| | China's Arms build up.Page 1 of 10 (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10) | Chinas decade long military expansion is just now being noticed by the Bush admistration. I guess the Carnegie Endowment web site isn't on Rummies "favorites" list.
The Chinese have been buying up all sorts of goodies from the Russians and their former satillites for quiet some time now. The Europeans, after getting screwed by Uncle Sam on other trade deals, decided to cash in as well.
Perhaps the most interesting little bit of kit they purchased was the "silkworm" missile. This is a super sonic missile that is designed to deable, not sink, an aircraft carrier, which incidently is at the heart of Uncle Sam's plan to defend Tiawan.
Additionally, China has also expanded it's previously tiny nuclear a***nal to levels sufficient over whelm any proposed missile shield.
All this has been widely reported, but the same group that was asleep at the switch on 9/11, saw WMD's in Iraq, and still hasn't caught Bin Laden; didn't see it coming.
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Posted: 6/26/2005 10:54:16 AM | But we can buy cheaper goods and in the long run job loss is good for the economy.
It's working out so that by the time they can take us over there won't be anything left to lose. | |
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Posted: 6/26/2005 10:58:20 AM | | Perhaps Bush and Co. are ahead in the game... In order to keep an industrial military complex up and running you eventually have to unload some arms and discharge ammo in order to justify more spending on more defence. The pointless war in Iraq might just be about getting ready for China. | |
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Posted: 6/26/2005 11:15:35 AM | So, who started this new nuclear arms race, anyway?
Do you think it might have been a member of the same family that helped start world war II and funding Hitler? ...and then made money selling weapons to both sides after it started????and had a personal relationship with the family of the man who engineered 911?
do you think other nations aren't doing this in response to his breaking treaties and testing nuclear weapons again? and unprovoked military aggression?
Can you say "Follow the money trail?"
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Posted: 6/26/2005 11:16:20 AM | ^^ (above the last double post) thats the most terrifying thing ive read....
you know how many people died in iraq?!!!
even though its right up Bush's lane..to even insinuate that is an incredibly sad reality.
Bush is definately not ahead of the game....unless the same can be said for saddam and the 9/11 attacks. You know "we just wanted to clear some land..what??!! we let them do it!..."
and if bush is ahead of the game in Iraq...god only help the world, cause we're all screwed.
America despite its military dominance simply does not have the capacity..nor does ANY nation to stand up to the Chinese war machine. I mean come on..cant you see that the rest of the world is terrified of these guys..
what third world nation has VETO power in the UN?.....only china-and only because the world doesnt want to piss them off. Its kinda like chamberlains theory of appeasment.
Napoleon once said "China is a sleeping giant, and when she wakes- the world will know it"
"give any nation a gun and they will start war- give the chinese a stick and they'll conquer the world"
culturally though i honestly think we have far less to worry about with the chinese than the Americans. just look back on history. | |
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Posted: 6/26/2005 11:27:18 AM | The China issue is going to be on the table for a while. It is not like the current administration is to blame for anything going on in China.
Internationally, China is a responsible nation and has not attempted to export it's military might beyond it's historical borders. The big issue right now is Taiwan, but I think that within a few years Taiwan will but a few Nukes and a MAD scenario will keep the peace.
Internally, China is a fascist state ( it is certainly not communist anymore) with a poor human rights record and a history of brutality and little tolerance for dissent. China is however a comparatively stable state, and given the history of China over the last 150 years it is understandable why the Chinese put such a premium on stability at all costs. Concerns are riseing over the geographical and regional inequalities caused by Chinas economic boom, where the wealth is concentrated in a costal/urban area, and the working class in the interior of China is getting very upset.
I think that China's biggest move onto the world stage is when Chinese oil companies buy up oil in some backwards nation, and then China takes on the role of that countries global protector, complete with a few military bases and a permenant military presence. This will be a sign that China is moving into that elite class of nations capable of doing this. This will not happen until China has an aircraft carrier or two on the go. | |
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Posted: 6/26/2005 11:43:02 AM | | there will never EVER be peace until we stop thinking this way....dah.... | |
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Posted: 6/26/2005 2:09:19 PM |
It's working out so that by the time they can take us over there won't be anything left to lose.
 HOw very true | |
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Posted: 6/26/2005 2:43:03 PM | | I don't understand the point of this thread. Other than to bring up yet another topic which peple can somehow blame Bush for. What do you want done about China? I mean, seriously, what would you like Bush to do about China? You want us to blockade them? Or declare war? Or become buddies? It's entirely too easy to point your finger at someone and b*tch, so let's get constructive here. | |
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Posted: 6/26/2005 3:18:45 PM |
than to bring up yet another topic which peple can somehow blame Bush for
Yeah, your right, why should anyone expect the leader of the free world to deal with reds from the far east. | |
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Posted: 6/26/2005 3:23:04 PM | Again, what do you want him to do? How would you have him "deal" with China? Can anyone give me a simple answer, or will I be proved right by their silence?
the leader of the free world
Last I heard, he was only the leader of the US, with very limited support in international dealings. | |
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Posted: 6/26/2005 3:26:17 PM | Well, how did the United States deal with Russia?
How can you inanely ask 'what do you expect us to do!?' when Dubya seems to know *exactly* how do deal with the terrorist threat from the middle east. This thread stems from the same argument on why Bush ignored North Korea in favour of going to Iraq. | |
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Posted: 6/26/2005 3:28:12 PM | | china has every right to build their army. so does every other nation, despite what we think about them. we have no right to tell anyone what they can and can't do. | |
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Posted: 6/26/2005 3:31:14 PM | | Jack you answered my question, with a question. And, proved me correct with your striking out at Bush. It's ok if you have no idea how to deal with it. I don't either. Do you really want us to deal with China, the same way we dealt with Russia? Should we arm Iraq again, to surreptitiously fight China, through Iran? Should we sell arms to the Contras, in an attempt to halt the spread of China-backed communism in South America? I think the old way of dirty dealings was not the best way. But, I suppose you're entitled to your opinion, even though you will likely gripe about the next step Bush takes, no matter what it is. | |
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Posted: 6/26/2005 3:31:22 PM |
china has every right to build their army. so does every other nation, despite what we think about them. we have no right to tell anyone what they can and can't do.
Of course they do, however one might expect the some sort of plan from the White House to deal with the ideological difference... Considering China may vary well one day be our new superpower. | |
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Posted: 6/26/2005 3:33:40 PM | | Ohhhh. So, you just want an ideological plan? Ok. How about we grant China favored nation status in trade, and try not to get in a nuclear war with them? That's a good ideology in my book. | |
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Posted: 6/26/2005 3:34:59 PM |
But, I suppose you're entitled to your opinion
Okay bulldog, I suppose your right. I don't have the foggest idea how to deal with it. So lets take a page from your book, we'll just ignore this problem and hope it vanishes. Discussion, what has that done for anybody? | |
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Posted: 6/26/2005 3:36:27 PM |
So, you just want an ideological plan
No, not at all. I want to hear something about the plan to deal with the ideological difference between the west and the far east. | |
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Posted: 6/26/2005 3:43:45 PM | Let'um take us over.....
Unless big brother wants to stop it ;) | |
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Posted: 6/26/2005 3:47:17 PM | | I don't see how they could be stopped. They are 1/5th of planet's population. Have a growing economy, and and will crush opposition beneath a tank. That's why I don't understand the point of this thread. Was it just to get a "neocon" to respond, so that the Bush-bashing could continue? Can the issue of China really be laid solely at the doorstep of America? No other country in the world can possibly do anything in regards to this issue? | |
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Posted: 6/26/2005 3:54:30 PM | I'm far from the expert, but I think one of the main things the Western world can do is to stop running such huge deficits - and to right the completely uneven trade balances we currently have with China.
China doesn't have to take over anything - we're currently handing it to them hand over fist. (i.e. who do you think is currently propping up the American dollar right now, despite the giant deficit of the US?) If China stopped pegging its currency to the American dollar right now, the greenback would take a dive that would decades to recover from...
Not that China is doing anything wrong here - the country is totally playing by the rules of capitalism. Ironic that a communist nation is using the rules of capitalism to come out on top, isn't it?... | |
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Posted: 6/26/2005 3:56:20 PM |
Was it just to get a "neocon" to respond, so that the Bush-bashing could continue?
Bush is one of the most controversial leaders of the world today... Your not going to find any thread dealing with national and internation politics without his name getting thrown around. Because it's always negative should tell you and other BUsh supporters something.
Can the issue of China really be laid solely at the doorstep of America
Who do you think the rest of the democratic world looks up too? | |
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Posted: 6/26/2005 4:00:46 PM |
Ohhhh. So, you just want an ideological plan? Ok. How about we grant China favored nation status in trade, and try not to get in a nuclear war with them? That's a good ideology in my book.
AWESOME IDEA!! 
Trade recipes too!! | |
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