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| Do you think that American women today, in general, suffer from "The Princess Syndrome"?
Posted: 2/20/2009 10:06:27 PM | Do you think that American women today, in general, suffer from "The Princess Syndrome"? I hear men complain about this quite a lot, and I'd love to hear what you think (Male or Female).
1. They don't have to apologize or admit when they are in the wrong. They have difficulty understanding the concept of "personal responsibility."
2. They feel they don't have to ask permission for anything. They have a poor sense of respectful boundaries and "stepping on other people's toes."
3. Their timetable and agenda takes precedence over others' schedules. In group situations, allowances of various kinds have to be made for them. For example, a group of friends' get-together time/date has to be changed to accommodate them, even though everyone else can make the original or customary time and date.
4. They expect (and truly believe they deserve) "high maintenance" (unusual purchases, extravagant gifts, fancy restaurants, great vacation trips, anything expensive, etc.) from any man that they allow regular sex with, i.e., husbands, boy friends, lovers. Sharing some expenses and going "Dutch" are insulting, abhorrent concepts. You are in the wrong for even mentioning it. They will extract a high price from any love-struck schmuck who is willing to "worship at her feet."
5. Princesses usually are the more attractive women. However, some plain, average-looking women will also exhibit this behavior, if they are clever and crafty, and think they can get away with it. They usually fail with men who have more awareness of this power struggle and game.
Having said the above, very unfortunately many affluent men accept this pathetic situation and deserve to shoulder some blame. They want an attractive, sexy woman in their lives and are willing to pay for it. This does not diminish the supply of "princesses." The current economic malaise does not help either. Hence, there are common expressions like "trophy wife," "bartered love," "golddigger" and “marriage of convenience.”
6. Princesses don't do "favors" (unless there is something in it for them.) | |
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| Do you think that American women today, in general, suffer from The Princess Syndrome?
Posted: 2/20/2009 10:29:46 PM | How intresting, a woman brought up this subject. I thought it was gonna be some bitter man complaining about this, and yes there is such a syndrome to where women think they are entitled to some sort of special treatment.
However I think its highly dependent on a few factors, regional culture, family rearing practices, influence of friends and most importantly, the demographics of the families and friends of the children of those families.
Regional Culture: The south is famous for the pedastool they put their ladies on. I for one can attest to that coming from the south. But up here in the northwest my observations has led me to conclude that while people here have money, they dont go showing it off and display it. The landlord who is a multi millionaire that developed my land literally lives in a shack and drives an old and rusty pick up truck.
Family Rearing Practices: How did you raise your girl? Did you tell her to earn her allowance or that toy she wanted or did you simply hand it to her? Also how often did you treat your daughter to getting her what she wanted? Did she have to do work around the house to earn her wants? Also how did you discipline her? Did you often let incidents slide? Hand out lukewarm punishments?
Influence by Friends: Lets say you had a girl who was lower middle class and lived in a neighborhood that had upper middle class homes and you daughter made life long friends with the upper class friends and often was treated to their activities. This can have a life long impact because the lower class girl sees how her friends parents treated her, a simple ask or persistent asking can always lead to an eventaul yes. The lower class girl then developed a perceived reality that her parents should treat her more often to what she wants.
Demographics: This can go either way. Either the girl living the high life will expect such a lifestyle. The middle class or low or even working class girl may have a completely different outlook depending on other factors or with all factors as I have stated above cannot reshape a good rearing practice by her family to see that the princess atitude isnt the way to live life. The other alternative is that the girl feels a sense of entitlement in looking for marriage material, looking for that man with money, or someone living a nice lifestyle. I mean who can blame her, she lived a life that was bare necessity and wants to feel some of the comforts that she feels she is missing out on. | |
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| Do you think that American women today, in general, suffer from The Princess Syndrome?
Posted: 2/21/2009 10:10:17 AM | | I'm close to 40 now and can't really say how younger woman are acting but I have heard of some interesting situations that I never saw when I was younger. Girls going out with guys and in exchange the guys pay their bills or take them shopping etc. Girls advertising their physical assets much much more then what I remember. I'm not complaining about that because my hormones still tend to rule lol. This isn't classsical prostitution but not that far off and not really a surprise considering our current pop. culture. The "princess syndrome" is really nothing more then narcissism and IMO nothing more then a sign that our culture still really dosn't expect woman to carry their own weight around but that a man needs to take care of them. Men and woman aren't stupid and there will always be some who see just how much they can get away with before culutral norms stop them and apparently idolising and infatuation with spoiled woman still seems to be popular. Look at all the news devoted to the Paris Hilton types. Us men have a lot to blame for this too, as long as we continue to think with our hormones and not our brains we condone these types of behavior. As long as we don't hold our daughters to the same standards as our sons we condone it. Then again no one is denying that men and woman are also fundamentally different. Just another puzzle really about how different the sexs are and how we still manage to get along. | |
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| Do you think that American women today, in general, suffer from The Princess Syndrome?
Posted: 2/21/2009 12:47:20 PM | | I don't know if it's a recent thing or not. There are many jokes from the 50's and 60's about women who went to college to get their Mrs. degree. I've come from a long line of hard working women and raised my daughter the same way. She was and is a very beautiful young woman, but she still had chores and needed to contribute to the purchase of her first car. I think women who are the princess type are the ones getting all of the press, and women who work hard and don't have unrealistic expectations aren't getting noticed. | |
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| Do you think that American women today, in general, suffer from The Princess Syndrome?
Posted: 2/21/2009 1:25:30 PM | Anamiluska
Are you worried that people consider you part of the "princess syndrome"? I just read your profile and to be honest you seem to fit it. No offense intended but you want a professional guy to give you what you deserve then you mention your favorite things are diamond rings and shopping. 
I too and quite surprised that a woman would bring this topic up, out of my terrible curiousity would you explain why this is such an interest to yourself? | |
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| Do you think that American women today, in general, suffer from The Princess Syndrome?
Posted: 2/22/2009 12:54:35 PM | Personally I wonder how females can manage without entering the "queen bee" arena. When I was a teen, there was the derogatory term "airhead" that was coined for the ethereal beauty of the barbie-look-alike, yet, popular media created the iconic figure for such with the Marilyn Monroe, Twiggy and subsequent figures. Now, we have a popular media that creates a commodity of "Brangelina" and worships marital infidelity, as one of the celebrated males leaves a more down-to-earth Jennifer Anniston for the "queen of her whims".
I have three daughters, two of whom are now teens. I have spent quite a bit of time making sure that they are well trained in math and science, since I have seen the research that few female students weather the social pressure of high school to retain the science and math skills. I have watched my teens' excellence at math dwindle as their sports skills have grown. How can we expect them to excel at those things that take significant preparation and net applause only from parents?
Similarly, adult females will gravitate to the behaviors that net them what they feel is a support for basic psychological needs. Most females I know value their social networking very highly. Those relationships are kept alive much better with lively, often near-crazy behaviors (not untrue for males either). Add in the reduced attention as friends get busy, looks from strangers possibly decrease, and changes in one's body that aren't self-flattering, the "princess phenomenon" only reasonably increases.
I would argue the way to combat the detrimental side of the phenomenon is to form relationships based on common interests. If we hang out with our friends to play tennis, because we like tennis. The dependence on other people to stroke our egos by controlling others doesn't enter in.
May I point out, less-than-gentlemen, that the tendency of males to act in a condemning role to a female asking a serious might be considered the male equivalent of the "queen bee" actions. Self-control and self-censorship are really the core needs in a social skill set. For me they are pretty elusive, unless I consider what the motives and feelings of the other person might be. | |
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| Do you think that American women today, in general, suffer from The Princess Syndrome?
Posted: 2/25/2009 1:00:11 AM | I just went out with a gal born and raised in a foriegn country.
If she was born and raised in the us she'd probably have the princess syndrome due to she is extremely attractive .
However she has none of those traits, she is an incredibly intelligent, funny, witty woman.
So culture is a MAJOR factor. In the US a beautiful woman has her butt kissed by EVERYONE constantly, meaning they get that attitude. Sad | |
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| Do you think that American women today, in general, suffer from The Princess Syndrome?
Posted: 2/25/2009 12:16:55 PM |
I just went out with a gal born and raised in a foriegn country.
If she was born and raised in the us she'd probably have the princess syndrome due to she is extremely attractive .
However she has none of those traits, she is an incredibly intelligent, funny, witty woman.
So culture is a MAJOR factor. In the US a beautiful woman has her butt kissed by EVERYONE constantly, meaning they get that attitude. Sad
I do agree with you on that foreign born women are usually more pleasant to be around, but some of them know their looks are valuable, so essentially you do have some of them that end up with the same attitude. It seems that you are targeting attractive women specifically; this is not necessarily the case. I’m going to use Washington as an example; in this state there are plenty of fat atrocious looking women who view themselves as a princess. Thus, they act the same as the attractive women do. It is more of a cultural thing than it is a physical looks thing. In this state women are pampered regardless of looks, often the more attractive ones get more attention, thus resulting in a bunch of bitter gals that are not that attractive. The point of this is that foreign women are usually more pleasant regardless of their looks; they usually have a more positive attitude than American women.
Oh yeah, on a side note, I did realize that the way you stated this sounds like you are intenally trying to get a rise out of some of the females that read this thread.
Disclaimer:
Yes, I am aware that my statements could be considered too generalized, that is not the intent. I am fully aware that NOT ALL FEMALES FROM THIS AREA OR COUNTRY ARE LIKE THIS, so if this does not apply to you specifically there is no logical reason to get irate. | |
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| Do you think that American women today, in general, suffer from The Princess Syndrome?
Posted: 2/25/2009 3:47:06 PM | I'm no princess. Certainly more on the other end of the "food chain". I wouldn't get irate because of generalizations.... but it is certainly an interesting thread.
You would think you guys are smack dab in the middle of southern California. You have no idea what "princess syndrome" is until you try to date someone there. (I know, I'm speaking generally too).
I wonder though, about who you're hoping to date.... some attempt to date beyond their scope....just like some women do. I know that there are lots of hot hot hot men way out of my reach....and that's not me feeling bad about myself etc, rather me being realistic....
There are people here who would say I'm stuck up solely because I don't answer an email in what they deem reasonable. 
Just seems odd. | |
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| Do you think that American women today, in general, suffer from The Princess Syndrome?
Posted: 2/25/2009 6:15:26 PM | I personally go for "thick" girls attractive to me but many times not to others.
The gal I mentioned in my previous post approached me and wanted to go out with me, at first I blew her off thinking she was out of my league.
I have seen many women, weighing around 500lbs that I was not hot enough for them they deserved someone hotter.
Confidence in yourself is one thing but that is princess syndrome.
To be fair guys pull it too, and I have seen soem american born and raised women who are beautiful that are kind, considerate and caring women.
These statements are gross generalizations.... but society in the U.S. tells people beauty is everything and if you are beautiful everyone should kiss your butt. Kind of difficult for an attractive woman to grow up here and not get that attitude.
Gonefishing123.....
I was mainly trying to point out that as a general statement that was true (my previous post).
I mentioned her beauty to make the point that being raised in another country, another culture she didn't have the self entitlement attitude that many attractive women in the U.S. seem to have. However I can also see your point at how someone may think I was just trying to stir up a hornets nest. Like anything else, it really has to be a case by case basis.
Guys are becoming that too... "I am 500lbs and have c cup man boobs but deserve a Pam Anderson look a like woman" is becoming more prevalent among men from what I have witnessed too. | |
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| Do you think that American women today, in general, suffer from The Princess Syndrome?
Posted: 2/25/2009 8:50:38 PM |
You would think you guys are smack dab in the middle of southern California.
Hahaha, that is defiantly true. I was stationed down there when I was in the Corps. I will say though, that they are more approachable than the gals up here (even if they blow you off), but then again that isn’t just the women up here either, guys are equally rude. I think it is just something that occurs here on the western side of the mountains and around Seattle. You can walk down the street smile and say “hello” to people who go by and they usually look the other way, or just ignore you. The Californian girls reject you with a smile at least. I think the Beach Boys need to rethink their song
B17nut77...
Didn't mean for you to take it as that I was tearing it apart. I agreed with you I was just trying just to broaden it I guess. The reason I didn't bring up men is because it was about "american princesses", but I will not argue with you there. I think it is more or less an American quality now days to think that no matter what "we" deserve something, even without working for it. I think that fits with what I was trying to say. I can't seem to think of a way to elaborate more without bringing in certain "political" scenareos, which there are other threads for. | |
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| Do you think that American women today, in general, suffer from The Princess Syndrome?
Posted: 2/26/2009 12:06:55 AM | Gonefishing123, no worries.
I did not take it that way at all.
No one owes me anything, everything I have I busted my butt for. I almost lost the most precious thing imaginable in 2004, my life to cancer. I fought to get back to where I am now health wise.
I think to many people are spoiled as kids anymore, to worried that they might hurt someones feelings so I feel many kids grow up feeling like EVERYTHING is owed to them.
When it's an attractive women who has guys hitting on her cause of her looks it just reinforces that attitude.
That is how I see it, may be wrong, may be right. | |
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| Do you think that American women today, in general, suffer from The Princess Syndrome?
Posted: 2/26/2009 8:42:54 PM |
The last thing I read:"How to Get a Rich Man" by Donna Spangle and "How to Get Any Man to Do Anything You Want! "
I will say (if you are a women, instead of some guy just trolling), you do know something about getting men to do what you want. For example, by your profile, you are what is getting discussed, "the American Princess". You throught this topic out there and we bit. Now set your hook and adjust your drag zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz cuz' you succeeded in doing what you wanted.
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| Princesses and Princes, Kings and Queens
Posted: 3/5/2009 7:11:33 PM | Wow, some really good replies to this post. I think, that it's not just American women. Its AMERICAN PEOPLE. We have somehow become a nation of arrogant, self important hypocrytes.
Point 1. For about the last 10 years, neither gender commonly takes responsibility for their behavior, and many people have no respect for others or even themselves these days. Theres no respect on either side, everyone wants everything right now.
Point 2. This is, now more than ever, a nation of instant gratification and massive competition. If something becomes too much of an effort, or if its not the latest and greatest gadget, we just toss it and move on to the next.. The sheeple constantly trying to one-up each other. Never mind about all the still-useful things that went into the landfill because they were no longer 'cool' or the trail of broken hearted bitter people we left in our wake... not our problem. Sad isn't it. but true.
Point 3. Timetable, this once again is about respect and self-importance. Cancelling plans at the last minute, being unwilling to make plans... (this is commonly attempted to be seen in a positive light, they call it being 'open-minded and spontaneous.' I call it rude.
Point 4. Both men and women are high maintenance. SHE wants to complain alot and expects you to listen and buy her a bunch of useless stuff to 'prove' you love her. You're also supposed to play all her weird little drama games without a clue to what they are and to schedule your life around her. HE wants to have sex as soon as possible, to see if youre worth hanging onto (lets face it compatibility there IS important) never mind that he's been with 45 women by the age of 25 and most likely is a carrier of something you dont want to get. Besides, 9 times out of ten if u give it up too soon he decides yer just as bad as him and moves on. If you dont go there with him he's more often than not on to the next one and you are history. So either way you lose if youre looking for something honest and long term, doesnt matter if you're male of female, thats The games people play.
Point 5. "Royalty" are usually are the more attractive people. However, some plain, average-looking people will also exhibit this behavior, if they are clever and crafty, and think they can get away with it. They usually fail with people who have more awareness of this power struggle and game.
So people, take a good look at yourself. Search your soul and figure out what YOU really want.. and dont 'settle' for less. what anyone else has to say about it doesnt really matter, as long as youre honest about what you portray to others, and to yourself. Then go live it. Dont waste time on royalty, unless you're royalty yourself. Maybe ya can all kill each other off with your shallow misery and leave the world more harmonious.
Until our nation decides to GROW UP, we are all going to suffer. Remember what grandma and grandpa used to say: If its not worth working for, its not worth having. Time to go to work. See ya later. | |
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