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Posted: 3/3/2009 12:45:49 PM | I did a thread search but couldn't find anything connected to what I am asking.
Her Majesty's Prison Lowdham Grange Prison in Nottinghamshire cares for up to 628 male adult prisoners under contract to the National Offender Management Service. They are all serving sentences of more than four years.
Opened in 1998, Lowdham Grange provides education – literacy, numeracy, IT and vocational skills - healthcare, industrial work opportunities, drug and alcohol counselling, and offending behaviour workshops.
Lowdham is one of just two privately run prisons in England and Wales to be awarded the maximum four-star performance status by HM Prison Service.
I have watched tonight BBC Midlands today and they had access to this prison, what I saw made me sick but that was not the idea of showing us this prison.
A man who has been there 3 years, stood there in Henley and other designer clothing.
A man with a nicely done out cell with portraits, a tv, a telephone on the wall.
Other men fixing wheelchaires for £40 a week........ THEY SHOULD BE DOING THIS FOR FREE AS PART OF THEIR CRIME AND PUNISHMENT.
I was litrally frothing at the mouth watching this, did anyone else watch?
The programme was about why prisoners are reoffending? I can tell them the answer.. dont take a frikken expert... its like a recreation camp!
Are we really that oblivious to why criminals reoffend?
I would rather see them all lined up in stripes being ordered to fix wheelchairs as their way of paying back into the community they offended, no PAYED by US to do their 'inside' community service.
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Posted: 3/3/2009 12:49:18 PM | | I totally agree. The thing with this is that it boils down to politics and how this country is screwed the U.S has the right idea on how they treat criminals. | |
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Posted: 3/3/2009 12:52:38 PM | And thats how Whatten in nottinghamshire used to be .
Looks like they just moved it up the road so i can be even nicer for them .
Dont foget your paying for it like me in your taxes . | |
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Posted: 3/3/2009 12:53:56 PM |
Other men fixing wheelchaires for £40 a week........ THEY SHOULD BE DOING THIS FOR FREE AS PART OF THEIR CRIME AND PUNISHMENT.
Too right! what do they need wages for on the inside? Teach them a trade, something to help them gain employment once they're out, but prison time should be hard time, enough to make them fear a return once released. | |
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Posted: 3/3/2009 12:54:07 PM | years ago they had a public open day of the brand new prison here in MK ..Woodhill.
We took our young children there, thinking it would be an interesting afternoon to show them where "naughty people" were sent if they broke the law.
What did they see?
A superbly equipped gym with the latest equipment, far above the standard of gym their hard working and very well paid father could ever hope to be able to afford to join.
Fantastic educational facilities, with dozens of brand new pc's and a wonderful library...far better than any of the schools they attended, including 6th form college years later.
An art department that any artist would have been impressed by....and so it went on....
If I had been looking around a potential school for my children I would have been so impressed. To think it now houses the likes of Ian Huntley is sickening. | |
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Posted: 3/3/2009 12:58:22 PM | Oh dear ...your angry ..i can understand that ..but if you ever made a mistake wouldn't you think that having your freedom taken away from you punishment enough ?
We all have a sadistic streak  to say the least..come on give us the details of the torture techniques you would like to see implicated | |
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Posted: 3/3/2009 1:06:28 PM | We all have a sadistic streak to say the least..come on give us the details of the torture techniques you would like to see implicated
Nothing too nasty, something like they did in Victorian times. Prisoners turn a crank handle for 10,000 revolutions, every so often a prison guard comes in and tightens a screw (hence the name Screws for guards) to make it harder to turn the handle (cue evil laugh and rubbing together of the hands) | |
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Posted: 3/3/2009 1:11:01 PM |
A man who has been there 3 years, stood there in Henley and other designer clothing. In many prisons you can wear your own clothing. Henley is a chavvy make anyway.
A man with a nicely done out cell with portraits, a tv, a telephone on the wall. Lord Wolff commisoned a report after the Strangeways riot, stating that all prison cells should be equipped with a TV. I find it very hard to believe that a prisoner has an outside telephone line in their cell.
No prison I have ever been in, either as a visitor or inmate has had such a thing. | |
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Posted: 3/3/2009 1:17:50 PM | | they should be like the MoD prisons. Lots of excersize, education, community work etc. Minimal luxuries. | |
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Posted: 3/3/2009 1:20:59 PM |
I find it very hard to believe that a prisoner has an outside telephone line in their cell.
I cant say what it was for but it was there, one of them cheap corded on the wall phones..... maybe its an inside phone to call other inmates for a chat
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Posted: 3/3/2009 1:27:23 PM | | this is one of the reasons we have such a high crime rate now..criminals arent scared to get caught..they know at the end of the day they are just gonna spend a few months in a feckin big giant hotel..they live better inside than some of us do out here..this is all the doings of the pc human rights do gooder brigade... | |
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Posted: 3/3/2009 1:33:18 PM | for the benefit of others it's a rule 43 prison!Sounds about right, nonces having it cushy.
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Some places have a buzzer for when they want out their room etc. But they wouldn't have access to the outside world. Yes, I agree. Far too many mod cons etcA boy in my work smashed up his tv last week. The same evening he got a new one. And we wonder why they re-offend. Well, his parents must be soft.
If you smashed your tv up in prison, you would go on basic, without access to a TV. | |
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Posted: 3/3/2009 1:38:05 PM | yes fella it is all about peace n love n its not fkn easy n im the last one to go along the lines of the pc brigade ...unto uthers do unto your self n dont go downt he line of JC you will just bore me
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Posted: 3/3/2009 1:43:27 PM | All prisons need to be basic IMO. No luxurys. You should have to work to earn the privilege to watch TV for a limited time.
There was a similar article in the Sun today showing a prisoners cell full of tons of luxury goods, TV, etc.
Prison is about PUNISHMENT as well as rehabilitation. | |
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Posted: 3/3/2009 1:51:54 PM | Prison is about PUNISHMENT as well as rehabilitation.
well said but education / training is also worthwile otherwise all that comes out is a braindead no hoper like that which went in.
vvvvvvvv sadly not all manage it! | |
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Posted: 3/3/2009 1:55:39 PM | [well said but education / training is also worthwile otherwise all that comes out is a braindead no hoper like that which went in.]
That's the theory behind it. Provide them with a stable environment, show them how they are supposed to live and hope that they can start to function like law abiding citizens. | |
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Posted: 3/3/2009 2:15:57 PM | | There is no way on earth there would be a corded phone in a prison cell. Think of the risk of hanging themselves. No way JOSE!!! | |
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Posted: 3/3/2009 2:27:16 PM | | when i spent a month in the military slammer they took my belt and laces etc. Still figured out a way to hang myself tho. Your mind wanders when youre lay on your bed unable to sleep at 9pm. | |
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Posted: 3/3/2009 2:50:21 PM | in my experience, people who go into prisons come out more broken and damaged than when they went in.
even if they do have all the mod cons, which i really doubt, it doesn't compensate for the awful things that happen in prison. | |
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Posted: 3/3/2009 2:57:37 PM | | Manhi, you wouldn't think that if you were sent to one. Despite some people thinking that they are cushy they are not pleasant places to be in any way, shape or form... | |
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Posted: 3/3/2009 2:57:41 PM | I think it a lot of criminals, lets call them petty criminals, need re habilitating. Why not give them an education they perhaps lacked at in school. Why not let them work on themselves in there, educate themselves, come out maybe better people? Surely theres hope for people? (Im not talking about paedophiles or rapists or murderers here, I dont know the answer for them and dont pretend to)
I must say though I dont see the need for state of the art gym in prison. My brother has been inside a few times, and each time he comes out about two stone heavier looking more like johnny concrete each time. I also must say he never learns his lessons, and will probably spend the rest of his life in and out of prison, but thats another story. | |
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Posted: 3/3/2009 3:02:50 PM | There is no way on earth there would be a corded phone in a prison cell. Think of the risk of hanging themselves. No way JOSE
Well I am not a liar!
Watch it yourself
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/nottinghamshire/4734009.stm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/midlandstoday/latest_stories/ | |
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Posted: 3/3/2009 3:11:59 PM | I am all for first time offenders who haven't been given a chance in life to be given some opportunities in prison to rehabilitate and gain some education or qualifications. Every body needs a break and I'm sure it makes a difference to the lives of some. However a family member of mine was released a month ago on suspended sentence. She was addicted to heroin for the best part of fourteen years and was charged and imprisoned for counts of possession and supply. She followed the drug rehabilitation programme and got "clean" yeah right!
She also took a course in gym instruction and joined hockey and netball teams. She made a great impression.
She was released a month ago and to my knowledge so far has went back to her old scum bag mates, been smoking some weed, thieving and took her revenge by smashing up the cars of those that informed about her. Wow what a great lot of good rehabilitation did for her, don't think she can wait to get back inside! | |
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Posted: 3/3/2009 3:20:55 PM | "i don't think you read what i wrote right".
Maybe I didn't and maybe your right to insist that the UK prisons are of a high standard but what standards they are actually measured against? Are there international standards for this type of thing? I really don't know enough about this area to be honest but I do know that they are not pleasant places to be.
"i think losing your freedom is enough punishment".
I agree with you on this point and especially when you are put in such an environment even with designer clothes etc. I've heard some pretty appalling stories about what can go on. | |
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Posted: 3/3/2009 3:50:38 PM | Yeah your right, they are getting phones. I still say they cant be corded tho. iv done a search and found no pics.
As far as the other poster and your cousin on the heroin, well Heroin we all know is an addictive drug, just like cigarettes are, and Im sure if you asked your cousin she's not happy with her life of taking drugs, smashing up cars etc. Im sure she would rather be doing something else and happy inside, but lifes not black and white. Not all things are cut and dry. She may well turn her life around one day.
Prison does institutionalise people, and a lot of ex offenders go on to re offend, and actually only do so to go back in prison cos it feels safer. . maybe if our prisons were a bit less cushy and more like the turkish prisons, (what was that film from the 70's called it was pretty horriffic!) offenders would be less inclined to go back. | |
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