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| | South Pole Infra Red Telescope, what is it tracking ?Page 1 of 3 (1, 2, 3) | | It is well known by main stream astronomers that something big is perturbing the orbits of Uranus and Neptune but they did not know where to look for it, until now.This planet / brown dwarf star was known of in ancient times and is documented by the Sumarians as a body with a 3,600 year elliptical orbit around the sun.The arrival of this planet / star back into the inner solar system has profound implications for us around 2012. How come NASA has the right telescope, in the right place ,at the right time, are governments keeping this secret for as long as possible ? | |
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Posted: 3/7/2009 6:21:00 AM | I guess we have 2 1/2 years to debate this eh?
I am not an alarmist but there are changes happening in our solar system... mars is warming (south polar cap is melting), jupiter is warming (new red dots have appeared), the sun is changing, and Earth of course is changing too (might or might not be our fault).
One thing though... we'd be able to see this new planet if not now than very soon. | |
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Posted: 3/7/2009 6:37:38 AM | ^^^^
As for the 'right' telescope, at the 'right' place, at the 'right' time... check your logic... there might be other reasons why it is a good idea to have that telescope there. Although you might be right. | |
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Posted: 3/7/2009 7:01:22 AM | | I know xzanthuis an infra red telescope is extremely useful, but a brown dwarf star can only be seen well in infra red.What would we expect though from an inbound planet ?.The gravitational bow wave would start to dislodge smaller asteroids from thier orbits and send them spiralling inwards,the planets would start to have increased sesmic activity and unpredicable climate changes.To survive the worst case from this passage we would most probably need underground chambers, and certainly seed vaults to try and rebuild ecosystems. | |
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Posted: 3/7/2009 7:23:43 AM | There are ample eyes in the sky that take in all fields of view, so I never like to fuel the myth/legend with the omission of that fact ..peculiar orbit or not.
I believe the clarity of air has something to do with it.
Its there to observe all-sorts, and the binary system theory has never been ruled out....and is actually back in fashion these days...and I am certainly > 50% believer.
Other than that I have said much on similar type threads re planet x and brown dwarf (systems)
From a gravitational tug point of view our current system has never been adequately explained..as of yet.
Tooters of to hail the coming of the lizard king
edit hei, we already have a seed vault in norway.
gravitation perturbations are applicable to even the ort cloud (and that other one I always forget the name off)..there is no cyclic evidence to say we are bombarded with ELE every few thousands years...perhaps one for every 100 million years.,,,
The gravity or bow (shock) wave you speak of would make negligible difference to the planet earth On the presumption the hypothetical system dosnt pass very close. | |
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| South Pole Infra Red Telescope, what is it tracking ?
Posted: 3/7/2009 9:02:09 AM | Also, some students of the I-Ching and Nostradamus have "decided" that 2012 is the end of things or a beginning.
Interestingly enough, they came to their 2012 ideas after observing that peculiarity of the Mayan calendar.
Tell you what, I'll concede that perhaps it's really Santa Claus. I was playing with my "Magic 8-ball" and it sent me a mental image of Claus being catapaulted away from the Earth by a honked off Easter Bunny. So, this is likely him trying to return to Earth. | |
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Posted: 3/7/2009 9:07:21 AM | ^^^^
Maybe so but I am still buying land in the country and learning basic survival techniques... but I've always wanted to do that anyways and I just happen to find myself in the perfect position... working with native people, with the cash to invest...  | |
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| South Pole Infra Red Telescope, what is it tracking ?
Posted: 3/7/2009 10:23:38 AM | It isn't just starvation. It's everything from water consumption to pollution of the atmosphere.
As for the U.S., we do squander resources, but it's the "developing" countries like India and China with their HUGE populations that are leaving the U.S. far behind when it comes to waste. Their resource consumption is increasing exponentially each year, while use in the U.S. is actually shrinking.
Then of course are the large populations in the third world. My concern there is as a "disease garden". New variations of nasty things are developing in those populations as we speak.
Also, you have to wonder about the CO2 exhalation from almost 7 billion people.
Funny, the environmentalists seem to overlook that particular in their musings and calculations.
No, for me, "end-of-the-world" will likely be from a worldly source like overpopulation. | |
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Posted: 3/7/2009 1:17:20 PM | I have never heard of this. I am not an astronomer.
Why would it need to be either above antarctic or arctic? Presumably any geostationary position will do.
Why infrared ? Surely any star/planet gives of radio waves anyway.
Even if it cant be seen surely a body moving through space can be observed as it passes in front of other stars.
If the Sumeriand knew of it did they give it a name?
Why did they not track it because they were obviously experts for their time.
Do you think evangelical Christians know about this yet?
The term Gravitational Bow Wave is exceptionally interesting.
What would the effect be on outer planets assuming they were at 0 degrees away from its closest point.
What would be the effect on asteroid belt and could this lead to a bombardment of meteorites a few yesrs later.
Would a dark planet/dark star have enough IR energy to "George Foreman" the planet Earth?
Will the French be toast?
Will the Italians be Pizza Oven baked?
Will Turkey get Donnerkebabed?
Will India be Pittaed?
Will the Mexicans be Fajitaed?
Will the Australians be on the Barbi?
Will the Irish be stewed?
Are we all going to FRIE?
Was George Foreman a prophet?
Was the George Foreman Grilling Machine a sign? | |
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Posted: 3/7/2009 2:13:30 PM | | November of this year, a satellite is being launched which will be able to see this supposed dwarf, if it exists. The reason to put infra-red telescopes in cold places, is that infra-red is basically heat. Putting an optical telescope somewhere sunny is not a good idea either, which is why they do most of their work at night. The permanent shadows at the south Pole of the Moon will be quite nice for infra-red telescopy. | |
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Posted: 3/7/2009 3:28:44 PM | It is well known by main stream astronomers that something big is perturbing the orbits of Uranus and Neptune but they did not know where to look for it, until now
Please substantiate this. Looks more like an appeal to authority fallacy, and lacking any such authority, a lie. Neptune was discovered because it disturbs the orbit of Uranus. Likewise, Pluto's discovery is at least partly due to its effect on Neptune.
This planet / brown dwarf star
Doesn't exist. This would be an object more massive than Jupiter. Pluto is much smaller than Earth, and was discovered long ago because of its gravitational influences. A massive object like this would leave no shortage of evidence of its presence. The evidence is missing, so's the object.
was known of in ancient times and is documented by the Sumarians as a body with a 3,600 year elliptical orbit around the sun.
Please substantiate. Don't cite Sitchin or his disciples - they do not qualify as authorities. Sitchin deliberately mistranslates Sumerian to spin a story for which there is no actual evidence. On top of the basic flaw of bad translation are a stack of logical fallacies and conclusions or assumptions which are not supported by any physical evidence.
The arrival of this planet / star back into the inner solar system has profound implications for us around 2012
This is the strongest argument AGAINST such an object existing. Gravity doesn't discriminate, and with such a short year for this object, there would be NO planets with stable orbits, and likely no life on this planet. Not to mention that such an odd orbit, and a reputed approach only 3 years away, the effects would be easily observed already, and the object itself would be visible to the naked eye.
Try drawing a map of the solar system, and try to make it more or less to scale [tough, given the dimensions]. Include this fanciful object and all the outer planets. Assuming all objects have been in orbit for more or less billions of years, we can assume they travel at more or less the same speed, and we can consider time to be equal to distance [3600 years x Xkph x 24h/d x 365.25 d/y = km]. Obviously, the orbit will have a circumference of 3600 years, and Earth will have an orbit of one year. The inner solar system is everything closer than Jupiter, which means this object will be no further out than Jupiter in three years. Jupiter has an orbit of 12 years. If this object is set to arrive in three years, that means that *right now*, it should be no farther away than Jupiter's orbit plus 3x Earth's orbital circumference. I'm no astronomer, but this should be reasonably close to accurate for the purpose of this thread. I'll let someone else actually do the math, and then explain why this object exists, yet is invisible and has no gravitational influence.
How come NASA has the right telescope, in the right place ,at the right time,
As explained above: cold air, prolonged darkness, little pollution, and a relatively stationary polar position. Antarctica is also uniquely isolated - by being a polar island continent, both weather patterns and ocean currents are essentially circular, and shut off outside influences. That limits penetration by pollutants, and prevents warming influences. As for "right place" and "right time", that only applies if you can actually demonstrate BOTH that mythical object is on that trajectory, AND it will be there in three years. The evidence is first that time frame is wrong, and second, that the time frame is irrelevant because the object doesn't even exist.
On other matters...
Planets more distant from the sun do not follow our seasons. Spring is just begining on Jupiter, and summer will not end there until 2015. Mars has a year and seasons roughly twice as long as Earth's. Spring began in December 2007, and fall began in December 2008. Mars also experiences global dust storms which significantly influence temperatures. Coincidences of warming on other planets are largely that - coincidence. Activity of the sun is another obvious factor. There is no evidence of another mythical planet having an influence on this, nor is there reason to expect it [ie., no cause for heating].
Here's a handy chart of planetary seasons:
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2000/interplanetaryseasons.html
and another just for Mars:
http://www.planetary.org/explore/topics/mars/calendar.html
Some fairly simple and simplistic math:
where R=Earth's average orbital radius, which is 1 astronomical unit
and J=Jupiter's average orbital radius
and, just for the heck of it, we'll call the mythical object's present distance from the sun "N"
R=1au
J=5au
1 year = 2piR =~6au
N=3years+J=18au+5au=23au
That's roughly where this object should be right now.
Saturn's distance...9au, Uranus is 19au, Neptune is 30au. So it's bigger than Jupiter and only a bit further than Uranus [which is smaller than Jupiter].
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Posted: 3/7/2009 5:24:43 PM | Frog O, you can use my favourite telescope spot anytime you want. You rock! But I would correct you on one minor point: the so-called "perturbations" that pointed to the existence of a ninth planet beyond Neptune were actually illusory. It's one of the great coincidences in science that Pluto was even discovered in the location that Planet X was supposed to be.
When they did the math again, based on modern understanding of the masses and motions of Neptune and Uranus, the "inconsistencies" in the math disappeared.
Seriously, though...the fact that anyone can miss the point that something the size of Jupiter in the outer solar system would have been "missed" is stunning in its complete ignorance of the science of astronomy.
There's plenty of reasons to study the sky in infrared that have nothing to do with "Planet X" or "Nibiru" or whatever you want to call it. | |
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Posted: 3/8/2009 1:55:41 AM | | Just to clarify, any object with an elliptical orbit travels much faster at its closest approach to the sun, its the sling shot effect and its speed would be much greater than any other planet so these calculations are way off.A brown dwarf companion star to the sun is not a far fetched idea at all as most stars we see are also binary, very difficult to detect also, especially if it is out of the plane of the elliptic and approaching from the deep south.Ancient astronomers knew a lot about our solar system, this is a fact, but it is brushed under the carpet as modern scientists do not want to deal with it.As far as NASA is concerned dont hold your breath when it comes to detection, only a few days ago a mass of rock flew past the Earth, very close, and all they said was ' there it goes ' ! | |
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Posted: 3/8/2009 8:58:52 AM | The searching I did yesterday vis a vis this mythical dwarf had it being outside the outer Oort Cloud, about 25% of the distance to Proxima Centuri. This infra-red telescopy mission going up in November should be able to see a brown dwarf that close. If it is in a stable orbit out there, I can't see it suddenly changing in the next 3 years to do something nasty. Besides, it would probably still take a while to get here.
WRT the trivia comment about where my nickname comes from.
In terms of computer languages, FORTRAN will always be the best language for number crunching. It won't be FORTRAN-IV, but it will be FORTRAN of some kind. However, it is not a machine language, or at least not any more so than C. | |
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Posted: 3/8/2009 9:52:33 AM |
Please substantiate this.
Still waiting. Can we assume it won't be forthcoming?
Just to clarify, any object with an elliptical orbit travels much faster at its closest approach to the sun, its the sling shot effect and its speed would be much greater than any other planet so these calculations are way off
This is true. Yet we have no problem locating and identifying little balls of ice which follow such trajectories. It's not going to park somewhere and then come rushing in - for 3600 years, it must be moving. Pluto has a "year" of 248 years. Sedna has a year of 10500 years. These are tiny, and we haven't had much problem finding them. Your mass is larger than Jupiter has no gravitational influences and a year much shorter than Sedna. Why is it invisible and undetectable?
I also don't see any more accurate calculations, nor do I see an explanation of where all this invisible mass is.
A brown dwarf companion star to the sun is not a far fetched idea at all as most stars we see are also binary, very difficult to detect also, especially if it is out of the plane of the elliptic and approaching from the deep south.
It's a far-fetched idea for this solar system. The mass and orbital path demand that it be observable. The mass isn't detectable, and the past influences of this mass are absent.
Ancient astronomers knew a lot about our solar system, this is a fact, but it is brushed under the carpet as modern scientists do not want to deal with it
They knew about the visible planets. Beyond those [literally]...
Sitchin. Op cit. Pura merde.
As far as NASA is concerned dont hold your breath when it comes to detection, only a few days ago a mass of rock flew past the Earth, very close, and all they said was ' there it goes ' !
Apples and bricks. A rock is a far cry from failed star. There are many asteroids, and most of them are quite small. Detecting and identifying them by their gravitational effects is highly unlikely. Without significant water, atmosphere, or internal heat, they also won't be readily detectable by heat or light. Part of the reason for NEAR is the fact that these objects are hard to find and are a direct threat. Your mythical object has internal heat, albedo, and...um..."astronomical" mass.
We'd love to see your evidence, but I'm sure it won't be coming, since none of these claims originate from any scientific source.
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Posted: 3/8/2009 11:54:37 AM | | The ancient astronomers had detailed knowledge of all the planets visible or not, they knew the colours, orientation and moons of planets rediscovered by our modern pioneer astronomers.The evidence, is notably from ancient Sumarian text.From a scientific interest it would surely warrant unbias investigation as to the other things they tell us, these civilizations after all ,when it came to civil engineering, were clearly advanced. | |
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