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| Why is it so hard to talk about Race?When Do we the people Of Canada talk about Race
Posted: 2/26/2009 12:18:41 AM | Why is it so hard to talk about Race?
Because unless it is your own race, no one can truely understand another race differences.
There are stereotypes and generalizations for everything, not just race but also for gender (women can be so ____), age groups (the youth of today are so ____) and roles such as authority or job professions (lawyers always ____).
race and will view other races with lenses colored by experiences in their life, their upbringing and what they have been taught, history, media, etc... You will notice that young children do not see
We all have some element of stereotypes and generalizations fed to us by media, learning or experience - and it is very difficult for some to filter these.
There are a number of comedians of late who are quite funny, and most of their material is about race but non-offending since they tend to joke about their own race.
One guy on YouTube you can see is Russell Peters, from Canada. (he grew up in Toronto suburb) and this city is incredibly diverse, which I love. I think if there is an air of acceptance and eagerness to learn about others, then race need not be such a touchy subject.
Unfortunately, there is a lot of history and prejudice to undo first in some people. Children are the best at this since they don't have negative prejudice until someone teaches them. I hope more people can appreciate diversisty in a healthy way | |
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Posted: 2/26/2009 12:50:26 AM | It shouldn't really be hard at all to talk about race.
Trouble is it seems difficult to talk with people without someone looking for some fault, many times for no apparent reason.
Speaking about a race by naming it is simply a descriptive term of communicating. Unfortunately that has been abused and then subjected to the political correctness police for more abuse.
Most every person uses labels in some form and way to simplify and categorize multiples. This is usually done in accordance to the persons perception, experiences and preference.
Using such label in a general context conversation is merely communicating a specific category of things or people as they are understood and liked or disliked. The feeble mind of inferiority complex lade political correctness watchdogs or those who have little else to say distort by assumption (which is a label as well) that there is a negative connotation attached or intended.
This is what has made communicating matters related to race particularly difficult and even unpleasant, hence we all are somewhat apprehensive using such terminology.
Simple example:
I don't like seafood, but I love smoked fish.
No one will take offense to that label
Make the same statement replacing seafood with a race and smoked fish with a specific group and you are labeled also as racist, ignorant, insensitive, resentful.... | |
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Posted: 2/26/2009 2:49:37 AM | I have to say that you do not appear to be very Caucasian to my eye ??
(There is a thread or two somewhere here in the BC threads about this.)
My theory is there is an azzhole in every crowd and, I prefer to form my opinions based on my own personal experience with an individual. I also think some brown skinned men are uber hawt!!  | |
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| Why is it so hard to talk about Race?When Do we the people Of Canada talk about Race
Posted: 2/26/2009 9:00:26 AM | I like how you think Traveller!
On one hand we have those who come from different places and adhere so fiercely to their old ways they become intolerant of the very organism they just joined.
On the other hand there are those who wish to integrate, so much to belong and yet the rest of the people judge, shunn and even punish for being different.
As a "mixed race" person myself and having lived in different places I have been on both sides of the border, so to speak.
I recognize the need to be accepted into a new culture and at the same time find myself clinging to old traditions. There is a part of me that longs for interracial unity, por peace sake...BUT! never at the expense of blending everyone like watercolors on the palette and ending up with this non-descript brownish grey!
"Most problems do not break down cleanly along racial lines". How poetic and true that is! Depending on where one lives.
Whether is race, income, gender, etc. As long as there is difference there will be intolerance. And the root of that is, in my opinion, ignorance...fear of the unknown.
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| Why is it so hard to talk about Race?When Do we the people Of Canada talk about Race
Posted: 2/26/2009 11:39:22 AM | I don't have a problem talking about race.... that said... I think it makes a lot of other pple uptight...that somehow I am trying to start some political debate or to segregate people.
Funny how my children are in a way colour-blind...in how they see others.
To the extent that they do not really see themselves are bi-racial....they do understand that Mom is brown and Dad is white...but they very much see themselves are white kids.
When my youngest was in kindergarten she told me that the kids would ask her how come her Mom was brown and different...and she said to me... I don't know what they mean. Seems that this 5 year old just never gave any thought to me being anything but her Mom. The colour never was a factor until the other kids brought it up.
now...well the kids can be mean..they are all older...they ask if I am the Nanny...something I get a lot of from adults btw... and one kid even asked if the kids were adopted.... lol. Right... some brown woman adopting 3 white little girls...lol.
I think a lot of taking about race can be sensitive in that it could lead to showing the diffferences between people...as opposed to seeing what we have in common and see everyone on equal ground.
my two cents.
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| Why is it so hard to talk about Race?When Do we the people Of Canada talk about Race
Posted: 2/26/2009 1:54:36 PM | Difficult topic for me..... reason being that I think their are differences in the races and I think that the differences can be noticable and at times a source of frustration. That said, it isn't anything that couldn't be overcome....
Here is something I have always thought.
Children should be forced to travel. Period. They chould have to experience other cultures and customs. Opening their minds to the differences but moreso the similarities we all share as humans...
PLUS, the travelling experience seems to open us up just that little bit more.... | |
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| Why is it so hard to talk about Race?When Do we the people Of Canada talk about Race
Posted: 2/26/2009 2:28:47 PM | Race is a social construct of recent vintage.
It did not exist prior to the Age of Exploration.
In fact, the Crusades were not racist. They were religious, because back then religion == politics i.e. 100 Years War.
Even the wars waged by Indian Emperor Ashoka after he became Buddhist were religious ones without a lot of bloodshed as in the wars he waged as a Hindu.
It's even true today in India. More violence has been wrought in the name of Shiva than in the name of the Buddha these days. | |
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Posted: 2/26/2009 2:29:58 PM | ^^^Not at all Yabbdabbdoo!!!
To engage all the senses, eat the food, breath the air, speak their language, touch people, smell, engage in the customs, play the games and dance with them...(forget the 5star hotels, be with the natives!) Learn first hand how they feel life and family, feel they pulse and rythm....It is a life transforming experience.
I would not have it any other way...I feel so strongly about this I actually sold my house and took all my kids traveling for as long as they could stand it, and returned in 5 months (they are not gipsies like moi). They have not been the same since. Their souls are richer, their minds more open and far more tolerant than the average person. They are not afraid of differences ...YEY!! I have given them a gift no money can buy and no-one will ever take away from them.
Now they are thirsty for more. Mission accomplished
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| Why is it so hard to talk about Race?When Do we the people Of Canada talk about Race
Posted: 2/26/2009 2:56:35 PM | My family came to Canada 100 years ago with 2 bucks in there pocket well My great grandfather with a dream
when I came to Canada I grow with race problems people or white people would beat you up every day just for having a nice tan.
Times have changed for for the better to some level when G.W bush was in we when back in time my family been here over 100 years now We seem so many evil things based on race
A new man in the White House
Few presidents have taken office facing higher expectations than Barack Hussein Obama. For the record millions who will fill Washington to hear his inaugural address Tuesday and the rest of the watching world, he is nothing less than America’s new prince, all the more charmed for his improbable rise and the mess he inherits.
He will speak as the 44th president from the Capitol that slaves helped build, transcending in his own being America’s hoariest, ugliest divide. His name alone, inherited from his African father, shatters tradition. His oratory is expected to surpass all but Abraham Lincoln’s, a comparison he invites with his own allusions to historical symbolism. This is a man who announced his candidacy from the spot in Springfield, Ill. ,where Lincoln gave his “house divided” address.
American when from the klan marching in the 30's down the white house to the year 2009
some of my dreams are coming true there is hope for north American
when a black man can be a Mp in west Vancouver
one Chinese woman is a Mp in Calgary wow we in Canada then can say WOW
I live in Victoria some days my God its like 1947 not the year 2009 dealing with the police as landlord I have to deal with them our police here were and may be still members of the K.K.K. YOU CAN SEE IT IN THERE EYES AND ACTIONS WHICH IS NOTHING.
Vancouver island is living in the past its may be a inland way of thinking
we been on this island over 100 years now i may write a book on it some day not yet.
the Children are our hope for chance, but the evil words and actions of there
grand parents or parents puts us back in time
some of us who have been here for 100 years it does not matter in the end because some white people think you get off the boat last week when i n fact your family been here longer then there family the people of India and chine can be in Canada for 100 years from now yet still get treated as if they get off the boat.
when people get the vote in 1947 some chance came .
we have a long way to go in Canada
cheap talk will not help its a start but action will , ask your next door friend who is a Indian or Chinese come on over for a drink try it out .
We may be at a level in Canada were we past color not today we get there with actions | |
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| Why is it so hard to talk about Race?When Do we the people Of Canada talk about Race
Posted: 2/26/2009 3:12:06 PM |
Race is a social construct of recent vintage.
It did not exist prior to the Age of Exploration.
Strongly disagree.
Perhaps the word "RACE" as used today was forged in recent history but the act of acting racist against anything different has been there since time began.
We may explain it as part of self-preservation and part of eliminating competition and using those deemed inferior or weak to serve. Resentment towards anything htta is deemed threatening or interfering with ones own well being spans across all boundaries, neighbor against neighbor or any other fellow man/woman. The visibility of a race by color or different language behavior just makes such resentment easier.
While this conduct may not be present or at least not dominant in children, specially when exposed to a variety of different races it may emerge in adulthood when different priorities emerge and a greater degree of self is present. Seems we are all more comfortable in familiar background, perhaps a herd instinct of sorts. | |
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Posted: 2/26/2009 4:20:15 PM | The Awakening
A time comes in your life when you finally get it.
When in the midst of all your fears and insanity you
stop dead in your tracks and somewhere the voice
inside your head cries out - ENOUGH!
Enough fighting and crying or struggling to hold on.
And, like a child quieting down after a blind tantrum,
your sobs begin to subside, you shudder once or twice,
you blink back your tears and through a mantle of wet
lashes you begin to look at the world through new
eyes.
This is your awakening. You realize that it's time to
stop hoping and waiting for something to change, or
for happiness, safety and security to come galloping
over the next horizon. You come to terms with the fact
that he is not Prince Charming and you are not
Cinderella and that in the real world there aren't
always fairy tale endings (or beginnings for that
matter), and that any guarantee of "happily ever
after" must begin with you, and in the process a sense
of serenity is born of acceptance.
You awaken to the fact that you are not perfect, and
that not everyone will always love, appreciate or
approve of who or what you are and its OK. (They are
entitled to their own views and opinions.) And you
learn the importance of loving and championing
yourself, and in the process a sense of newly found
confidence is born of self-approval.
You stop ****ing and blaming other people for the
things they did to you (or didn't do for you) and you
learn that the only thing you can really count on is
the unexpected. You learn that not everyone will
always be there for you, and that it's not always
about you. So, you learn to stand on your own and to
take care of yourself and in the process a sense of
safety and security is born of self-reliance.
You stop judging and pointing fingers, and you begin
to accept people as they are, and to over look their
shortcomings and human frailties and in the process a
sense of peace and contentment is born of forgiveness.
You realize that much of the way you view yourself,
and the world around you, is a result of all the
messages and opinions that have been ingrained into
your psyche. And you begin to sift through all the
crap you've been fed about how you should behave, how
you should look, how much you shouldn't weigh, what
you should wear, where you should shop, what you
should drive, how and where you should live, what you
should do for a living, who you should sleep with, who
you should marry, what you should expect of a
marriage, the importance of having and raising
children, or what you owe your parents.
You learn to open up to new worlds and different
points of view. And you begin reassessing and
redefining who you are and what you really stand for.
You learn the difference between wanting and needing,
and you begin to discard the doctrines and values
you've outgrown, or should never have bought into to
begin with, and in the process you learn to go with
your instincts. You learn to distinguish between guilt
and responsibility, and the importance of setting
boundaries and learning to say NO. You learn that the
only cross to bear is the one you choose to carry, and
that martyrs get burned at the stake.
Then you learn about love. Romantic love and familial
love. How to love, how much to give in love, when to
stop giving, and when to walk away. You learn not to
project your needs or your feelings onto a
relationship. You learn that you will not be more
beautiful, more intelligent, more lovable, or
important because of the man or woman on your arm or
the child that bears your name.
You learn to look at relationships as they really are
and not as you would have them be. You stop trying to
control people, situations, and outcomes. You learn
that just as people grow and change, so it is with
love, and you learn that you don't have the right to
demand love on your terms. Just to make you happy.
And, you learn that 'alone' does not mean lonely.
And you look in the mirror and come to terms with the
fact that you will never be a perfect 10
and you stop trying to compete with the image inside
your head and agonizing over how you "stack up." You
also stop working so hard at putting feelings aside,
smoothing things over, and ignoring your needs.
You learn that feelings of entitlement are perfectly
OK. . . and that it is your right to want things that
you want.... and that sometimes it is necessary to make
demands. You come to the realization that you deserve
to be treated with love, kindness, sensitivity, and
respect, and you will not settle for less. And you
allow only the hands of a lover who cherishes you, to
glorify you with his or her touch. and in the process
you internalize the meaning of self-respect.
And you learn that your body really is your temple.
You begin eating a balanced diet, drinking more water,
and taking more time to exercise. You learn that
fatigue diminishes the spirit and can create doubt and
fear, so you take more time to rest. And, just as food
fuels the body, laughter fuels our soul, so you take
more time to laugh and to play.
You learn that, for the most part, in life you get
what you believe you deserve. and that much of life is
a self-fulfilling prophecy. You learn that anything
worth achieving is worth working for, and that wishing
for something to happen is different from working
toward making it happen. More importantly, you learn
that in order to achieve success, you need direction,
discipline, and perseverance.
You also learn that no one can do it all alone and its
OK to risk asking for help. You learn that the only
thing you must truly fear is the great robber baron of
all time: FEAR itself. You learn to step right into
and through your fears, because you know that whatever
happens you can handle it, and to give in to fear is
to give away the right to live life on your terms.
You learn to fight for your life and not to squander
it living under a cloud of impending doom. You learn
that life isn't always fair, you don't always get what
you think you deserve, and that sometimes bad things
happen to unsuspecting, good people. On these
occasions you learn not to personalize things. You
learn that God isn't punishing you or failing to
answer your prayers. It's just life happening. And you
learn to deal with evil in its most primal state - the
ego.
You learn that negative feelings such as anger, envy,
and resentment must be understood and redirected, or
they will suffocate the life out of you and poison the
universe that surrounds you.
You learn to admit when you are wrong and to build
bridges instead of walls. You learn to be thankful and
to take comfort in many of the simple things we take
for granted, things that millions of people upon the
earth can only dream about a full refrigerator, clean
running water, a soft warm bed, a long hot shower.
Slowly, you begin to take responsibility for yourself,
by yourself, and you try to make yourself a promise to
never betray yourself and to never ever settle for
less than your heart's desire. And you hang a wind
chime outside your window so you can listen to the
wind. And you make it a point to keep smiling, to keep
trusting, and to stay open to every wonderful
possibility.
Finally, with courage in your heart and with God by
your side, you take a stand, you take a deep breath,
and you begin to design the life you want to live
as best as you can. By Me Paul (2006) | |
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Posted: 2/27/2009 11:19:50 PM | ^^^Exquisite Gentleman: As lovely as these words are that you posted above, I would recommend that if you are quoting another author, that you include the original author's name instead of adding "By Me Paul (2006)" at the end & plagiarizing someone else's work, in this case, that of the author, Sonny Carroll.
The original & complete version of 'The Awakening' & other inspirational poetry & works by Sonny Carroll can be read at:
http://www.herlifebydesign.com/The_Awakening.html
Copyright © 1999 Sonny Carroll All Rights Reserved
For permission to post, contact sonny@waketolife.com or visit her website, http://www.waketolife.com/pages/10/index.htm | |
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Posted: 2/28/2009 10:12:47 AM | fa que said:
Difficult topic for me..... reason being that I think their are differences in the races and I think that the differences can be noticeable and at times a source of frustration.
The differences you find frustrating are most likely due to differences in culture.
Children should be forced to travel. Period. They should have to experience other cultures and customs. Opening their minds to the differences but more so the similarities we all share as humans...
Why just Kids? And why force them? If all people were encouraged and lauded for taking the time to learn about other cultures instead of denigrating them for being "different". we would have a far more peaceful world. | |
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Posted: 4/23/2009 11:22:57 AM | | its simple people have a hard time talking about races because they dont want to be racist and now a days its easy to be judged a raciest. example chris rock comedian can say my nigga my and what not all day long along with many rappers, but a kid picks that up and it becomes racist easily and all they are doing is copying what they see and hear. another example is the dog the bounty hunter getting in trouble for using my nigga sort of thing, he said this as a type of slang he meant no racist or harmful remarks just thought he was cool with the black community and could use the slang that got blown out of proportion and we as a society wounder why its hard to talk about races. there are many racist things for all society but with out the proper cultural studies, and with conflicting influential music and tv how is a kid or person suppose to know when they are raciest or how to talk about races properly. | |
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Posted: 4/23/2009 1:12:56 PM | I've never had a problem talking about race. I have a real problem though with real racism. By real racism i mean actually hating someone because of their skin or religion not somebody that says " music" or "that guy's a wigger" around their buddies.
I don't like how some people say,"all east Indians smell" or "all Jews are cheap".
Chris Rock calling whites "cracker ass crackers" is ok but Don Imus calling a women's basketball team "nappy headed hoes" is grounds for dismissal.
Double standards and stereotypes are both bad and have no place in our society. | |
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Posted: 11/7/2009 12:15:01 PM | I randomly picked a page number in past forums (p29) and found this page with this forum thread. Could it be I was too exhausted in fighting my own battles that I drew my attention away from this at the time it surfaced? Or was it an assumption of mine that it was about same ole same ole garbage. And in the case of one of the threads – it was. Lol Today, on this cold rainy day some thoughts penetrated the armour I wear.
Re: Armour …..I heard a line recently – it is not the challenge of defending ones position that brings about freedom, it is more about the armour one wears when defending a position….lol
Sometimes, for me to understand, be it a post or thought- I need to look at the circumstances surrounding the thought; the inspiration that provided the basis to surfaced the questions…re this forum post.
The OP is gone! I guess I will not know what motivated the soul to give rise - raw and thought provoking and yes some responses I can label as …..sigh*
Thank you FAS48 for the link- truly a gift to read the source.
Exquisite Gentleman :
Why is it so hard to talk about Race?
I have to agree with Traveller -
Most real problems do not break down cleanly along racial lines. So why try to lump people together in races? It's wrong-headed from the start.
When hear racial slurs, Assumptions, stigmas, stereotyping and labels – I tend to go to an empathetic mode of looking for reasons as to motivations. When not so evident- I go into challenge mode – not about what truths there might be in thought surfaced but more about the insensitivity reflecting more on the ignorance of the individual…more revealing of his survival tactics and likely how he copes.
Some coping skills and tendencies to rationalize thoughts to the end using universal thought, again based on assumptions and beliefs does not give rise to seeing what is right but more what is easy and superficial as the person did not leave room for new thoughts.
A good example for me would be some experiences I’ve had here on forums defending my freedom – free from stereotypes – as First Nations. It wasn’t about the political issue of being First Nation as a race, or what I am born into as a race, or my geographical place as a First Nation within a Nation – it was about how I was defined and what everyone else thought as defining me.
I call ill-will pure laziness and ugly – that is racism.
Here is an intellectual version of what I call into question rationalism in the case some of you missed it like I did:
Most every person uses labels in some form and way to simplify and categorize multiples. This is usually done in accordance to the person’s perception, experiences and preference.
Using such label in a general context conversation is merely communicating a specific category of things or people as they are understood and liked or disliked. The feeble mind of inferiority complex lade political correctness watchdogs or those who have little else to say distort by assumption (which is a label as well) that there is a negative connotation attached or intended.
This is what has made communicating matters related to race particularly difficult and even unpleasant, hence we all are somewhat apprehensive using such terminology.
Simple example:
I don't like seafood, but I love smoked fish. No one will take offense to that label
Make the same statement replacing seafood with a race and smoked fish with a specific group and you are labeled also as racist, ignorant, insensitive, resentful....
Lol…. Actually in the purest sense of funny! I thought this was cute ML lol
Seafood and Smoked fish does not tear at the soul of a people…..but racial slurs do and lets be realistic here - we all know the parameters around slurs! No one can be that stupid here…lol
Rebate my hook:
I believe we in a majority could care less your race, I don't. But i do find it interesting that if a minority race ridicules or puts down caucasians, it's not considered racism.
Whiskey Woman:
Chris Rock calling whites "cracker ass crackers" is ok but Don Imus calling a women's basketball team "nappy headed hoes" is grounds for dismissal.
Double standards and stereotypes are both bad and have no place in our society
Yamaha Warrior:
but a kid picks that up and it becomes racist easily and all they are doing is copying what they see and hear. ….….
there are many racist things for all society but with out the proper cultural studies, and with conflicting influential music and tv how is a kid or person suppose to know when they are raciest or how to talk about races properly.
Intent and context: Its not a given that every utterance will produce a desired reaction. It is Common Sense that every utterance will project with it meaning based on the context. Could be a coping mechanism like rationalizing it away or giving it common justification….
There are times when I say to my friends “you’re so Indian” causing a reaction of bent over laughter. It is our common experience to identify to a behaviour trait – magnifying it and labelling it the context of stereotypes. But, if a non native said this to me…I would definitely take heed and question….lol It is a common experience for most of us (First Nations Stereotypes) that we can make fun of it BUT only in jest (Jest – some truth used as pun)!
FA que:
Children should be forced to travel. Period. They chould have to experience other cultures and customs. Opening their minds to the differences but moreso the similarities we all share as humans...PLUS, the travelling experience seems to open us up just that little bit more....
At 17, on another trip - my grandfather held me in tears, as if to say goodbye, saying under his breathe as a battle lost….”this travelling….will cause you not to return…”
I agree Faque, it allows one to view the world differently - my grandfather forgot that his presence has always guided me…I have always gone home!
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Posted: 11/7/2009 2:09:20 PM | pple who make racist remarks r simply ignorant rednecks or attempting to be funny but lack respect and education.
Sure, I'm a visible minority but when u look around u there are visible minorities everywhere, even Caucasians r facing reverse discrimination.
There are many families in this day and age are a combination of 2 different races hence the political correct term of biracial.
I poke fun at my own ethnic background and do say yes some of the sterertypes pple remark about are true NOT ALL but some are.
Its how u say the racial remark that gets my goat.
i don't find it difiicult to take about the different races or mix with the other races as i'm pretty oblvious to what goes on.
I embrace my ethnice background but my dominant culture is Canadian to which I embrace 110% | |
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Posted: 11/7/2009 3:57:29 PM | Canada is so multicultural, especially Vancouver.
(Caucasians are either the minority or non existent in elementary schools and daycare)
I get asked all the time what kind of asian I am, and I don't see a problem with that at all. I've never been put down or disrespected. I'm chinese, and my bf is east indian.. we are both completely Canadian and are pretty much colour blind when it comes to racial discrimination. | |
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Posted: 11/7/2009 4:14:55 PM | The following was written by JMS for a TV program and to me is appropriate to this subject.
The universe speaks in many languages, but only one voice. It speaks in the language of hope.
It speaks in the language of trust. It speaks in the language of strength and the language of compassion. It is the language of hhe heart and the language of the soul. But always it is the same voice. It is the voice of our ancestors speaking through us the the voice of our inheritors waiting to be orn. The small siull voice that says: "We are one. No matter the blood, no matter the skin, no matter the city , no matter the country. We are one. No matter the pain, no matter the darkness, no matter the loss, no matter the fear. We are one"
Gathered together in a common cause, we begin to realize this singular thruth and this singular rule that we must be kind to one another. Because each voice enriches us and ennobles us and each voice lost diminshes us. We are the voice of the world, the soul of creation, the fire that will light our way to a better future. "We are one."
The above means a lot to me and I know there are others out there who feel the same way. | |
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