer out of heaven for it, rather than encouraging him to try again, or show him where he made the mistakes, as WE would do with our children or followers. Lucifer took great offense against this, and started a civil war. (War in Heaven), and had many angels follow him. Remember, these were gods favoured, till god made men, and all of a sudden, they are second best. It caused great friction and frustration with many angels. Anyhow's....Lucifer and the rebels were cast out of heaven.
References to hades (hell) may be attributed to the destruction of bodies, so that there are NO remains except for dust. The Egyptians tried hard to have their bodies preserved in the expectation of revival here on earth. they went to great lengths to ensure their bodies were there for their resurrection.
Hades was a garbage dump (north of Jerusalem I believe) where the corpses of criminals and the condemned were covered with sulphur and brimstone and burned with the rest of the trash, thereby destroying the body to a point where it could never be "resurrected". To be dumped into "Hades" was not a good thing back then. I can imagine parents telling their kids to "be good or you will wind up in Hades", along with all the bad people! | |
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Posted: 10/7/2004 4:11:12 PM | "References to hades (hell) may be attributed to the destruction of bodies, so that there are NO remains except for dust. The Egyptians tried hard to have their bodies preserved in the expectation of revival here on earth. they went to great lengths to ensure their bodies were there for their resurrection.
Hades was a garbage dump (north of Jerusalem I believe) where the corpses of criminals and the condemned were covered with sulphur and brimstone and burned with the rest of the trash, thereby destroying the body to a point where it could never be "resurrected". To be dumped into "Hades" was not a good thing back then. I can imagine parents telling their kids to "be good or you will wind up in Hades", along with all the bad people!"
Interesting, i've never heard that reference before about the garbage dump. | |
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Posted: 10/7/2004 5:04:28 PM | Sheol is the place where they dumped the bodies and yes hell sprung from that literal place. It was more than just criminals. It was all sorts and when you had a plague it looked like the valley of hell.
Jesus did refer to another place beings went... "There will be wailing and nashing of the teeth" The place where Lucifer is locked is the place Jesus is referring too. You really have to understand who the 'Ancients of Days' are or you will not understand iniquity and rebellion from divine will. The Ancients control whether a personality can be destroyed or not. This acutally gets really deep.
Considering the fact that reincarnation has been proven, hell would just be a story to fear you into belief. | |
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Posted: 10/7/2004 5:44:45 PM | read the book to hell and back by rawlings. he was a secular heart surgon. that had seen many people die and come back to life. he gives the accounts of what his pacients recalled and woke up screeming to. it was not the fuzzy warm light.. since then he has become a christian.. but if your a beliver or not it is still a facinating read. and gives you chills.
Also my mother was a trama nurse and told me of a man that died and was revived and was screaming about hell and demons tearing at him. this man would not sleep and requested a nun to stay with him.. after three days with the nun and him asking JESUS in to his live this man died at total peace.
The bible warns of hell and a just GOD will punish sin. so be warned. to be wronge is to be terribally wronge for eternity. | |
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Posted: 10/7/2004 7:01:02 PM | God is love...
You don't know the history of the bible you only know the traditional religious fundamentalist viewpoint that is a based on a form of mythology recreation.
Moses and his tribe worshipped Horeb - God of the Mountain a tribal god that was jealous and vengeful god and one of four tribal gods of the Palestinians. Moses needed to introduce the one God in order to help them understand God. It didn't work well as you can see in the bible and not only that it confuses a majority of the people today. Hell is not in the original conversion of the bible from Hebrew or Sanscrit. Jesus never made a direct reference to Hell and never made a refence to God being anything but love. Punishment is not love. You have contradicted yourself with your own faith.
A few question for your thoughts...
How many of you have read the bible from front to back? Do you even know what the Nephilim are? The Annunaki? Do you know who Osiris is? How many times have you read the bible? Have you also studied the other religions and history at each period of time? Have you looked at the origions or religion which began in India and Egypt? The scientific origion on man?
"The bible is not the word of God. It's the word of man. It's been converted into a poor fable after the last 2000 years compared to what's really happening in this universe, what is going on is so much more glorious and wonderful than any book could ever portray. It's used for fear based religious proganda and that is the opposite of God which is love." Anonymous Astronomer
Do you comprehend the origion of the trinity? Do you realize the mother has been stripped from the bible? Do you even know the difference between sin and iniquity? Do you know who the Ancients of Days? The Elders? Did you know that Ezekiel was talking to a divine extraterrestrail being that came to him in a craft? Did you know that Jesus referred to John as Enoch of old come again? Do you know who the essences were? Are you aware of a modern day prophet called Edgar Casey? The A.R.E.? What Occult really means?
There are so many things that the majority of the public doesn't know and has not taken the time to research but they are willing to repeat something without question. Until you have a more complete understanding it would be wise not to preach things that are from your own belief system. If you are speaking from the divine word of god then please tell me more?
"Test all spirits whether they are of God." John
Are you just believing what you are being told or have you really touched truth through experience and wisdom? This is the ultimate question when you pronounce something? Are you repeating a book are you repeating the divine voice? Did you learn this directly from a divine being?
Interesting Questions for those that enjoy the bible...
When Jesus rose on the third day why didn't the apostles recognize him but knew it was him?
"It's the dead words of dead prophets, the living word of God is buried in your breast." Essene scrolls
What is the esoteric meaning of this phrase? | |
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Posted: 10/7/2004 7:12:59 PM | | Dude get off the drugs and on your meds.. your mixing religions. | |
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Posted: 10/7/2004 7:33:37 PM | Silverhorn777, I have to admit I don't know absolutely anything. I haven't read anything.
But some people know less and they still think they know more.
I don't know if you know all the answers to your own questions. But I can tell that you are not joking. Even though I have no idea of the meaning or any understanding of what you just wrote. I can say that I recognize many of the words, terms, and names you just mention. I have heard them before in conversations, tv or written somewhere.
I have a very vague idea of everything. In the end I'm totally ignorant, but so is almost everybody else. They only want to know their own truth. The truth is that there is no truth.
One second after you're dead, I thing that's it for you. So let's live our truth and try to share or explore or maybe understand the truth of others. | |
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Posted: 10/7/2004 8:33:43 PM | First of all very well said jimi!!!
FAITH is all u need, I know the bible is the lords way and should be everybodys way. I am pretty ignorant when it comes to it as well, but I do know that I have faith, and that comes from nobody but the lord. So I put faith in the lord that I will be taught the correct way!!!
FAITH answers all of ur questions and I would be curiiuos as to ur answers to ur own questions!!! | |
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Posted: 10/7/2004 10:47:04 PM | There is no proof as to who the many different people were that wrote the thousands of scripts that eventually became the bible. For all I know they are fictional stories written by ancient people for storytelling. My point is nobody knows. Therefore I'm forced to ingore the Bible.
Having said that I lean towards the scientific theory for how everything started. I'm not saying God or Jesus do not exist. I'm just saying I cannot prove or disprove they exist but choose to think they do not exist. That makes me agnostic, I believe. Actually, I'd like to believe in God but it just isn't logical to me.
What gets me is the whole Heven vs. Hell thing. What is being said in this forum is if right before you die you accept Jesus/God as your saviour then you go to Heaven. Well what is that? What about all the sins throughout your life? What if you killed 500 people and you get the death sentence. You SHOULD go straight to hell. Apparently not if you accept Jesus as your saviour. That means if you were the nicest, most caring person in the whole world but don't accept Jesus then you go to hell???? The whole thing doesn't make any sense to me.
Don't even get me started about praying!
BTW this is an interesting forum. You guys seem nice.
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Posted: 10/8/2004 12:05:32 AM | Silver...you've brought a sh*tload in here to yak about. Nice one!!!
I've heard the theories of ET's "seeding" the earth with livng things....could be...could be not...hard to say. Could go a long way to explaining a lot of things...even some that is in the Bible.
Too darned beat right now to get into this stuff though...
Blessed be all... | |
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Posted: 10/8/2004 2:17:55 AM |
First of all very well said jimi!!!
FAITH is all u need, I know the bible is the lords way and should be everybodys way. I am pretty ignorant when it comes to it as well, but I do know that I have faith, and that comes from nobody but the lord. So I put faith in the lord that I will be taught the correct way!!!
FAITH answers all of ur questions and I would be curiiuos as to ur answers to ur own questions!!!
good that faith is helping you out and making you happy.. but i have to disagree with "FAITH is all u need, I know the bible is the lords way and should be everybodys way."
should only be the way of those who believe.. i have faith in myself and no one else, i have no faith in god, or lord or whatever, cause its not my belief.. faith answers your questions, but it does nothing for mine.. | |
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Posted: 10/8/2004 2:35:02 AM | "Dude get off the drugs and on your meds.. your mixing religions."
I've been studying Occult History, Religion and Philosphy for 18 over 18 years. Get of the acussations that do not relate to the discussion. Its take a mature person to repsond to my post you might want to stop responding to me if you can't hold your own. I'm in the military I don't do drugs. I'm one of the few rational people I know.
If you have the ability to discern what I was saying in the first place you wouldn't have even made the comment about 'mixing religions.' Add something useful besides a negative response please.
"The blind can't see their blindness." Teren
Why don't you explain what religions I'm mixing... and where I ever said that I was talking about one religion? I'm speaking about religion as a whole. If you know so much why don't you provide some sort of source to back your comment? Your generalization is lacking merit and your limited response leaves you with little credibility as a person. I was hoping for more of a discussion than primitive slanders. If you don’t understand something I said don’t get upset just ask me.
“There is no proof as to who the many different people were that wrote the thousands of scripts that eventually became the bible. For all I know they are fictional stories written by ancient people for storytelling. My point is nobody knows. Therefore I'm forced to ingore the Bible.”
The Essene scrolls are very explicit and historically show what went on 2000 years ago. The Sumerian left a detailed history that is fascinating and is the mirror in which the old testament was crafted. No one knows the whole truth but you can form a pretty good idea by using the scientific approach. Using history, philosophy, science, and intuition you can discover the simple truths that run this universe. It has been scientifically proven there is a spirit in the body. From this you have to question the origin of the spirit.
You must define faith and belief for yourself.. Knowing something through experience is more powerful than faith and belief. Actual supercedes potential one every level of reality.. Blind faith is foolish and unwise. There is no end to seeking truth but it seems many of you have settled for something you know very little about. I suggest you dig dipper in the spirit and the world to find truth and never stop being vigilant in you search for God. Those who support the bible on faith alone are not seekers of truth and the bible is all about seeking truth. | |
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Posted: 10/8/2004 2:36:41 AM | "Jesus said "I am the Way the Truth and the Life nobody comes to the Father against through Me" that's pretty strait forward. Jesus, the ONLY way, and if we ALL look inside our hearts and spirit we know that. Praise the Lord Jesus Christ now and forever, Amen."
This is on the level of a cult attitude... As a matter of fact the difference between a cult and religion... Cult is not big enough to be a religion and a religion is a cult that is big enough to be a religion. Do not limit yourself to religion or belief systems go beyond and find the experiential knowledge that your soul seeks in order to assimilate wisdom for the spirit.
Christanity is a way of life... example Baptist, Catholic, etc...
I quoted the sentence above because it is based on faith. Faith is cool, but truth is much more potent. The new testament is incomplete and **stardized, what you're reading is not the real story and I hate to break the news to some of you. The dead sea scrolls contradict most of the new testament and they are 2000 years old. The Sumerian religion predates the bible and its history is the bible converted to mythology. Christian religions are all flawed at best. I'm not saying Jesus didn't come or he isn't who he is. He is the Son of Man and the Son of God and the Universal Sovreign. Most people dont' even know the beast and the dragon are different personalities, meaning Lucifer and Satan are two different beings. Pagan religion is earth magic and limited at best to earthly power. Satanism is reatarded joke in poor taste, sorry if I offended the ignorant, do as you wish you will one day find true wisdom.
I always like to say... "the pentagram means earth, air, fire, water and spirit crowns them all, and the pentagram turned upside down means you don't know anything."
"I am the way, I am the path, I am the light, nodoby comes to the father but through me." This is so often taken literally and the esoteric meaning is not pondered. Strange how I can pick up any bible and come up with a differnet sentence for the same quote in each one. How strait forward is that? You are hoping that you know and you have complete faith but I have to tell you that we are all the sons and daughters of god, Jesus may be powerful on many levels but you are equal to him in spirit, no greater and no lesser. Jesus/Michael is much more than just a human being that saved the people of this world. In this univesre he is the direct ruling force and something more graceful than you can imagine.
The most obviously flaw in the bible or most religions is... The Mother Spirit is nowhere to be found. The feminine is equal to masculine, period. Argue if you want but if you search your spirit you will realize this flaw right away. The second biggest flaw is the fact most people think this is the only planet in the entire universe with life on it, that thinks, feels and lives with spirit. There are billions of inhabited worlds in this universe. The majority of people on this planet are new spirits in the universe and lack the inherent ability to connect to the higher order of beings in the universe.
"Heaven is at hand" The esotetic meaing of this phrase is awesome. It means that you are a piece of heaven, that the spirit is in you by default. It is a piece of god. The bible is laced with occult knowledge that the majority of this world is unfamiliar with. For example.. Who know what the secret of the rainbow is? Hint: It was mentioned in the bible as a pact between god and noah.
Religion is a platform to begin understanding the occult reality of the cosmos.
"There is no religion in heaven things are just the way they are." Teren
I'm a latitudarian...
This is in another post but also has meaning here. | |
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Posted: 10/8/2004 2:56:40 AM | yna6,
Just getting tired of people preaching to the world about things they know very little about. I'm tired of people misleading people with belief systems and religions. I figured the dark ages would have taught us that much. It's time for this world to grow up and join the cosmic community. I've experienced some things first hand that have altered my child like perceptions and matured me as a spirit. I've travelled the world and studied with some of the most amazing minds of this age. After what I've learned I feel I should share the idea of truth again. It seems to be the lost key of wisdom on earth at this point. I will question all spirits that bring divine wisdom forth and preach about it, to see if it is truly from a divine source. I have a tendency to be critical of affectacious people because they are not presenting divine wisdom they are just repeating a shared and or personal belief system.
Thus, I test all spirit whether they are of God... Because a majority of people beleive the same thing is doesn't mean you are right and all the faith in the universe cannot change the truth.
Who here has spoken to Jesus Christ in person? Who here has heard the voice of God? have any of you spoke with any of the Angels? Well until you do you don't know the truth and you are not aligned with God the way you think you are and even if you do you need to test those spirit whether they are of God also. You must keep seaching for truth every minute of everyday. | |
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Posted: 10/8/2004 3:47:50 AM | "Just getting tired of people preaching to the world about things they know very little about." Well, if they knew a lot about it, why would they need you to 'preach' them about things? Maybe they are getting tired listening to you preach?
I'm tired of people misleading people with belief systems and religions. Oooh! A self-elected Authority that is in the know about Religions - Maybe a God, albeit in military uniform above Gods? Picture-Perfect example 18 Years getting one's head deeper & deeper stuck in the sand.
Now this should lighten things up just a touch, huh?...lol | |
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Posted: 10/8/2004 4:13:59 AM | | well if you religouse nuts are allowed to preach.. then i believe he his right too.. he make a good argument, ive yet to see what yours is against him.. | |
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Posted: 10/8/2004 6:45:30 AM | ...And yet another goodie as the result of 18 years of research & study by "silverthorn's Fabulous Worlds": "I'm one of the few rational people I know."
Where do I bow?......lmao...just all a little too hilarious.
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Posted: 10/8/2004 7:13:10 AM | Silver...you might want to chat with FallenAngel...she seems to have heard something, then again (nothing meant by this Fallen), those who profess to have heard god, or angels or christ are usually locked up, or medicated, whatever by us.
You seem to have some points in your arguments....but we, as a species seem to have this penchant of killing people who seem to be bearing the truth. (In other words, watch your a$$!) Or killling off gods of each others. Dunno what the punishment is for dietycide....LOL! Maybe if you do one in, it's YOUR turn in the barrel!
I do not believe that we are the only intelligent species in the universe...odds are way against it....but I do feel that we will, given time, be able to meet these species on a level ground sometime. Makes me wonder what differences may have happened if Cook had met Polynesians at sea rather than on their lands..... | |
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Posted: 10/8/2004 10:11:17 AM | "Just getting tired of people preaching to the world about things they know very little about." Well, if they knew a lot about it, why would they need you to 'preach' them about things? Maybe they are getting tired listening to you preach?
I'm tired of people misleading people with belief systems and religions. Oooh! A self-elected Authority that is in the know about Religions - Maybe a God, albeit in military uniform above Gods? Picture-Perfect example 18 Years getting one's head deeper & deeper stuck in the sand.
Now this should lighten things up just a touch, huh?...lol
First make note that this post was not addressed to you so please don't get personal about it. You are judging me without questioning me which puts you in the wrong medium to communicate with anyone. I'm not preaching, I'm relaying historical information and giving references, I'm questioning a persons comment and the source of that information and if you were paying attention you would have picked that up in what I already wrote. It amazes me how you attacked me on the very thing I was talking about but failed to discern it. I was giving you my credentials because it has importance to the conversation and the questions I'm aksing. I was also making a valid point which you avoided or just plain refuse to accept.
You are a perfect example of opinionated ignorance in action, sorry to have to say that, and loaded with sarcasm. You have failed to brings questions to the table, answer questions, or even present yourself in a position of wisdom. I'm asking questions not telling you what the truth is. Are you going to attack my character or discuss the issue?
Once again the parts of the post you are quoting did not have your name at the top. It was addressed to someone else and as a third party it would probably be wise to adjust your position and present yourself better. If you want to discuss something we can talk, if you want to be judgemental and a character assassin please don't respond to my post.
Lastly, I'm not touchy as you have misunderstood, I'm tired of hearing people tell me things that are second hand and not very factual. The whole basis of my post was about truth. What truth are you bringing to this thread? | |
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Posted: 10/8/2004 1:58:50 PM | Silver: this post was not addressed to you so please don't get personal about it. Of course, nothing personal taken, nor did I give that impression anywhere. This is a forum, where anyone can respond/reply back to anyone's post.
You are judging me without questioning me = Bolony. Figment of your imagination.
giving you my credentials Who cares about your or anyone else's credentials. Means absolutely squat. This doesn't make you god, nor give you the right to adjucate, speak or condescendingly generalize on behalf of what other people do or do not know about religion.
Are you that arrogantly "Godly" where you can claim/adjucate people misleading other people with belief systems and religions? Are you that "All-knowing" due to your "credentials" that you feel completely at liberty to tell them what they know and what they don't know?
You are a perfect example of opinionated ignorance in action Another completely baseless call from a "Higher Power" above, for anyone who even thinks they can question your condescending arrogance.
brings questions to the table, answer questions, or even present yourself in a position of wisdom. I guess you get the point? I am not interested debating anything, except point out your heightened Self-centered sense of Authority, feeling completely at ease telling others who "They" are, because after all you have degrees/credentials in respect to Fairy Tales? There is nothing much of any value you have presented so far to discuss, except what I have written here, that being, that you are completely full of yourself.
Are you going to attack my character or discuss the issue? Never did either! You have little in the way of any actual issues, so far nothing but self-adjucated Smoke & Mirrors or irrelevant or useless information. I am not interested discussing Fairy Tales that cannot be substantiated.
I'm tired of hearing people tell me things that are second hand and not very factual. Who cares? You are no better, (although you think you are an authority making such judgements upon other people) since you have presented nothing other than of illogical rederick.
What truth are you bringing to this thread? Although the thread is about "Hell", and not "truth", Truth can be substantiated & proven, and not to be confused with your non-sense. There is no requirement to bring any truth to this thread, nor is the thread about truth. It's about Religion, whether for or against. Anyone may present their views here. Since its far too time-consuming, nor am I particularly inclined nor interested in the first place, I don't care to endlessly address and counter-refute every bit of irrationality that you post here.
Next thing you'll be telling everyone what they should believe, since you have credentials and self-assumed Authority to do so. | |
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Posted: 10/8/2004 2:36:33 PM | | I'm sorry you have issues about people who have taken the time to find the truth and attempt to help people find it for themselves. You are the person acting as if you are some authority on who I am and what I was saying. Unfortunatley you completely failed to understand what I was saying. I will not be responding to you any longer because you offer nothing this coversation. | |
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Posted: 10/8/2004 4:47:55 PM | Silver: I'm sorry you have issues about people who have taken the time to find the truth and attempt to help people find it for themselves. Silver, do you just make these things up as you go along, or something you found on the way while pulling your head out of the sand?
You are obsessively telling me and others WHO we are, how dumb or ignorant we supposedly are in respect to religions under your "Godly Eyes". None of this amounts to having issues with anyone finding whatever they like. Your condescending assessments of people also does not amount to helping them. I couldn't care less how much time you took to find whatever you were looking for. It doesn't impress me even in the very least. Should you however decide to get off your self-absorbed high horse, it might just raise some eyebrows for the better. And no, I do not care what you say, as I mentioned in a previous message, I am not here to discuss anything with you, nor receive your self-adjucated assessments as to who you think I am, what I can or cannot do, nor what your limited concepts of my powers may or may not be.
You are the person acting as if you are some authority on who I am and what I was saying. Total Crap again! Ha! Are you a parrot feeding me back what I had previously said to you? Do you not have any shred of insight?
State you opinions, but stop bitching being tired about those "ignorant" people you are supposedly wanting to help. And before you do, it might be a good idea you ask if they even want your help in the first place! | |
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Posted: 10/8/2004 5:58:24 PM | | how come you can say b*tching but not jackass on here????? | |
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Posted: 10/8/2004 5:59:19 PM | now they changed it why can you say b*tching ticket to ride???
[You can use and say any word you want. There is no restriction other than the filters on site that replace extremely profane terms, or portions thereof with ****./Ticket] | |
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